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RE: CUSA appears to be expanding again in the near future....
(07-28-2012 07:18 AM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  No more Texas-based schools. We don't want to become a little Southwest Conference within CUSA. We also do not want to water down our Lone Star State/CUSA product and give any semblance of a recruiting edge to any school presently not in CUSA or those on the way. I don't think Brit Banowsky has Texas in mind for any potential expansion whatsoever. Most from CUSA have already expressed on this board this>>>>>>>>>NO MORE SCHOOLS FROM TEXAS. Most all of us from Texas concur.
I agree with no more schools from Texas. But no more schools from the deep south either (except maybe a Florida school). It's a highly saturated area already.

As for the BE, C-USA's awfully spread out too. the BE will get a better TV deal than us. So, it's hard to understand how C-USA can survive and the BE fail...any greater travel costs they have will be offset by TV deal.
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(07-27-2012 11:38 PM)Tulsafanzz Wrote:  Now that MWC Commissioner Craig Thompson says the alliance is dead & talks of MWC expansion in to Texas, it may be time for Banowsky & CUSA to be proactive.

IF we think we still need to expand, we should at least consider MWC teams. I would put UNM, CSU, Air Force & Wyoming as the top 4 expansion targets. 18 teams, w/ 2 9 team divisions :

CUSA WEST

UTEP
UTSA
UNT
Rice
Tulsa
UNM
CSU
Air Force
Wyoming

CUSA EAST

ECU
Charlotte
ODU
FIU
Marshall
UAB
USM
Tulane
La Tech

I'd still prefer no more expansion, but the above set up would be the only expansion option that looks appealing. However, the front range schools would probably say "no thanks" to this.

THIS. You could also Fresno and SJSU to the West, move Tulsa or Rice East to have two 10-team divisions.

We need to think out of the box and this will be the way to go.
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(07-28-2012 03:18 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  
(07-28-2012 03:11 AM)Saint Greg Wrote:  
(07-28-2012 01:42 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  We should have just merged when both conferences had 8 teams and which ever conference was going to receive less in exit fees and ncaa credits, that conference would merge into the other and just viewed as a sunk cost.

That's no good!

Actually, I don't think 16 is a good number for the purpose of scheduling, 18 makes more sense, so we would still have 2 spots open.

And you would've gone for the markets.
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(07-28-2012 09:59 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(07-28-2012 05:45 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(07-27-2012 11:45 PM)GCEagle Wrote:  Might as well add a bunch of garbage teams, this conference could not possibly get any worse.

You have two options.....pursue membership in the WAC/MAC/Sunbelt....or build this league right like CUSA is doing. Adding schools that make sense for the long term of CUSA. I personally like the vision and direction this league is going for the long-term over the aforementioned conferences including the MWC and the Big East. Some of you obviously can see and understand these moves while others cant. I'm 100% on board with what CUSA is going to accomplish. I think Banowsky has out smarted Thompson and CUSA will come out way better in the end.

Well I'll just go ahead and say the truth, I don't want ECU to be here long term. If we are it means we have become completely irrelevant. I don't care about the long term potential of any of these schools. As long as every school here would take a Big East invite we are essentially all screwed. They'll keep getting raided, keep taking whatever larger market teams we groom for them, and the rest of us will have to keep picking up the pieces over and over again. I'm tired of it.

This.

I've said it before, my disgust with this conference is approaching the point where just giving up and playing FCS would be cool with me.
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(07-28-2012 10:03 AM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  I agree with no more schools from Texas. But no more schools from the deep south either (except maybe a Florida school). It's a highly saturated area already.

As for the BE, C-USA's awfully spread out too. the BE will get a better TV deal than us. So, it's hard to understand how C-USA can survive and the BE fail...any greater travel costs they have will be offset by TV deal.

I don't think many here expect the BE to fail. Many do believe the New Big East isn't considered to be among the power conferences like many BE posters would like to think they are. And many here don't believe their TV contract will be lucrative like BE posters claim it will be. It will be decent and better than CUSA no doubt about that.

But understand the basketball schools and Boise is what legitimizing the BE conference right now. You take away the basketball schools and the BE conference maybe slightly better than CUSA. UConn, Rutgers, or even UL leaves the BE.......well you see my point.
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(07-28-2012 11:00 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  I don't think many here expect the BE to fail. Many do believe the New Big East isn't considered to be among the power conferences like many BE posters would like to think they are. And many here don't believe their TV contract will be lucrative like BE posters claim it will be. It will be decent and better than CUSA no doubt about that.
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Those are good, level headed comments.

