more support that most of it was uninformed internet blog fodder

Quote:Neinas goes on in the memo to say he discussed expansion with ESPN president John Skipper, Fox Sports president Randy Freer and ESPN's head of college athletics operations Burke Magnus.

Neinas said all three agreed a 10-member conference was preferred, but they would live with expansion to 11 or 12 teams. He also said both TV partners were in support of Notre Dame becoming a partial member of the Big 12 if the Irish would play a specific number of football games at Big 12 venues.

Well I have been trying to tell everyone for the last year that the Big12 would stay at 10 teams.

It has always been about the TV networks......and the fact that none of the BigEast teams so often mentioned on this board as candidates would increase the conference value. .

The quote is from January. So ND is the only indy, BE, or nonaq team that adds value. People didn't address FSU, Alabama, USC, Michigan, Ohio St, or Lsu as none were considered
Realistic at the time.

Does anyone really think those schools I listed would not add value? Please.

The dude agrees.

The Dude of WV ‏ @ theDudeofWV @ davewelsh1 @ Stilts19 @ IngramSmith I've alluded to that report several times. It did not do a valuation on ACC schools. Only BE, ND & BYU.

If I ever wrote, "The Dude agrees with me," on this board, my very next thought would be, "What the hell is wrong with me?"

(06-27-2012 10:55 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Well I have been trying to tell everyone for the last year that the Big12 would stay at 10 teams.

It has always been about the TV networks......and the fact that none of the BigEast teams so often mentioned on this board as candidates would increase the conference value. .

Mostlly due to the fact the B12 was vastly overpaid last year by TV to keep the league together. $20M (if true) is the ceiling right now.

(06-27-2012 11:00 PM)Sammy11 Wrote:  The quote is from January. So ND is the only indy, BE, or nonaq team that adds value. People didn't address FSU, Alabama, USC, Michigan, Ohio St, or Lsu as none were considered
Realistic at the time.

Does anyone really think those schools I listed would not add value? Please.

The dude agrees.

The Dude of WV ‏ @ theDudeofWV @ davewelsh1 @ Stilts19 @ IngramSmith I've alluded to that report several times. It did not do a valuation on ACC schools. Only BE, ND & BYU.

Sammy if you are referring to my post. I agree with you. I am aware the date of the report and purposely limited my comments to the BigEast teams. For simplicity sake I did not go into the fact that at that time the ACC schools were not being considered.

I have learned that it is best to post no more than one thought at a time. It helps keep people from misconstruing the whole post.

(06-27-2012 11:12 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 11:00 PM)Sammy11 Wrote:  The quote is from January. So ND is the only indy, BE, or nonaq team that adds value. People didn't address FSU, Alabama, USC, Michigan, Ohio St, or Lsu as none were considered
Realistic at the time.

Does anyone really think those schools I listed would not add value? Please.

The dude agrees.

The Dude of WV ‏ @ theDudeofWV @ davewelsh1 @ Stilts19 @ IngramSmith I've alluded to that report several times. It did not do a valuation on ACC schools. Only BE, ND & BYU.

Sammy if you are referring to my post. I agree with you. I am aware the date of the report and purposely limited my comments to the BigEast teams. For simplicity sake I did not go into the fact that at that time the ACC schools were not being considered.

I have learned that it is best to post no more than one thought at a time. It helps keep people from misconstruing the whole post.

Was responding to the quote the article referenced. Apologies if you thought I was singling you out.

(06-27-2012 11:00 PM)Sammy11 Wrote:  The quote is from January. So ND is the only indy, BE, or nonaq team that adds value. People didn't address FSU, Alabama, USC, Michigan, Ohio St, or Lsu as none were considered
Realistic at the time.

Does anyone really think those schools I listed would not add value? Please.

The dude agrees.

The Dude of WV ‏ @ theDudeofWV @ davewelsh1 @ Stilts19 @ IngramSmith I've alluded to that report several times. It did not do a valuation on ACC schools. Only BE, ND & BYU.

But the Dude also said, as I pointed out in my earlier post in this thread, that the Big 12 going after ACC members was something he held on to for three weeks (his initial blog was dated January 21). Count three weeks backwards and that takes us back to Bowl season.

It's obvious that at the December committee meeting Neinas was charged with contacting the TV partners about what expansion with Louisville, BYU and ND as a partial member might mean in financial terms.

So, this memo clearly contradicts that ACC members were being pursued as early as late December/early January as the Dude indicated in his January 21 blog.

This memo does demonstrate why the topic of pursuing ACC members probably came up in late January at this meeting.

Cheers,
Neil

Keep stretching ACC-homers. It'll all be clear soon enough.

(06-28-2012 09:30 AM)EERSFAN Wrote:  Keep stretching ACC-homers. It'll all be clear soon enough.

Yes, Louisville and Tulane to the B12.

curtis, your mention of Tulane only serves to make you look ignorant...

It doesn't upset anyone, because everyone thinks it's a stupid suggestion that only a moron would make...

(06-28-2012 10:01 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  curtis, your mention of Tulane only serves to make you look ignorant...

It doesn't upset anyone, because everyone thinks it's a stupid suggestion that only a moron would make...

My point is Tulane is more likely than anybody in the ACC.

Anybody who believes The DUDE is stupid.

curtis, it depends on what The DUDE is saying as to whether or not it's worth listening to IMO, which is pretty much the case with anyone. Everyone says something significant at some point in the life, and you never know where wisdom can come from. It's often said that wisdom is the sum of experience. But it could also be said that experience is the result of the lack of wisdom...

You should be able to figure that out on your own...

(06-28-2012 10:07 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 10:01 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  curtis, your mention of Tulane only serves to make you look ignorant...

It doesn't upset anyone, because everyone thinks it's a stupid suggestion that only a moron would make...

My point is Tulane is more likely than anybody in the ACC.

Anybody who believes The DUDE is stupid.

There are a lot more than the Dude saying it, bro. Take your head out of the sand.

If I recall correctly, at the time that was written, the primary expansion candidates for the Big 12 over the previous 6 (or so) months were BYU, ND, Louisville, Cincinnati, etc.

The text says, “Our television partners agreed that the only new member that would enhance the Big 12 value for television was Notre Dame.” That could very well mean that of the proposed candidates at that time, the only one that added value was ND. It doesn't necessarily mean that landing some huge coup of FSU/Clemson/GT/etc wouldn't increase it.

I don't know whether the Big 12 stays at 10 or grows to 12 with Louisville + ______ or goes to 12-14 with some kind of FSU, Clemson, GT, ND, etc additions. All kinds of things that we thought were going to happen didn't (like OU to the PAC) and several things we didn't think would happen have occurred.

So I guess we'll see...

I'd say a major problem with this "news" is that it was in January. 2/3 of the folks they were talking to were from ESPN- so of course they wouldn't mention any ACC teams.

Also, they may have been evaluating only the known candidates at that point.

Clearly does not apply since the B12 is going to add ND, FSU and the NY Giants. These are done deals but can't be announced yet due to the super double secret probation clause.

(06-28-2012 11:37 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Clearly does not apply since the B12 is going to add ND, FSU and the NY Giants. These are done deals but can't be announced yet due to the super double secret probation clause.

+1

The idea that out of 115 non-Big 12 FBS schools that only ND adds value is laughable. Due to timing and who the Big 12 was looking at back then it's pretty easy to reason that BYU, the Big East, and the non-aq's were the only teams other than ND on that list.