(07-26-2012 04:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Niner, take off your damned tin foil hat for a moment and apply some logic to the situation for a change, huh?

So you still haven't read the story I see.

Quote:There is a difference between what the president is going to do during his full day (unscheduled) and what he is going to release to the public (scheduled). The SS knows exactly where he is going to be and when and it's probably planned out to the minute from the time the sun comes up.

Yes. For all pre-released events that is most certainly the case.

Quote:When they announce where he is going to be in advance (scheduled), everyone then knows it. Then extra security measures need to be put in place, background checks need done on who he may be meeting with, locations need extra scouting and security sweeps, etc.

Again, use some common sense for a change. Geez!

Once again, you haven't read the article. This was not an announced visit. It was not previously scheduled. From the article you haven't read.

Quote:On Tuesday morning, all three met with a staffer and were driven to the restaurant and arrived shortly before Obama. The three said the restaurant workers and other patrons received notice only a few minutes before the president arrived.

This was not scheduled Tom. Hence the term, unscheduled. If it had been scheduled and announced of course it would have been planned out well in advance. But it wasn't on the schedule. It was told to the press as an unscheduled stop. The security required in such a situation is far less because the chances someone just happens to be at that place with a gun ready to shoot the president are pretty remote. But we now know it was, indeed, planned in spite of being billed as unscheduled.

From the story about when he stopped at the produce stand:

Quote:HANOVER COUNTY, Va. (WTVR) – Imagine if the leader of the free world stopped by your business practically unannounced. A Hanover produce stand experienced just that around 11:00 a.m. on Saturday.

President Barack Obama took an unscheduled stop at Berry’s Produce in Hanover to do a little shopping and shake a few hands.

“They showed up about 30 minutes beforehand and told us he was on the way here to the produce stand,” said Sandra Berry, Co-Owner of Berry’s Produce. “I was in disbelief that he was going to come here of all places.”

I'm not sure why this concept is so difficult for you to grasp unless you are just being deliberately stubborn cause you realize you're wrong. I can post article after article of numerous unscheduled stops the president has made over the years, but you could find them just as easily by googling them. You are wrong to say it never happens because it happens all the damn time.

Niner, why are you hanging you hat on story titles local journalists, presidential press pool reporters and comments unknowing local shop owners are using? They are the ones using the term "unscheduled".

And even Rebel and SMN agree with me that this was totally planned out ahead of time. Just look at their quotes. Face it, you are wrong, this was planned by Obama and his campaign staff and the veterans were planted there. Just because they didn't announce it to the restaurant and the pool reporters (probably so they would report it as unscheduled) doesn't make it something that just happened with 30 minutes notice!

From Rebel:

Quote:Yeah, 3 people just "wander in", ....with the President of the United States there, ....and the Secret Service just let'em wander on in.....3 people they "supposedly" knew nothing about.....


Give me a fuken break.

From Smn:

Quote:There is no such thing as an unscheduled, unplanned, impromptu, surprise anything with this or any other president. The SS would have collective heart failures and there's just too much chance it could blow up in the president's face, especially this president.

In fact, even in your quote it says that the three veterans said the restaurant owners and patrons only got a 30-minute notice. They never said they had no advance notice did they???

Quote:The three said the restaurant workers and other patrons received notice only a few minutes before the president arrived.

It's really quite brilliant media manipulation by the Obama team. And it's hardly something new to a sitting President. It's just one of the advantages he has as the incumbent. And so sorry for you, but it's supposed to taste like a **** taco!

Wow, just, wow.

So just so we're clear you are claiming that the dozens upon dozens of press reports that are out there that site as unscheduled some of the president's stops are all wrong. But that you and couple of other posters on a message board really know what's going on.

Gotcha. You go with that.

It's called common sense Niner. The leader of the free world isn't going to tell you where he will be 24/7/365 because YOU are on a need to know basis ONLY.