Hopefully the exit fee being exactly what they were supposed to be and between the high and low extremes that were discussed here will level out expectations for everyone. Like almost everything in sports/life, reality is mostly in the middle of extremes.

I'll be pleased when football season starts and we can talk about real action and not have on in four threads diverted one to a BE/CUSA argument....and I'm not referring to you, Scorpio.
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(07-28-2012 11:00 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(07-28-2012 10:03 AM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  I agree with no more schools from Texas. But no more schools from the deep south either (except maybe a Florida school). It's a highly saturated area already.

As for the BE, C-USA's awfully spread out too. the BE will get a better TV deal than us. So, it's hard to understand how C-USA can survive and the BE fail...any greater travel costs they have will be offset by TV deal.

I don't think many here expect the BE to fail. Many do believe the New Big East isn't considered to be among the power conferences like many BE posters would like to think they are. And many here don't believe their TV contract will be lucrative like BE posters claim it will be. It will be decent and better than CUSA no doubt about that.

But understand the basketball schools and Boise is what legitimizing the BE conference right now. You take away the basketball schools and the BE conference maybe slightly better than CUSA. UConn, Rutgers, or even UL leaves the BE.......well you see my point.
I agree with you. It's no power league, Boise or not.
But it can survive and is ahead of C-USA.
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(07-28-2012 10:03 AM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  
(07-28-2012 07:18 AM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  No more Texas-based schools. We don't want to become a little Southwest Conference within CUSA. We also do not want to water down our Lone Star State/CUSA product and give any semblance of a recruiting edge to any school presently not in CUSA or those on the way. I don't think Brit Banowsky has Texas in mind for any potential expansion whatsoever. Most from CUSA have already expressed on this board this>>>>>>>>>NO MORE SCHOOLS FROM TEXAS. Most all of us from Texas concur.
I agree with no more schools from Texas. But no more schools from the deep south either (except maybe a Florida school). It's a highly saturated area already.

As for the BE, C-USA's awfully spread out too. the BE will get a better TV deal than us. So, it's hard to understand how C-USA can survive and the BE fail...any greater travel costs they have will be offset by TV deal.

Yep, from Ohio to New Mexico (Huntington and El Paso are right there, I'm just saying). It's not as bad as having a team in the four corners of the continental US but still very large.
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(07-28-2012 12:28 AM)Kronke Wrote:  
(07-27-2012 10:14 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(07-27-2012 09:48 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  I feel sorry for East Carolina, Tulsa and Southern Miss.

Stop hijacking the thread.

Besides, talk about feeling sorry for somebody. I feel sorry for Houston. You guys will get crushed consistently in BE basketball with no rivalries in the league other than SMU. Have fun with that....lol

SMU + Boise, Louisville, Cincy, etc. will do just fine. Thanks.

Have fun playing a bunch of FCS startups, that are now considered your equals :)

Have fun when Louie, Cincy, UConn, Rutgers and the BE3.1 Basketball schools leave you in the dust again. The only way it doesn't happen is if the NCAA puts a freeze on all school movement.
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(07-27-2012 09:48 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  I feel sorry for East Carolina, Tulsa and Southern Miss.

I feel sorry for what happened to UofH. It felt like I was in a foreign country for the championship game. Lots of girls wearing burkas and a bunch of -------.
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We shouldn't take anymore teams that don't have on campus stadiums. Watch what happens when UTSA has 3 losing seasons in a row. They won't have 5k people at their games.
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The other thing about the BE is that it's not going to help anyone's attendance. OH Boise, as a top 10 program, will draw a few more fans. But unless you have some historical relationship with a specific BE team, they aren't going to bring out casual fans, unlike, say, a SEC or Big 12 team always will.
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(07-28-2012 10:03 AM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  
(07-28-2012 07:18 AM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  No more Texas-based schools. We don't want to become a little Southwest Conference within CUSA. We also do not want to water down our Lone Star State/CUSA product and give any semblance of a recruiting edge to any school presently not in CUSA or those on the way. I don't think Brit Banowsky has Texas in mind for any potential expansion whatsoever. Most from CUSA have already expressed on this board this>>>>>>>>>NO MORE SCHOOLS FROM TEXAS. Most all of us from Texas concur.
I agree with no more schools from Texas. But no more schools from the deep south either (except maybe a Florida school). It's a highly saturated area already.

