(07-12-2012 11:30 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 09:28 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 07:29 AM)XLance Wrote:  From the "double secret insider":
Swoff threw the kitchen sink at them with multiple options, and it's no secret that they want to keep their football seperate. The current deal proposal is not for football, but I was told that the deal does have multiple football incentives beyond just a few games. Swoff is trying to make ND's "eventual" full movement a no brainer for them. The biggest deal is that if ND does jump for the more agressive football options, ESPN has agreed to renegotiate and restructure their agreements with the ACC, particularly the points of contention that FSU has with the deal.

I know it not from the "dude" but.....

Is that something you came up with or something that you read somewhere?

Came from a premium Carolina board, pretty reliable source corroborated by an even more reliable source.

You know something? The Internet web has ruined everything. Back in the day a "double secret insider" would meet you alone, at night, in a darkened parking garage. The only details you could make out was a outline in the shadows and the lit tip of his cigerette when he took a deep long drag. And then with a raspy voice he would tell you to "follow the money. Nothing else matters".

(07-12-2012 08:02 AM)TerryD Wrote:  People like the idea of being able to negotiate separate deals. That is a wonderful thing, in many people's view.

However, they mean it is a good idea for "conferences" to be able to do this.

They just get pissed when it is "Notre Dame" that does it.

Somehow, contractual tie ins of the new bowls by a socialistic grouping of schools is a wonderful idea.

A tie in by a single, solitary school with the power and ability to do the same thing all by themselves.......oh, the horror of it all. THAT suddenly is a very bad thing!

How is it an "open system", as stated above in this thread, when the conference cartel can shut it closed by a contractual tie in?

It is not, that is the real answer. It is the same rigged game.

If if truly is meant to be an "open system", then there should be no conference tie ins to any bowl, not the Rose, the "Champions Bowl, the Orange Bowl....nothing.

We all know that this "open system" is a big joke.

The other schools are apparently just pissed if a single school has the same cartel power as one of the various sub-groups of the cartel.

While i'm not a fan of ND at all, I like the idea of having them tied into the Orange Bowl if they meet certain requirements. As I said on another board; a 9-10 win ND team can drive tv ratings & puts people in the seats.

(07-12-2012 11:30 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 09:28 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 07:29 AM)XLance Wrote:  From the "double secret insider":
Swoff threw the kitchen sink at them with multiple options, and it's no secret that they want to keep their football seperate. The current deal proposal is not for football, but I was told that the deal does have multiple football incentives beyond just a few games. Swoff is trying to make ND's "eventual" full movement a no brainer for them. The biggest deal is that if ND does jump for the more agressive football options, ESPN has agreed to renegotiate and restructure their agreements with the ACC, particularly the points of contention that FSU has with the deal.

I know it not from the "dude" but.....

Is that something you came up with or something that you read somewhere?

Came from a premium Carolina board, pretty reliable source corroborated by an even more reliable source.

Can you elaborate more on some of these options and what points of contention FSU has with the deal? You can PM me if someone doesn't want it on a public board.

Cheers,
Neil

(07-12-2012 12:40 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 11:30 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 09:28 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 07:29 AM)XLance Wrote:  From the "double secret insider":
Swoff threw the kitchen sink at them with multiple options, and it's no secret that they want to keep their football seperate. The current deal proposal is not for football, but I was told that the deal does have multiple football incentives beyond just a few games. Swoff is trying to make ND's "eventual" full movement a no brainer for them. The biggest deal is that if ND does jump for the more agressive football options, ESPN has agreed to renegotiate and restructure their agreements with the ACC, particularly the points of contention that FSU has with the deal.

I know it not from the "dude" but.....

Is that something you came up with or something that you read somewhere?

Came from a premium Carolina board, pretty reliable source corroborated by an even more reliable source.

Can you elaborate more on some of these options and what points of contention FSU has with the deal? You can PM me if someone doesn't want it on a public board.

Cheers,
Neil

Please...as if any insider worth their salt would give details.

You wouldn't be beholding to them if you had more details. Wait patiently for the next riddle with the rest of us.

(07-12-2012 01:03 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 12:40 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 11:30 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 09:28 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 07:29 AM)XLance Wrote:  From the "double secret insider":
Swoff threw the kitchen sink at them with multiple options, and it's no secret that they want to keep their football seperate. The current deal proposal is not for football, but I was told that the deal does have multiple football incentives beyond just a few games. Swoff is trying to make ND's "eventual" full movement a no brainer for them. The biggest deal is that if ND does jump for the more agressive football options, ESPN has agreed to renegotiate and restructure their agreements with the ACC, particularly the points of contention that FSU has with the deal.

I know it not from the "dude" but.....