(07-27-2012 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It's called common sense Niner. The leader of the free world isn't going to tell you where he will be 24/7/365 because YOU are on a need to know basis ONLY.

Nice straw man.

Hey I'll go with your narrative though. The press is incompetent and the adminstration is full of smoke n mirrors. Either way I'm good.

Call it what you will Niner, but you know damned well that the president does not announce his every movement. None of them do and none of them ever will or ever should, regardless of party.

And I totally agreed previously in this thread that this was a totally staged event. But you seem to think that he is the first president to ever do such a thing. It just gets tiresome seeing THAT same old 'straw man'

(07-26-2012 03:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-26-2012 03:54 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-26-2012 03:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Newsflash numbnuts, the President never makes unscheduled stops like this in public places. It was a 'surprise' to the customers as you don't normally tell the whole world where the president will be...ya know...for security purposes?

Fools.

And sorry...but the president gets to stage photo-ops. He's the president. Just don't do them when flying over a natural disaster

Yeah, 3 people just "wander in", ....with the President of the United States there, ....and the Secret Service just let'em wander on in.....3 people they "supposedly" knew nothing about.....


Give me a fuken break.

And Rebel unknowingly proves my point FOR THE WIN!!!!!

Thanks

No, Einstein, I didn't prove anything you said. This was all staged. It wasn't just an unscheduled stop. THAT is apparent. If it were an unscheduled stop, NO one would have just been allowed to "wander in".

(07-27-2012 01:44 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-26-2012 03:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-26-2012 03:54 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-26-2012 03:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Newsflash numbnuts, the President never makes unscheduled stops like this in public places. It was a 'surprise' to the customers as you don't normally tell the whole world where the president will be...ya know...for security purposes?

Fools.

And sorry...but the president gets to stage photo-ops. He's the president. Just don't do them when flying over a natural disaster

Yeah, 3 people just "wander in", ....with the President of the United States there, ....and the Secret Service just let'em wander on in.....3 people they "supposedly" knew nothing about.....


Give me a fuken break.

And Rebel unknowingly proves my point FOR THE WIN!!!!!

Thanks

No, Einstein, I didn't prove anything you said. This was all staged. It wasn't just an unscheduled stop. THAT is apparent. If it were an unscheduled stop, NO one would have just been allowed to "wander in".

Ummmm...Rebel...that's exactly what I have said the entire thread. That this was totally planned and was not an unscheduled stop. The only people besides Niner who feel otherwise is the people in the restaurant and the press pool because to them, they didn't know it was going to happen!

(07-27-2012 12:39 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Call it what you will Niner, but you know damned well that the president does not announce his every movement. None of them do and none of them ever will or ever should, regardless of party.

I never said he did. And the fact that he doesn't in no way disproves the point I was making. In fact it merely strengthens it.

Quote:And I totally agreed previously in this thread that this was a totally staged event. But you seem to think that he is the first president to ever do such a thing. It just gets tiresome seeing THAT same old 'straw man'

Please provide a shred of evidence to back up this claim. You won't find it, cause I never claimed it. Interesting you're tired of seeing that which you've never seen.

Yes photo ops are staged. It's part of the game. The difference is that they tried to make it seem as though this was just a chance encounter at an unscheduled stop when it wasn't. It's one thing to stage it, it's another to pretend it wasn't staged.

(07-27-2012 01:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-27-2012 01:44 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-26-2012 03:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-26-2012 03:54 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-26-2012 03:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Newsflash numbnuts, the President never makes unscheduled stops like this in public places. It was a 'surprise' to the customers as you don't normally tell the whole world where the president will be...ya know...for security purposes?

Fools.

And sorry...but the president gets to stage photo-ops. He's the president. Just don't do them when flying over a natural disaster

Yeah, 3 people just "wander in", ....with the President of the United States there, ....and the Secret Service just let'em wander on in.....3 people they "supposedly" knew nothing about.....


Give me a fuken break.

