(07-16-2012 08:04 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 08:00 PM)Brian Reading Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 07:57 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 07:39 PM)Brian Reading Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 06:21 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  I look at brand differently than just football. It is the whole package. While some here think sports is the only thing, overall package is much more important. Flagship universities are worth more pure and simple. While big athletic budget is important, but it pales comparing to the overall university's annual budget. UCONN's athletic budget is close to $70M per year but the overall school's annual budget is over $1B+. Like I said, that's peanuts vs. the overall picture.

Market, academics, overall sports, football, basketball and others all matter.

Here are some overall university statistics for the New Big East's football members. Just a disclaimer, I don't think the television markets mean much. There are some universities that command their market better, and there are some, such as Navy, that hold much more of a national market than a local one.

Endowment
1. SMU - $1,400,000,000
2. Cincinnati - $1,004,000,000
3. Louisville - $762,300,000
4. Houston - $662,200,000
5. Rutgers - $603,083,000
6. USF - $339,000,000
7. Connecticut - $329,000,000
8. Temple - $280,000,000
9. Memphis - $183,800,000
10. San Diego State - $180,479,555
11. UCF - $114,000,000
12. Boise State - $78,500,000
13. Navy - $7,107,000

2010 Academic Ranking of World Universities (ARWU)
1. Rutgers - 37
2. Connecticut - 70-89
3. Cincinnati, Houston, UCF, USF - 90-111
7. San Diego State, Temple - 112-137
9. Boise State, Louisville, Memphis, Navy, SMU - Not Ranked

Television Market
1. Rutgers - 1 (New York)
2. Temple - 4 (Philadelphia)
3. SMU - 5 (Dallas)
4. Houston - 10 (Houston)
5. USF - 13 (Tampa-St. Petersburg)
6. UCF - 19 (Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne)
7. Navy - 26 (Baltimore)
8. San Diego State - 28 (San Diego)
9. Connecticut - 30 (Hartford-New Haven)
10. Cincinnati - 34 (Cincinnati)
11. Memphis - 48 (Memphis)
12. Louisville - 50 (Louisville)
13. Boise State - 112 (Boise)

Academic rankings, try 2012 US News.

58. UCONN
68. RU
164. UL

RU does not own NYC market. Not even close. UCONN owns a piece of NYC market officially. 1/18 of the NYC's TV DMA is CT's Fairfield county at 1M people. That's officially on the list.

No offense, but U.S. News & World Reports is known as an extremely-flawed system. It borders on a popularity contest, and is usually the layman's guide.

None taken. However, they are the one that get marketed like crazy around the country while no one really heard of the other list you pull out other than people who really know. Unfortunately, perception is reality.

UCONN is also #19 ranked public university in the country. No one else from the BE is on that list.

Well, I for one, won't parade it around. If anything, it should piss you off that there is some news organization that pretends it is some authority on university rankings, when their methodology is so flawed that, it's ridiculous. It's similar to the ESPN situation I guess. I'm just going to do my job as an informed citizen, and point it out every chance I get. If there are enough of us to do so, it will eventually be exposed.

(07-16-2012 07:59 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 07:55 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 07:49 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 07:46 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 07:38 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  I have no desire to get into another pissing contest with UL. As far as endowment, flagship schools have access to funds schools like UL can only dream of. Case in example, state of CT just invested $1B into health research and that's bigger than most schools' entire endowment. I like to see private schools getting access to funds like that. Endowment matters but it does not matter that much to big state schools. UCONN is also on its way to get that endowment up to $1B. It will happen in the near future.

You guys got great athletic program. However, you are not even the #1 school in your state. Your academic is very sub par and basically you are a commuter school. Those are things that will work against you as far as a brand.

You do have access to a NBA arena, however.

For 2013, UCONN's annual budget is $1.9B. Endowment is peanuts comparing to that.

Hate to break it to you again, at this point due to bond issues in the Commonweath actually the University of Louisville has access to $$$$ that the University of Kentukcy doesn't.

Also, if anything you show ignornance about the campus life @ Louisville. It is much more of a student based population then "commuter".

Yes our academics are not @ the level of Rutgers but it is no better and no worse then former BIG EAST Member WVU.

I just guess in the end it just get @ you that Louisville has a larger endowment, much more success in the all around sports programs then UConn...we are the university that the BIG EAST uses as it rep @ the BCS meetings etc, etc...it is what it is...sorry

Try again. Not even close. You are nowhere close to even RU's academic ranking. It is great you have a good all around sports program? Much better... not even close.

Anyway, we are the founder of the BE and you are the johnny come lately. Nothing will change that anytime soon.

I have to agree with RU sucks as an athletic program. However, they are still a state flagship school and they are UCONN's peer in that department.

