(07-16-2012 06:10 PM)83msu Wrote:  Is it the gov't's fault then if you are not successful?

from MTO.org

(07-16-2012 07:15 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 06:10 PM)83msu Wrote:  Is it the gov't's fault then if you are not successful?

from MTO.org

Yes, and they will compensate you for it.

The Romney folks will definitely use that COTUS line in an ad very soon. Thank you, COTUS.

(07-15-2012 01:42 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-15-2012 01:38 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Obama believes there is no work involved in setting your business up. He believes the people who buy what you sell are the people that built your business. You did nothing.

He worded it poorly but I think he knows that those who built their business worked hard to set up their businesses but he believes it is the employees in the business were/are a big part of building that business.

The more this fool speaks off the cuff....the more it is apparent that his is a moron. Get him away from the teleprompter and his incompetence shines.

Let's play a game.

What he said


Look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own.  You didn’t get there on your own.  I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.  There are a lot of smart people out there.  It must be because I worked harder than everybody else.  Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.  (Applause.)

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn’t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.  There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own.  I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service.  That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires. 

What he really meant

Look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. Look at me because my world is all I know. I didn’t get into politics on my own. I didn’t get to be President on my own. It wouldn’t have happened without help, like the help I got from Bill Ayers who launched my political career and wrote my first book. Also, help from David Axelrod and my media buddies to attack, demonize and lie about my oppoonents and even get some thrown off the ballot so I could run unopposed. So, no, I didn’t do it alone, I had help. Lots of help. Like foolish, naive and uneducated college students who are not yet equipped to figure out the truth among the lies. They came out in great numbers and voted for me.

Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that allowed you to thrive - you know, the one I’m trying my best to destroy. This strawman that I’m constructing will fool a lot of people who are obsessed with bringing down the successful. I did not get here on my own and you can’t be successful without getting in tight with my administration. We can and will help you become one of my favorite businesses, able to get waivers from my policies when everybody else has to struggle. Just donate and you’ll be fine. See what ‘working together’ can do for you? Talk to my good buddy Eric Holder and we can get you innoculated.

What he said.....


Pfffffft....Amercian Dream.....**** that.......it doesn't exist

Quote:In a hard-hitting statement to Mail Online, the National Federation of Independent Businesses (NFIB) president Dan Danne said: 'What a disappointment to hear President Obama's revealing comments challenging the significance of America's entrepreneurs.

Mr Danne added: 'His unfortunate remarks over the weekend show an utter lack of understanding and appreciation for the people who take a huge personal risk and work endless hours to start a business and create jobs.'

Quote:'The problem with the Obama administration’s view, he wrote in a blog post, was that ‘it only looks at the good outcomes’ rather than what went before.

Mr Chavern wrote: ‘Success is apparently a collective effort - but where was that "collective" during the periods of risk-taking and failure? The vast majority of businesses fail. Period.

He added: 'Every day millions of people put their lives, savings, houses and families on the line and work 20 hours a day just to grab their small slice of the American dream. Where is the collective when all of this is going on? And if the collective is really responsible for success, how come everyone isn’t successful?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z20pHb2BE8

(07-17-2012 03:35 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

But Al Gore built the Internet.

(07-17-2012 12:07 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Let's play a game.

What he said


Look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own.  You didn’t get there on your own.  I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.  There are a lot of smart people out there.  It must be because I worked harder than everybody else.  Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.  (Applause.)

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn’t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.  There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own.  I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service.  That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires. 

What he really meant

Look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. Look at me because my world is all I know. I didn’t get into politics on my own. I didn’t get to be President on my own. It wouldn’t have happened without help, like the help I got from Bill Ayers who launched my political career and wrote my first book. Also, help from David Axelrod and my media buddies to attack, demonize and lie about my oppoonents and even get some thrown off the ballot so I could run unopposed. So, no, I didn’t do it alone, I had help. Lots of help. Like foolish, naive and uneducated college students who are not yet equipped to figure out the truth among the lies. They came out in great numbers and voted for me.

Somebody helped to me create this unbelievable American system that allowed you to thrive - you know, the one I’m trying my best to destroy. This strawman that I’m constructing will fool a lot of people who are obsessed with bringing down the successful. I did not get here on my own and you can’t be successful without getting in tight with my administration. We can and will help you become one of my favorite businesses, able to get waivers from my policies when everybody else has to struggle. Just donate and you’ll be fine. See what ‘working together’ can do for you? Talk to my good buddy Eric Holder and we can get you innoculated.

Brilliant, but a couple of minor errors. FIFY

Two key words (highlighted) that distinguish Obama's conception of industry and the view of those that accomplish something.

(07-17-2012 02:25 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

Quote:In a hard-hitting statement to Mail Online, the National Federation of Independent Businesses (NFIB) president Dan Danne said: 'What a disappointment to hear President Obama's revealing comments challenging the significance of America's entrepreneurs.

Mr Danne added: 'His unfortunate remarks over the weekend show an utter lack of understanding and appreciation for the people who take a huge personal risk and work endless hours to start a business and create jobs.'

Lol...

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

(07-19-2012 08:41 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

Oddly enough, I agee with that. George Bush made it happen.

...... but we'll tax it anyway!

If it moves, tax it.
If it keeps moving, regulate it.
If it doesn't move, subsidize it.

(07-20-2012 03:37 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

Priceless.

Actually, if you read the entire clip, it's apparent when Obama said "that" he meant the roads and bridges, Internet etc. Not the business.

Here's the entire remark, and the bolded part is what Romney's ad conveniently cut out--

Quote:If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be ‘cause I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something: There are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

Patently dishonest to cut off a sentence like that and tie it to later remarks so that it looks like he says "Let me tell you something: If you've got a business, you didn't build that" when there's 3 sentences in between.

I've said this on here many times. If you own a successful business and think you can accumulate all of this on your own, let's drop you in the Congo jungle and see how much wealth you leave with 20 years later (if you're alive). That's all Obama is saying. And if you're being intellectually honest, you'd agree. Society is a give and take and yes, government plays a large role in that. Would Rupert Murdoch's media empire be worth billions if everybody was illiterate? It sure would be hard to push the Wall Street Journal. But thanks to universal public education he has a market. Or if there were no interstate highways to transport the newspapers to the homes for delivery, paper to the printing press etc? At the least costs would rise. And of course there's the obvious examples of protection by the military, police and firefighters.

And the fact that the Internet was invented by defense (which is apparently what Libertarians approve of as constitutional) is a red herring. It doesn't rebut the fact it's still something achieved by the collective, and you didn't build it on your own. As for the entitlements, they play a role in creating demand which churns our economic engine. If you're a landlord, you're helped by the Section 8 voucher system -- otherwise those millions of people would be on the street and there's be a lot more vacant apartments. If you're a farmer or grocer, you're helped by food stamps, because more people are buying your product. Hell, if you work for a car maker or dealer, you were helped by Cash for Clunkers. And to a lesser degree, we're ALL helped by all of these programs as these dollars flow through the channels and lead to increased productivity, and a higher standard of living for all of us.

But that's beside the point. His remarks are clearly being taken out of context.

Notice how you left out the key part. Obama is showing his true colors and people are waking up to that and it scares you.