(07-15-2012 12:46 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(07-15-2012 10:19 AM)BamaState33 Wrote:  

(07-15-2012 10:00 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  I dont care if we dont ever play Jax State again....We have moved on to bigger and better things

One couldnt argue that. Troy doesn't need to play Jax State but it would sure be nice. Jax State would have certainly created more buzz that Alcorn State did a few years ago.

Would Jax State be a better opponent than Alcorn State...Of course im sure. But Alcorn State is an automatic win for us. As would Jax State. Only difference is Attendance would probably be better with Jax State.

Jax State wants to play us more than we care to play them. If they would like to play us im sure they could contact our athletic department and im sure our athletic department would be glad to schedule them for one year...But at our place only.

It's that arrogance about Jax State being an easy win for you that is obviously an opinion. How embarrassing for Troy would it be if we came to your house and beat you? Oh wait, that would never happen because Troy racked up the wins last year and you guys are much better now, right?

(07-15-2012 01:11 PM)jsualumnus Wrote:  

(07-15-2012 12:46 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(07-15-2012 10:19 AM)BamaState33 Wrote:  

(07-15-2012 10:00 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  I dont care if we dont ever play Jax State again....We have moved on to bigger and better things

One couldnt argue that. Troy doesn't need to play Jax State but it would sure be nice. Jax State would have certainly created more buzz that Alcorn State did a few years ago.

Would Jax State be a better opponent than Alcorn State...Of course im sure. But Alcorn State is an automatic win for us. As would Jax State. Only difference is Attendance would probably be better with Jax State.

Jax State wants to play us more than we care to play them. If they would like to play us im sure they could contact our athletic department and im sure our athletic department would be glad to schedule them for one year...But at our place only.

It's that arrogance about Jax State being an easy win for you that is obviously an opinion. How embarrassing for Troy would it be if we came to your house and beat you? Oh wait, that would never happen because Troy racked up the wins last year and you guys are much better now, right?

About as embarrassing as West Alabama coming into your house and beating you, about as likely too.

(07-15-2012 01:11 PM)jsualumnus Wrote:  It's that arrogance about Jax State being an easy win for you that is obviously an opinion. How embarrassing for Troy would it be if we came to your house and beat you? Oh wait, that would never happen because Troy racked up the wins last year and you guys are much better now, right?

It would be terribly embarressing, BECAUSE IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. Everyone knows Troy should destroy Jax State, so a loss would be both shocking and embarresing.

Now all yall have to do is call up our A.D. and ask if yall can come play us in Troy, then we can see if the Gamecocks can keep up with the Men of Troy. If JSU doesn't want to do that then this will all just remain message board banter, because Troy isn't going to yalls place.

(07-15-2012 07:55 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  

(07-15-2012 01:11 PM)jsualumnus Wrote:  It's that arrogance about Jax State being an easy win for you that is obviously an opinion. How embarrassing for Troy would it be if we came to your house and beat you? Oh wait, that would never happen because Troy racked up the wins last year and you guys are much better now, right?

It would be terribly embarressing, BECAUSE IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. Everyone knows Troy should destroy Jax State, so a loss would be both shocking and embarresing.

Now all yall have to do is call up our A.D. and ask if yall can come play us in Troy, then we can see if the Gamecocks can keep up with the Men of Troy. If JSU doesn't want to do that then this will all just remain message board banter, because Troy isn't going to yalls place.

+1

JSU knows it would be embarrassing because we are on a higher level than they are. Everyone in the State except maybe JSU people know that TROY should destroy JSU. If Troy and JSU were to play next year and TROY beat JSU big deal business as normal the next day. But If JSU were to upset TROY then its get front page news in all the papers and news the next day.

Yep.

(07-15-2012 10:47 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Yep.

Actually, to the contrary. If JSU beat Troy it would be embarrassing to Troy, but it's not like we're beating a team from the SEC. No disrespect to the SB, but even you guys have said the conference is like a mid-major. It's a good conference, and it's one JSU would probably gladly join if ever invited. BUT... JSU gains nothing by playing Troy. There's no money in it for us.

As for playing you on a level playing field...we'd compete just like we used to in the past.

We are trying to build the program for the future. That's why you won't see a JSU/Troy game in the near future. We gain nothing by beating you, and you know why? The only people that would hear about it would have to watch the Dothan, Montgomery, or Birmingham news. When we beat Ole Miss, it was all over ESPN, and the year before that our game against FSU was all over ESPN. That same year, even though Ga Tech beat us 38-17, the Atlanta and Birmgham news gave us tons of props. We will play 3 games against non-conference teams... 1 will be either Chattanooga, Furman, or maybe someone else close by. Then we'll have 2 games against major conference teams...in 2013 we will play Auburn and another OOC game . In 2014, we will play Michigan State and UCF. Then LSU in 2015. See my actual point? It's not that we don't want to play Troy again, but beating you isn't nearly as big as beating one these guys. Plus, these games put us in the national spotlight, and this what we can sell to recruits.

When a recruit asks Blakeny if y'all play Auburn, he has to say "no, we can't seem to get them scheduled".... With us, we can say "yep, we're playing the big boys to get our program where we want it to be".... You guys did the exact same thing when you started your plan to move up...took a beating, but it paid off right?

(07-16-2012 01:10 AM)jsualumnus Wrote:  

(07-15-2012 10:47 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Yep.