Is that something you came up with or something that you read somewhere?

Came from a premium Carolina board, pretty reliable source corroborated by an even more reliable source.

Can you elaborate more on some of these options and what points of contention FSU has with the deal? You can PM me if someone doesn't want it on a public board.

Cheers,
Neil

Please...as if any insider worth their salt would give details.

You wouldn't be beholding to them if you had more details. Wait patiently for the next riddle with the rest of us.

I know your are joking, but...

Back in the 2006-2008 time frame I had a couple of "inside" sources that were quite reliable and had good details that I shared with a few select posters via PMs. The majority of the info was spot on and made me look prescient sometimes, including a thread back in 2007 I started about how the BTN and a Plus One would change the college athletics landscape forever.

Within a few days of getting the heads up on it and making the post talking about general "trends" the Big Ten's first foray into possible expansion being fueled by the BTN was on. It led nowhere at that time. But it was good summer fodder.

Interestingly, three years later while the BTN was trumpeted as the biggest reason for expansion, the Big Ten ultimately went in a different direction (national elite status) with hopes of getting ND, Texas, and Nebraska. FranktheTank did a great job calling Texas, while Maisel (I think) called Nebraska years earlier.

Cheers,
Neil

(07-12-2012 01:55 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 01:03 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 12:40 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 11:30 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 09:28 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Is that something you came up with or something that you read somewhere?

Came from a premium Carolina board, pretty reliable source corroborated by an even more reliable source.

Can you elaborate more on some of these options and what points of contention FSU has with the deal? You can PM me if someone doesn't want it on a public board.

Cheers,
Neil

Please...as if any insider worth their salt would give details.

You wouldn't be beholding to them if you had more details. Wait patiently for the next riddle with the rest of us.

I know your are joking, but...

Back in the 2006-2008 time frame I had a couple of "inside" sources that were quite reliable and had good details that I shared with a few select posters via PMs. The majority of the info was spot on and made me look prescient sometimes, including a thread back in 2007 I started about how the BTN and a Plus One would change the college athletics landscape forever.

Within a few days of getting the heads up on it and making the post talking about general "trends" the Big Ten's first foray into possible expansion being fueled by the BTN was on. It led nowhere at that time. But it was good summer fodder.

Interestingly, three years later while the BTN was trumpeted as the biggest reason for expansion, the Big Ten ultimately went in a different direction (national elite status) with hopes of getting ND, Texas, and Nebraska. FranktheTank did a great job calling Texas, while Maisel (I think) called Nebraska years earlier.

Cheers,
Neil

Well I don't have any sources.

There is a guy on the VT boards that is pretty convinced that something regarding ND will be decided this year. Of course he won't say how he knows. Another guy that is considered to be connected on the board insinuated that the first guy was in a position to know. So...who knows.

(07-11-2012 08:13 PM)ndlutz Wrote:  Ringmaster - we aren't to post full articles due to intellectual property concerns. Could you summarize the article and take the entire article down please? If not, I'm going to have to edit the post.

Sorry about that. Wasn't thinking.

Earlier in the week, reports surfaced that Notre Dame was in talks with the ACC about the Irish being a potential opponent for ACC teams in the Orange Bowl.

"I think there's been a little bit of misunderstanding with all of that," Swarbrick explained......

With the ACC locked into the Orange Bowl, a procedure for an opponent needs to be figured out--Swarbrick explains.


"It's a collective decision," Swarbrick said. "It's been portrayed as a Notre Dame discussion or somebody else's discussion but it's much more a collective effort to structure something that has a solution for the other side of the Orange Bowl.

"So a lot of us are engaged in that," Swarbrick continued. "It isn't limited to Notre Dame. We're making progress but there's more work to be done."

Swarbrick is certainly very satisfied with results of the 4-team playoff and how it all played out. More so, he feels it continues to allow Notre Dame to exist in the manner it wants.

"As we've said throughout all of our consideration for this--whether it's post-season solut
ions or conferences relationships--it starts with the premise of football independence and continue to be comfortable with our ability to do that and proceed that way," Swarbrick explained


http://www.wndu.com/sports/ndfootball/he...69115.html

Where do these fools come up with this crap?

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=159&f=4582&t=9143017

(07-13-2012 11:24 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Where do these fools come up with this crap?

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=159&f=4582&t=9143017

UNCS? The SEC is now interested in schools that don't exist?

(07-13-2012 11:24 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Where do these fools come up with this crap?

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=159&f=4582&t=9143017

If we could get our hands on what they're smoking, we could all be rich!

(07-14-2012 06:57 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  

(07-13-2012 11:24 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Where do these fools come up with this crap?