And Rebel unknowingly proves my point FOR THE WIN!!!!!

Thanks

No, Einstein, I didn't prove anything you said. This was all staged. It wasn't just an unscheduled stop. THAT is apparent. If it were an unscheduled stop, NO one would have just been allowed to "wander in".

Ummmm...Rebel...that's exactly what I have said the entire thread. That this was totally planned and was not an unscheduled stop. The only people besides Niner who feel otherwise is the people in the restaurant and the press pool because to them, they didn't know it was going to happen!

So, he's a political slut and you're now in agreement.

I clearly said "SEEM to think". You know damned well that this clearly implies that it is my OPINION.

(07-27-2012 01:57 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-27-2012 01:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-27-2012 01:44 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-26-2012 03:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-26-2012 03:54 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Yeah, 3 people just "wander in", ....with the President of the United States there, ....and the Secret Service just let'em wander on in.....3 people they "supposedly" knew nothing about.....


Give me a fuken break.

And Rebel unknowingly proves my point FOR THE WIN!!!!!

Thanks

No, Einstein, I didn't prove anything you said. This was all staged. It wasn't just an unscheduled stop. THAT is apparent. If it were an unscheduled stop, NO one would have just been allowed to "wander in".

Ummmm...Rebel...that's exactly what I have said the entire thread. That this was totally planned and was not an unscheduled stop. The only people besides Niner who feel otherwise is the people in the restaurant and the press pool because to them, they didn't know it was going to happen!

So, he's a political slut and you're now in agreement.

Name me one 'campaigning' politician who isn't?

(07-27-2012 01:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I clearly said "SEEM to think". You know damned well that this clearly implies that it is my OPINION.

Yes, it's your opinion, based on no evidence to support it. Nothing I said in this thread can even be remotely construed as to think I believe Obama is the only president ever to do this.

You're welcome to your opinion Tom. Just like I'm welcome to point out it has no basis in fact or evidence.

My apologies. I must have mistakenly perceived 'rage' on your part by calling Obama the "Fraud-In-Chief" and a "faker" in the thread title, which I took you to mean this was something heinous and out of the norm.

Sorry.

(07-27-2012 02:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  My apologies. I must have mistakenly perceived 'rage' on your part by calling Obama the "Fraud-In-Chief" and a "faker" in the thread title, which I took you to mean this was something heinous and out of the norm.

Sorry.

No rage. He is a fraud. That's just a statement of fact. But it's for a multitude of reasons outside of this. This is actually very minor on the scale of things he's done.

Fraud?

Fact?

I have to think then that you have some proof of some ulterior motive Obama has to being President other than advancing his Democratic/Liberal (and possibly even some Socialist) principles.

Needless to say, I'd like to see those facts brought to light!

(07-27-2012 02:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Fraud?

Fact?

I have to think then that you have some proof of some ulterior motive Obama has to being President other than advancing his Democratic/Liberal (and possibly even some Socialist) principles.

Needless to say, I'd like to see those facts brought to light!

No, those are his goals. But he doesn't tell you that's what he wants.

Look at his stance on gay marriage for example. As a state senator is was for it. When he ran for president he said he was against it. Then he started "evolving" and now he's back in favor of it.

He said you don't raise taxes in a time of economic struggle. Twice now, during struggle, he has tried to raise taxes.

You can also see it in how he likes to create the narrative about himself. Wright is his mentor who he loves but he just happen to not be in the pew when Wright would say racially charged things. He was conceived in Selma by his parents even though it was 4 years after he was born.

And every now and then his true feelings come out, as with his rant that included "you didn't build that." Obama is an avid believer that government is engine of economic prosperity. He firmly believes in income redistribution though he'd never come out and say it. "We need to spread it around." as he said to Joe the plumber.

There are elements that just come with being a politician but Obama hides who he really is because his views, if known, don't resonate with the majority of Americans. That's why I call him a fraud.