Actually, to the contrary. If JSU beat Troy it would be embarrassing to Troy, but it's not like we're beating a team from the SEC. No disrespect to the SB, but even you guys have said the conference is like a mid-major. It's a good conference, and it's one JSU would probably gladly join if ever invited. BUT... JSU gains nothing by playing Troy. There's no money in it for us.

As for playing you on a level playing field...we'd compete just like we used to in the past.

We are trying to build the program for the future. That's why you won't see a JSU/Troy game in the near future. We gain nothing by beating you, and you know why? The only people that would hear about it would have to watch the Dothan, Montgomery, or Birmingham news. When we beat Ole Miss, it was all over ESPN, and the year before that our game against FSU was all over ESPN. That same year, even though Ga Tech beat us 38-17, the Atlanta and Birmgham news gave us tons of props. We will play 3 games against non-conference teams... 1 will be either Chattanooga, Furman, or maybe someone else close by. Then we'll have 2 games against major conference teams...in 2013 we will play Auburn and another OOC game . In 2014, we will play Michigan State and UCF. Then LSU in 2015. See my actual point? It's not that we don't want to play Troy again, but beating you isn't nearly as big as beating one these guys. Plus, these games put us in the national spotlight, and this what we can sell to recruits.

When a recruit asks Blakeny if y'all play Auburn, he has to say "no, we can't seem to get them scheduled".... With us, we can say "yep, we're playing the big boys to get our program where we want it to be".... You guys did the exact same thing when you started your plan to move up...took a beating, but it paid off right?

No one is saying it would be on the scale of beating a SEC team. But it will still be plastered all over the news because a FCS team beat a FBS team. Esp. one thats in state.

No recruits are asking if we play Auburn. We play plenty of SEC teams every year. If a recruit had a choice between TROY and JSU I guarantee you 95% of them would choose TROY because of being FBS, Better facilities, more opportunity, Bowl games/Wins, More TV time.

(07-15-2012 01:11 PM)jsualumnus Wrote:  

(07-15-2012 12:46 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(07-15-2012 10:19 AM)BamaState33 Wrote:  

(07-15-2012 10:00 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  I dont care if we dont ever play Jax State again....We have moved on to bigger and better things

One couldnt argue that. Troy doesn't need to play Jax State but it would sure be nice. Jax State would have certainly created more buzz that Alcorn State did a few years ago.

Would Jax State be a better opponent than Alcorn State...Of course im sure. But Alcorn State is an automatic win for us. As would Jax State. Only difference is Attendance would probably be better with Jax State.

Jax State wants to play us more than we care to play them. If they would like to play us im sure they could contact our athletic department and im sure our athletic department would be glad to schedule them for one year...But at our place only.

It's that arrogance about Jax State being an easy win for you that is obviously an opinion. How embarrassing for Troy would it be if we came to your house and beat you? Oh wait, that would never happen because Troy racked up the wins last year and you guys are much better now, right?

I season will not define this program. You can dwell on the with some of our conference mates if you like. The series goes back a long way and there is no other in-state school that I'd like to see TROY play more. The fact that JSU ended the series because we wouldn't visit your campus was laughable. Who does that? What FB$ team will/has gone to an FCS...?

I actually agree with your comment about JSU requesting a home game. The thought was around bringing the old rivarly back, and it was more of a request through the idea than it was a demand. I can see where that would never happen with Troy and JSU, but it does happen in other rivalries... Temple and Villanova are one example. Once Troy said it was against the SunBelt policy, the idea was dropped...

There appears to be some confusion. JSU has a real nice program with a nice stadium and great fan support. They've played Florida State and Georgia Tech tough and beaten Ole Miss on the road. It's one of the nation's stronger FCS programs and, unless it upgrades to FBS, will continue to be.

Those three games notwithstanding, JSU is a FCS program. JSU plays Troy 10 times as a FCS versus FBS, Troy wins at least nine times. Odds are they'd win all ten. If JSU is FBS, then the field is even. Those 20 or so scholarships are like getting a 25 percent chance to "hit" on guessing which players are going to be good AND your pool of recruits is better to begin with.

I, unlike some of the posters here, happen to like JSU, and think they'd be a nice addition to FBS at some later date. No one is going to touch them while their men's basketball program is in APR probation anyway. JSU will get its FBS shot at some point. The APR issue is a huge problem because, until its resolved, the basketball program is going to be a train wreck.

(07-15-2012 01:11 PM)jsualumnus Wrote:  How embarrassing for Troy would it be if we came to your house and beat you?

If it would be an embarrassment to lose to JSU, then it probably would be an easy win. If it wasn't an easy win, no would be embarassed by it. Sealed your own deal there...

I do have to say though, logically speaking, we can't say Auburn and Alabama are scared to play us and then say we're not scared to play JSU.

(07-16-2012 11:45 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I do have to say though, logically speaking, we can't say Auburn and Alabama are scared to play us and then say we're not scared to play JSU.

:iagree:

(07-16-2012 11:45 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I do have to say though, logically speaking, we can't say Auburn and Alabama are scared to play us and then say we're not scared to play JSU.

Completely different scenarios. We aren't avoiding playing Jax State, we simply demand they come to us without a guaranteed return game at their place, because they are FCS. Auburn and Bama won't even let us come to their stadium with no return stipulation.

We arnt scared to play JSU. JSU is the one that ended the series. We would have continued to play JSU but only at OUR place.