As for the BE, C-USA's awfully spread out too. the BE will get a better TV deal than us. So, it's hard to understand how C-USA can survive and the BE fail...any greater travel costs they have will be offset by TV deal.

I will believe that the Big East gets a "Big 5 NCAA FBS conference" type TV revenue contract when I see it in black and white print. Sure they'll get more than CUSA but will it be significantly more plus they still have all those additional B.E. "basketball only" schools to share that TV revenue with. Maybe it works out for them now, but there will be future TV revenue contracts to negotiate and it wlll be at that time I believe all the Big East newcomers will see if the initial move will have been worth it all for their respective schools.

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(07-28-2012 12:19 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  We shouldn't take anymore teams that don't have on campus stadiums. Watch what happens when UTSA has 3 losing seasons in a row. They won't have 5k people at their games.

People don't understand the concept of a novelty wearing off. And look how tough their schedules will be in the coming seasons. They would have been much more successful taking a page out of the Bill Snyder-Greg Schiano-Boise State playbook of playing maybe one tough OOC game a year at the most and racking up easy wins (or at least winnable games) elsewhere to build your brand and pad your record.

Look at Boise as opposed to Fresno or ECU. Boise usually has a one game season which they have used to turn themselves into a power because people usually just look at their record while ECU and Fresno have 4-5 losses a year and are just looked at like blah minor conference teams by the average fan (not necesarily me).
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(07-28-2012 12:19 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  We shouldn't take anymore teams that don't have on campus stadiums. Watch what happens when UTSA has 3 losing seasons in a row. They won't have 5k people at their games.

They'll just do more chicken give aways. UTSA is in for a shock soon, they may get 40 or 50 dropped on them a few times. We'll see if anyone cares about them then.
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Wouldn't be surprised if New Mexico State and Idaho want to try to join C-USA.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...xico-state
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(07-28-2012 12:27 PM)Caltex2 Wrote:  Look at Boise as opposed to Fresno or ECU. Boise usually has a one game season which they have used to turn themselves into a power because people usually just look at their record while ECU and Fresno have 4-5 losses a year and are just looked at like blah minor conference teams by the average fan (not necesarily me).

ONe thing that Boise did that Fresno could not do the last decade was bring home the WAC titles. Now perhaps that's because Fresno played such a killer ooc schedule that it wore them out for the WAC.
C-USA teams have done that a time or two. That's why we never have had a BCS buster: over-scheduling OOC. Houston did it right last year (although it was actually a little too light). La Tech has a good one this year (although it's too road-heavy and I'm not sure they quite have the team to win all those games, but we'll see).

I'll second the thoughts up there. Our best draws in C-USA have come from USM and then Memphis. That's because we've played them every year since the 1970s, until the recent version of C-USA. (Rice and TCU were good too). I'm not counting visiting fans....just locals. No Cincinnati, Louisville etc. When we played as an independent, our best draw was Georgia Tech (except for LSU) for some reason - well, because we had played them every year in the SEC.
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(07-28-2012 12:15 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  
(07-27-2012 09:48 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  I feel sorry for East Carolina, Tulsa and Southern Miss.

I feel sorry for what happened to UofH. It felt like I was in a foreign country for the championship game. Lots of girls wearing burkas and a bunch of -------.

Now I know where the band gets it from

edit: how come the word illegals was dashed out in my reply, but still remains in this tool's original post?
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Exactly, until you have the speed and depth to do so, you shouldn't be playing three Cartel teams a year. Houston in 2009 was not the same team, especially defensively, after the Texas Tech game because the Oklahoma State and Tech games took a toll on our limited depth which is why we got pushed around the field the rest of the season. Houston's depth by comparison this year is outstanding and this is also what I'm trying to get across to people making predictions that UH will falter greatly just because Keenum, Carrier and Edwards are gone (though those do hurt significantly).

Anyways, smart scheduling for non-Cartel teams should be two games against them (hopefully one at home), an FCS/easy win game plus a lower tier Cartel team or solid mid-major. Look at Boise's schedule this year as a close example (BYU might as well be in the Cartel).
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(07-28-2012 12:34 PM)Proud El Pasoan Wrote:  Wouldn't be surprised if New Mexico State and Idaho want to try to join C-USA.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...xico-state

They may want to, but I highly doubt anyone wants them. Especially not Idaho, they need to just bite the bullet and head to FCS or DII.
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