(07-10-2012 11:30 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 07:45 PM)nmsuaggies Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 07:33 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  I could be wrong, but I don't see the WAC surviving. Idaho and NMSU have very little chance of remaining FBS unless they join up with MWC.

haha are you serious? NMSU will never it's FBS status.

I like the NMSU program, it's been a survivor but if a conference affiliation isn't forthcoming survival in FBS is going to be a long shot.

I think there'll be enough movement in the next 2 or 3 years so that NMSU can land a spot in a conference, at least for football-only. Hopefully they can make it as an independent for that time span.

There only shot is to pick up

UC Davis, Sacramento State and Cal Poly

Those three are required, after that ...... it gets slim but Montana and Montana State have to be renewed targets along with Northern Arizona.

UC Davis
Sacramento State
Cal Poly
Montana State
Montana
Northern Arizona

If Montana and Montana State go then Northern Iowa might be another.

(07-13-2012 09:30 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  There only shot is to pick up

UC Davis, Sacramento State and Cal Poly

Those three are required, after that ...... it gets slim but Montana and Montana State have to be renewed targets along with Northern Arizona.

UC Davis
Sacramento State
Cal Poly
Montana State
Montana
Northern Arizona

If Montana and Montana State go then Northern Iowa might be another.

You can probably scratch Montana off that list. Pretty large institutional and athletic problems right now, IIRC. Doubt they'd be able to change classifications.

(07-13-2012 09:32 AM)Seven Would Be Nice Wrote:  

(07-13-2012 09:30 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  There only shot is to pick up

UC Davis, Sacramento State and Cal Poly

Those three are required, after that ...... it gets slim but Montana and Montana State have to be renewed targets along with Northern Arizona.

UC Davis
Sacramento State
Cal Poly
Montana State
Montana
Northern Arizona

If Montana and Montana State go then Northern Iowa might be another.

You can probably scratch Montana off that list. Pretty large institutional and athletic problems right now, IIRC. Doubt they'd be able to change classifications.

Then the WAC is beyond being in deep doodoo. Without the M&M's (Montana and Montana State), I don't see it happening.

The next on the list would be Eastern Washington and Portland State. It could happen but that is a long climb against the PAC 12.

They need viable schools outside of the PAC 12 footprint.

(07-13-2012 09:30 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Their only shot is to pick up

UC Davis, Sacramento State and Cal Poly

Those three are required, after that ...... it gets slim but Montana and Montana State have to be renewed targets along with Northern Arizona.

UC Davis
Sacramento State
Cal Poly
Montana State
Montana
Northern Arizona

If Montana and Montana State go then Northern Iowa might be another.

If this idea happens to materialize, it will take some years to complete and a lot of money must be spent. One has to wonder why Cal Poly and UC Davis hasn't already made the jump, unless it is lack of funds and commitment. I just don't see it happening, but that doesn't mean that a few of those team won't move up.

Montana and Montana State turned down the WAC a few years ago, when it was a much more stable conference. They appear content to stay FCS for a while, plus Montana has other in-house issues to address as well. I see almost no chance they re-consider the WAC and they will not get one without the other.

If the WAC were going to pull a rabbit out of their hat they would have done it already. They've been dead in the water for months.

(07-13-2012 12:09 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  If the WAC were going to pull a rabbit out of their hat they would have done it already. They've been dead in the water for months.

The WAC could have a chance if they add the four Dakota Universities to the West Division and a East Division with APP St, JMU, Liberty, Georgia Southern, Jacksonville State and Coastal Carolina.

West-6 football playing members
New Mexico State
Idaho
North Dakota
South Dakota
North Dakota State
South Dakota State

If I worked at the WAC offices, I probably would have stopped shaving three months ago, started coming to work in my bathrobe at least six weeks ago, and spent my days updating my resume and playing words with friends.

(07-13-2012 12:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  If I worked at the WAC offices, I probably would have stopped shaving three months ago, started coming to work in my bathrobe at least six weeks ago, and spent my days updating my resume and playing words with friends.