Rutgers is one of the Top Schools in the Country but it is not the "Top Brand" in the BIG EAST. If that the case then Stanford is the Top Brand in the Pac 12...try to tell that to USC.

Nah, we will just continue to win...enter the Men Basketball Season ranked either #1 or #2 Nationally and will be one of the favorites-(along with UC & USF) to win the BIG EAST Football Title.

If that makes us Johnny Come Latelys..so be it.

As for basketball, being #1 is not that big of deal. Been there, done that...many times. CT basketball isn't going away anytime soon. Our new $40M basketball practice facility is testament to that. UCONN basketball will be back like in 1 year.

As for football, plenty still has to be settled on the field. Preseason polls mean nothing. We will have something to say about that before it is all said and done. You might have higher ranked recruiting classes, it means nothing when they get on the field.

You forget...we have mulitple Men's Titles-(along with more Final Four Appearances, more NCAA Tournament wins etc, etc) as well and glad you are finally get'n a new practice facility...the Yum Center-(On Campus Basketball Practice Facility) been around for about 4 years now and is one of the best in the Nation.

But the point being is the fact that you cannot bring yourself to admit that Louisville is one of the top brands in the BIG EAST...myself I have no problem saying the same about UConn...but I am not as petty or jeolous as some...juz sayn

(07-16-2012 08:09 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 07:59 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 07:55 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 07:49 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 07:46 PM)Maize Wrote:  Hate to break it to you again, at this point due to bond issues in the Commonweath actually the University of Louisville has access to $$$$ that the University of Kentukcy doesn't.

Also, if anything you show ignornance about the campus life @ Louisville. It is much more of a student based population then "commuter".

Yes our academics are not @ the level of Rutgers but it is no better and no worse then former BIG EAST Member WVU.

I just guess in the end it just get @ you that Louisville has a larger endowment, much more success in the all around sports programs then UConn...we are the university that the BIG EAST uses as it rep @ the BCS meetings etc, etc...it is what it is...sorry

Try again. Not even close. You are nowhere close to even RU's academic ranking. It is great you have a good all around sports program? Much better... not even close.

Anyway, we are the founder of the BE and you are the johnny come lately. Nothing will change that anytime soon.

I have to agree with RU sucks as an athletic program. However, they are still a state flagship school and they are UCONN's peer in that department.

Rutgers is one of the Top Schools in the Country but it is not the "Top Brand" in the BIG EAST. If that the case then Stanford is the Top Brand in the Pac 12...try to tell that to USC.

Nah, we will just continue to win...enter the Men Basketball Season ranked either #1 or #2 Nationally and will be one of the favorites-(along with UC & USF) to win the BIG EAST Football Title.

If that makes us Johnny Come Latelys..so be it.

As for basketball, being #1 is not that big of deal. Been there, done that...many times. CT basketball isn't going away anytime soon. Our new $40M basketball practice facility is testament to that. UCONN basketball will be back like in 1 year.

As for football, plenty still has to be settled on the field. Preseason polls mean nothing. We will have something to say about that before it is all said and done. You might have higher ranked recruiting classes, it means nothing when they get on the field.

You forget...we have mulitple Men's Titles-(along with more Final Four Appearances, more NCAA Tournament wins etc, etc) as well and glad you are finally get'n a new practice facility...the Yum Center-(Basketball Practice Facility) been a round for about 4 years now and is one of the best in the Nation.

But the point being is the fact that you cannot bring yourself to admit that Louisville is one of the top brands in the BIG EAST...myself I have no problem saying the same about UConn...but I am not as petty or jeolous as some...juz sayn

I never said you are not one of the big brands in the BE. You are just not as big a brand as RU or UCONN. Anyway, we are all agree to disagree. Either way, UL is valuable asset to the BE. Both of us have to carry the basketball side of the league for the years to come.

(07-16-2012 08:11 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 08:09 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 07:59 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 07:55 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 07:49 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  Try again. Not even close. You are nowhere close to even RU's academic ranking. It is great you have a good all around sports program? Much better... not even close.

Anyway, we are the founder of the BE and you are the johnny come lately. Nothing will change that anytime soon.

I have to agree with RU sucks as an athletic program. However, they are still a state flagship school and they are UCONN's peer in that department.

Rutgers is one of the Top Schools in the Country but it is not the "Top Brand" in the BIG EAST. If that the case then Stanford is the Top Brand in the Pac 12...try to tell that to USC.

Nah, we will just continue to win...enter the Men Basketball Season ranked either #1 or #2 Nationally and will be one of the favorites-(along with UC & USF) to win the BIG EAST Football Title.

If that makes us Johnny Come Latelys..so be it.

