I love watching mob mentalities emerge...

In what way is this thread a mob mentality?

(07-15-2012 08:16 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-15-2012 02:21 AM)RandyMc Wrote:  If you do not read the entire Freeh report and only depend upon what the talking television heads, blathering radio mouths and the dying print media along with the internet columnists and bloggers write, you cannot know what happened and how it happened. Paterno is not at the top of the list of people who failed these kids. Not even close to the top.

The president, the senior vice president in charge of, among other things, the University Police, the athletic director and the board leadership of Second Mile are, after Sandusky, the people that are most culpable in this horrible, sordid, tragic and mind crunching series of terrible actions. There is a reason that Paterno was not indicted when senior members of the university's administration were. Freeh did not even choose to interview Paterno after Freeh began his investigation even though Paterno's counsel offered him to Freeh months before he died . The Freeh report even makes this statement.

Joe Paterno is the favorite flavor to beat on this week by those that are paid to report but don't want to read and think. It is too easy for them.

I read the whole thing, too, and I could not disagree more. To me, it's silly to assign blame by individuals. They all failed miserably.

However, saying Paterno wasn't at, or near the top, for blame is absurd.

Did you miss the part where Spanier, Schultz and Curley had agreed to report Sandusky in 2001, and Paterno talked them out of it?

Did you miss the part where Paterno testified to the grand jury that he had no idea of any such action by Sandusky before 2001, when, in fact, he had followed the 1998 incident closely, and "was anxious" to find out what was happening with it?

Did you miss the fact that legal analysts say that if Paterno were alive, he could now easily be charged with child endangerment, perjury and criminal conspiracy? This entire sordid saga took place to protect the football program, and nobody was more concerned with that than Joe Paterno.

Yep.

Much like we trumpet about athletics being a front porch to what our university stands for, and is all about...JoePa was the damn front door...it's becoming clear that he cared about "protecting" his image, and that of his football program above anything else.

Sickening.

(07-15-2012 08:16 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-15-2012 02:21 AM)RandyMc Wrote:  If you do not read the entire Freeh report and only depend upon what the talking television heads, blathering radio mouths and the dying print media along with the internet columnists and bloggers write, you cannot know what happened and how it happened. Paterno is not at the top of the list of people who failed these kids. Not even close to the top.

The president, the senior vice president in charge of, among other things, the University Police, the athletic director and the board leadership of Second Mile are, after Sandusky, the people that are most culpable in this horrible, sordid, tragic and mind crunching series of terrible actions. There is a reason that Paterno was not indicted when senior members of the university's administration were. Freeh did not even choose to interview Paterno after Freeh began his investigation even though Paterno's counsel offered him to Freeh months before he died . The Freeh report even makes this statement.

Joe Paterno is the favorite flavor to beat on this week by those that are paid to report but don't want to read and think. It is too easy for them.

I read the whole thing, too, and I could not disagree more. To me, it's silly to assign blame by individuals. They all failed miserably.

However, saying Paterno wasn't at, or near the top, for blame is absurd.

Did you miss the part where Spanier, Schultz and Curley had agreed to report Sandusky in 2001, and Paterno talked them out of it?

Did you miss the part where Paterno testified to the grand jury that he had no idea of any such action by Sandusky before 2001, when, in fact, he had followed the 1998 incident closely, and "was anxious" to find out what was happening with it?

Did you miss the fact that legal analysts say that if Paterno were alive, he could now easily be charged with child endangerment, perjury and criminal conspiracy? This entire sordid saga took place to protect the football program, and nobody was more concerned with that than Joe Paterno.

Not a thing you reference is in the report. Even what Paterno testified to when he was before the Grand Jury is highly defensible within a reasonable doubt so I don't buy the so called "legal analysts" opinion.

I am not going to do the whole back and forth thing because people are obviously emotionally posted on the person whose face they recognize rather than the unknown, unrecognizable faces of those that were in the most favored position to help these children. But, to write that assigning blame is silly and that everyone is responsible makes it absolutely certain that no one will be held responsible. There are three people at the top of the heap that were tasked with assuring the university did the right thing and they are the ones that catastrophically failed. The Second Mile board leadership catastrophically failed. They need to be held responsible.

Wow. Mob mentality, Paterno not at fault.
What's next?

Just because previously unknown Penn State administrators are equally or more culpable in squashing this information, essentially being protective of Sandusky, and allowing Paterno to pressure them into not doing anything...

So what.

This is basically a sports message board. Joe Paterno is a big sports icon. No one is defending the administrators...but the story here is Paterno.

Did you complain about other murders while OJ was on trial?

People are not as hollow as you imply here. They know there were plenty of horrible actors. A very different point than a discussion of the famous icon.

Good points, Mimi. I's obvious that, here, Paterno is the point of the discussion and the only reason we're having a discussion.

Check out this little nugget on Vicky Triponey

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...iponey.htm

It speaks for itself.

Here's another from the Wall Street Journal.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...561402.htm

Who said Paterno did nothing wrong/not at fault?