I wonder if Hurd has hair on his huevos to pull off this type of move and save WAC football. Doubtful at best. He is asleep at the helm.

You have probably got it right about him in his bathrobe trying to find a job soon.

I hope Karl does not hire this guy because he has done absolutely nothing since being the Commissoner of the WAC

(07-13-2012 01:13 PM)Cat79 Wrote:  

(07-13-2012 12:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  If I worked at the WAC offices, I probably would have stopped shaving three months ago, started coming to work in my bathrobe at least six weeks ago, and spent my days updating my resume and playing words with friends.

I wonder if Hurd has hair on his huevos to pull off this type of move and save WAC football. Doubtful at best. He is asleep at the helm.

You have probably got it right about him in his bathrobe trying to find a job soon.

I hope Karl does not hire this guy because he has done absolutely nothing since being the Commissoner of the WAC

I don't think it's salvageable at this point. I'm not sure anyone could convince those schools to join...

(07-13-2012 09:51 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(07-13-2012 09:30 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Their only shot is to pick up

UC Davis, Sacramento State and Cal Poly

Those three are required, after that ...... it gets slim but Montana and Montana State have to be renewed targets along with Northern Arizona.

UC Davis
Sacramento State
Cal Poly
Montana State
Montana
Northern Arizona

If Montana and Montana State go then Northern Iowa might be another.

If this idea happens to materialize, it will take some years to complete and a lot of money must be spent. One has to wonder why Cal Poly and UC Davis hasn't already made the jump, unless it is lack of funds and commitment. I just don't see it happening, but that doesn't mean that a few of those team won't move up.

PolyStang and some of the other California posters have stated that it would be next to impossible for them to move up right now due California's budget woes.

Also, it might have been a different story if they were asked to move up while San Jose and Fresno were still in the league. At least there would have been some California rivals.

Right now, they are sitting in the Big West with nothing but Cali schools for non football. Football is playing in the Big Sky with all of the schools the WAC wants to move up.

I'm sure it has been mentioned here, but the other problem the WAC faces is that everyone is out for themselves. Everyone bailed that could. The players left behind would sell the league down river for a MWC invite (or WCC invite for Denver and Seattle). What team in a stable conference is going to look that mess and say they are ready to dump tons of money into a move without a guarantee that NMSU or UI won't leave

(07-10-2012 01:47 PM)asumike83 Wrote:  FBS status is really the WAC's only selling point. Unless they can get half a dozen FCS athletic programs on the same page within the month, they will get no new football members. Looks like they may go from life support to flat line very shortly.

Will the NCAA help the WAC survive as an FBS conference by letting FCS members to be FBS if they join, or give the schools a probationary period to reach the required number of sports and scholarships? I don't see any other way.

I'll bet NMSU winds up in the Sun Belt. I don't see them in CUSA because of UTEP and the MWC because of New Mexico. Idaho might be french fried as far as FBS is concerned.

(07-13-2012 06:40 PM)CaliforniaCajun Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 01:47 PM)asumike83 Wrote:  FBS status is really the WAC's only selling point. Unless they can get half a dozen FCS athletic programs on the same page within the month, they will get no new football members. Looks like they may go from life support to flat line very shortly.

Will the NCAA help the WAC survive as an FBS conference by letting FCS members to be FBS if they join, or give the schools a probationary period to reach the required number of sports and scholarships? I don't see any other way.

I'll bet NMSU winds up in the Sun Belt. I don't see them in CUSA because of UTEP and the MWC because of New Mexico. Idaho might be french fried as far as FBS is concerned.

Benson and Hawkins already stated NMSU is not an option.

IMO Idaho would be best served in the Fcs big sky conference along with other regional rivals. It might be better for their program after all.
The big sky even stands at an odd number of teams if I'm not mistaken. That's no coincidence, they're waiting on Idaho to come back down to reality.

And jmu isn't interested in this WAC east idea from what we can tell. You can put that to bed.