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=159&f=4582&t=9143017

UNCS? The SEC is now interested in schools that don't exist?

I was always partial to State College.

(07-14-2012 09:24 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-14-2012 06:57 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  

(07-13-2012 11:24 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Where do these fools come up with this crap?

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=159&f=4582&t=9143017

UNCS? The SEC is now interested in schools that don't exist?

I was always partial to State College.

Maybe he is referring to UNC-Smithfield??

Okay this came from one of our board insiders...she is a huge donor and very well connected in the academic and business world. I know her personally and vouch for her impeccable credentials.

Please remember this is second hand info and just what is out there...no timetable, no done deals...just FYI

The jist is UConn will come in the ACC along with Notre Dame if it accepts the ACC offer.

http://syracusefan.com/threads/next-step-for-acc.28935/

(07-17-2012 10:38 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Okay this came from one of our board insiders...she is a huge donor and very well connected in the academic and business world. I know her personally and vouch for her impeccable credentials.

Please remember this is second hand info and just what is out there...no timetable, no done deals...just FYI

The jist is UConn will come in the ACC along with Notre Dame if it accepts the ACC offer.

http://syracusefan.com/threads/next-step-for-acc.28935/

1) We already knew Notre Dame has a standing offer to join the ACC in all sports
2) We already knew that U Conn would wet their pants if invited to join the ACC

I guess all this tells us is that right now, if Notre Dame were to accept an invitation to join the ACC in all sports, they would like for U Conn to be #16. If they wait a couple of years, that could change (IMHO).

(07-17-2012 10:38 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Okay this came from one of our board insiders...she is a huge donor and very well connected in the academic and business world. I know her personally and vouch for her impeccable credentials.

Please remember this is second hand info and just what is out there...no timetable, no done deals...just FYI

The jist is UConn will come in the ACC along with Notre Dame if it accepts the ACC offer.

http://syracusefan.com/threads/next-step-for-acc.28935/

No surprises there. ND has a standing offer from the ACC for all sports. I'm sure they have an all sport standing offer from the B1G and Big 12 too. And UConn would be the other school to join. They're the most marketable team left available that meets the academic requirements, so that's not really a surprise either.

Neither of those require a time table because ND isn't joining until they absolutely have to and with their OB tie-in that'll be at least another 12 years.

So with 16, I'm guessing:
North
-----
BC
UConn
Cuse
Pitt
ND
Maryland
UVA
VT

South
-----
UNC
NCST
Duke
Wake
Clemson
GT
FSU
Miami

Or ND centric Pods looking something like :

ND pod
-----
BC
Pitt
ND
Miami

North
-----
UConn
Cuse
MD
NCST

Mid-Atlantic
-----
UVA
VT
UNC
Duke

South
-----
Wake
Clemson
GT
FSU

I'm thinking whoever comes in with ND is automatically in their pod... so

A: ND, UConn, Pitt, BC = your "ND pod" but swap Miami/UConn
B: SU, Md, NC St, Miami = your "North" but swap UConn/Miami
C: VA, NC, Duke, VT = your "Mid-Atlantic"
D: CU, GT, FSU, WF = your "South"

Kings/Barons in bold. Knights in italics. Wake is on the cusp of Knighthood, IMO, which makes pod D very, very tough (along with pod B). Actually, this is fairly balanced.

(07-17-2012 10:57 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-17-2012 10:38 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Okay this came from one of our board insiders...she is a huge donor and very well connected in the academic and business world. I know her personally and vouch for her impeccable credentials.

Please remember this is second hand info and just what is out there...no timetable, no done deals...just FYI

The jist is UConn will come in the ACC along with Notre Dame if it accepts the ACC offer.

http://syracusefan.com/threads/next-step-for-acc.28935/

I would gladly take UConn if Notre Dame came in. Notre Dame (FB centric) and UConn (BB centric) make a great addition....We'll see but I wouldn't get all 'eer done deal yet as I think Notre Dame will be happy as an Indy in FB for awhile.

(07-17-2012 12:26 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'm thinking whoever comes in with ND is automatically in their pod... so

A: ND, UConn, Pitt, BC = your "ND pod" but swap Miami/UConn
B: SU, Md, NC St, Miami = your "North" but swap UConn/Miami
C: VA, NC, Duke, VT = your "Mid-Atlantic"
D: CU, GT, FSU, WF = your "South"

Kings/Barons in bold. Knights in italics. Wake is on the cusp of Knighthood, IMO, which makes pod D very, very tough (along with pod B). Actually, this is fairly balanced.

I really don't believe that ND and whoever they come in with are tied together. I'm sure that if ND came in, they would have a say in who would be in their pool. Obviously, BC and Pitt would be there, since they both play ND regularly now.