As for basketball, being #1 is not that big of deal. Been there, done that...many times. CT basketball isn't going away anytime soon. Our new $40M basketball practice facility is testament to that. UCONN basketball will be back like in 1 year.

As for football, plenty still has to be settled on the field. Preseason polls mean nothing. We will have something to say about that before it is all said and done. You might have higher ranked recruiting classes, it means nothing when they get on the field.

You forget...we have mulitple Men's Titles-(along with more Final Four Appearances, more NCAA Tournament wins etc, etc) as well and glad you are finally get'n a new practice facility...the Yum Center-(Basketball Practice Facility) been a round for about 4 years now and is one of the best in the Nation.

But the point being is the fact that you cannot bring yourself to admit that Louisville is one of the top brands in the BIG EAST...myself I have no problem saying the same about UConn...but I am not as petty or jeolous as some...juz sayn

I never said you are not one of the big brands in the BE. You are just not as big a brand as RU or UCONN. Anyway, we are all agree to disagree. Either way, UL is valuable asset to the BE. Both of us have to carry the basketball side of the league for the years to come.

I see UConn, Louisville & Cincinnati as the "All Sports Brands"...each valuable in our own way. UConn being the link to the "Old BIG EAST" while us being the infusion to help the league move forward and UC as the top current Football member in the league.

Of the incoming schools Boise State...they help with the Football cred and will help with the media rights deal on the Football side.

(07-16-2012 07:48 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 05:57 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 05:54 PM)Caltex2 Wrote:  Isn't it funny how Navy has the fewest votes but they are about as big a national brand as anyone in the nBE?

RU and UCONN are the biggest brands left in the BE. Both got very few votes. That's all you need to know about this poll.

RU's been in the Big East Football Conf since 1991, and has a grand total of ZERO Conf Championships.

RU's been in the Big East Men's Basketball Conf since 1995, and has ZERO Conf regular season Titles and ZERO Conf Tourn Titles.

Longevity has nothing to do with "branding"...as Wake Forest and Duke Football have been around a lot longer than FSU Football but don't have one iota of "branding" as the Noles have.

Don't forget 0 NCAA Tourneys.

Most valuable brands? Athletically, academically, or both?

1. Notre Dame
2. Georgetown
3. Louisville
4. Connecticut
5-18. Everyone else.

the most valuable team to the big east in football is the one who wins the conference at the end of the year. that is the school the nation is going to focus on as being a representative of the best of the big east. if that team doesn't show up then the big east get buried in 60 feet of instead of 30 feet if the big east team wins.

i'm not voting in this poll because it's flawed- the new schools and notre dame are included and not a one of them save temple are playing a down in conference play. we all know that if notre dame does well, they get all the credit and the big east gets nothing. the current question is better off being asked next year, and without the inclusion of notre dame.

of the teams that are here now, it's either cincinatti or louisville and i would say louisville because i think they're the better team as they aren't having to replace key offensive parts like cincy is going to have to.

(07-17-2012 08:19 AM)ctkatz Wrote:  the most valuable team to the big east in football is the one who wins the conference at the end of the year. that is the school the nation is going to focus on as being a representative of the best of the big east. if that team doesn't show up then the big east get buried in 60 feet of instead of 30 feet if the big east team wins.

i'm not voting in this poll because it's flawed- the new schools and notre dame are included and not a one of them save temple are playing a down in conference play. we all know that if notre dame does well, they get all the credit and the big east gets nothing. the current question is better off being asked next year, and without the inclusion of notre dame.

of the teams that are here now, it's either cincinatti or louisville and i would say louisville because i think they're the better team as they aren't having to replace key offensive parts like cincy is going to have to.

At the end of the year I expect Louisville, Cincinnati & USF to be in the Top 25 as well as UCF & Boise State. Louisville, UC & USF I see having 9-3 to 11-1 records with UCF/Boise State in the 10-2/11-1 range as well.

(07-16-2012 10:34 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Most valuable brands? Athletically, academically, or both?
2. Georgetown

It's 2012, not 1985.

Georgetown is still a big brand though. Now if they could only stop losing to teams seeded very much lower than them in the Tourney, they could really be what they were. In recent years I can name at least three (10 seed Davidson as a 2, 11 seed VCU as a 3 and 14 Ohio as a 3).

They're a big brand no doubt, in spite of JT3's best efforts, but they're surely not #2 compared to all the other brands we're naming out there.

(07-17-2012 10:55 AM)CD11 Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 10:34 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Most valuable brands? Athletically, academically, or both?
2. Georgetown

It's 2012, not 1985.

X2

Love Gtown but saying they are #2 is laughable at best.


ps: that bank shot Cash hit vs Gtown in 2ot in the BET was MONEY! BURN!