Wake took over 30,000 fans to the Orange Bowl. If Duke ever makes it, I would expect a similiar turnout from them. Those fanbases view it as a once in a lifetime opportunity.

If Duke ever made it to the Orange Bowl, half of Durham would probably have a heart attack...

They'd show up and wonder where the basketball court on the football field is.

(06-27-2012 06:32 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Wake took over 30,000 fans to the Orange Bowl. If Duke ever makes it, I would expect a similiar turnout from them. Those fanbases view it as a once in a lifetime opportunity.

The only thing potentially more insufferable than "Wal-Mart" UNC fans would be the discover of thousands of "closet" Duke fans that would come out of the woodwork if Duke made an Orange Bowl appearance.

I'd say Duke could easily bring 50K to the Orange Bowl for a rare "one-night only" appearance.

(06-27-2012 04:11 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 03:36 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 03:26 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 07:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I just love how folks are painting this as being such a coup. It's not. ACC got a guaranteed spot in the at best 6th best game in the post-season(3 playoffs, Rose, Champions all ahead). 130 et slot in non-playoff years. Shifted when Orange does have sf probably to where ever the 6th bowl is going to be(probably again at 130et).

As far as Louisville, it doesn't change the game 1 bit. They're not going to the Big 12. PERIOD.

No offense man, but the ACC hatred coming from you is starting to get old.

For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone (except WVU, I get that they were snubbed for years by the ACC), particularly a Georgetown fan, would have some much enmity for the ACC.

Well Cuse and to a lessor extent Pitt and WVU leaving the ACC (B12) knocked the BE Basktball off the pedestal...however, if his grande ACC Hatorade scenario comes to fruition...Georgetown will get neutered back to the stone age (at best a super midmajor BB only league). GTown is close to becoming irrelevant among the BCS level leagues...and if the ACC grabs two partial members it will be either Nova or SJU joining Notre Dame. Whatever, I laugh at most of his foolish rantings.

"Mr. objective" speaks:

"I'm just saying" followed by "ACC lackeys".

I don't blame G'town fans for being upset. The BE is killing them in the same way it killed the other long time members. The sooner the hoops only schools break away the better the chance they have of staying relevant imo.

(06-28-2012 09:06 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  I don't blame G'town fans for being upset. The BE is killing them in the same way it killed the other long time members. The sooner the hoops only schools break away the better the chance they have of staying relevant imo.

It's the opposite. We don't get any better associating with Xavier, St Louis, Creighton, etc- instead of Louisville, Memphis, Temple. Even Butler and VCU- how do we know when Stevens and Smart leave they don't become DePaul?

(06-28-2012 09:10 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 09:06 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  I don't blame G'town fans for being upset. The BE is killing them in the same way it killed the other long time members. The sooner the hoops only schools break away the better the chance they have of staying relevant imo.

It's the opposite. We don't get any better associating with Xavier, St Louis, Creighton, etc- instead of Louisville, Memphis, Temple. Even Butler and VCU- how do we know when Stevens and Smart leave they don't become DePaul?

L'ville and UConn are both looking for the first exit out. So the question becomes is better to form an all hoops league or staying with whats left of the BE? I am of the opinion that you could come up with 8 or 10 east coast hoops only schools that would be head and shoulders above playing the BE football leftovers. But that is just me.

(06-28-2012 09:13 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 09:10 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 09:06 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  I don't blame G'town fans for being upset. The BE is killing them in the same way it killed the other long time members. The sooner the hoops only schools break away the better the chance they have of staying relevant imo.

It's the opposite. We don't get any better associating with Xavier, St Louis, Creighton, etc- instead of Louisville, Memphis, Temple. Even Butler and VCU- how do we know when Stevens and Smart leave they don't become DePaul?

L'ville and UConn are both looking for the first exit out. So the question becomes is better to form an all hoops league or staying with whats left of the BE? I am of the opinion that you could come up with 8 or 10 east coast hoops only schools that would be head and shoulders above playing the BE football leftovers. But that is just me.

There are NO teams out there that compare to Memphis and Temple in hoops. Not Xavier, not St Louis, not Butler. Period. IF there was a split, the football conference teams basketball league would be stronger than the basketball teams. Thanks to a few schools like DePaul, Providence.

And, where are Louisville and UConn going to go? ACC? Likely not. Big 12? No way. SEC? Big Ten? nope nope. CUSA? nope.

(06-28-2012 09:13 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  L'ville and UConn are both looking for the first exit out. So the question becomes is better to form an all hoops league or staying with whats left of the BE? I am of the opinion that you could come up with 8 or 10 east coast hoops only schools that would be head and shoulders above playing the BE football leftovers. But that is just me.

No. You don't replace Louisville. You don't replace UConn. You don't replace Syracuse.

Memphis and Temple are very good pickups, replacing Pitt and West Virginia.

Butler, Xavier, VCU, Dayton maybe balance Cincinatti, Temple and Memphis.

If Louisville and/or UConn leave, and the basketball schools split, we wouldn't be clearly better than the all-sports league.

"Coast to Coast Conference" Louisville/UConn, Cincinatti, Temple, MEmphis, plus Rutgers, USF, UCF, Houston, SMU, maybe SDSU. (Other additions possible, won't bring much b-ball power.)

"CYO League" Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, Butler, VCU, Xavier, Notre Dame (if Oklahoma blackballs them from the Big XII) plus St Johns, Providence, Dayton, Seton Hall, Depaul.

CCC is stronger at the top because of Louisville/UConn, CYO League is getting 1-2 more NCAA bids most years.

(06-28-2012 09:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 09:13 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 09:10 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 09:06 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  I don't blame G'town fans for being upset. The BE is killing them in the same way it killed the other long time members. The sooner the hoops only schools break away the better the chance they have of staying relevant imo.

It's the opposite. We don't get any better associating with Xavier, St Louis, Creighton, etc- instead of Louisville, Memphis, Temple. Even Butler and VCU- how do we know when Stevens and Smart leave they don't become DePaul?

L'ville and UConn are both looking for the first exit out. So the question becomes is better to form an all hoops league or staying with whats left of the BE? I am of the opinion that you could come up with 8 or 10 east coast hoops only schools that would be head and shoulders above playing the BE football leftovers. But that is just me.

There are NO teams out there that compare to Memphis and Temple in hoops. Not Xavier, not St Louis, not Butler. Period. IF there was a split, the football conference teams basketball league would be stronger than the basketball teams. Thanks to a few schools like DePaul, Providence.

And, where are Louisville and UConn going to go? ACC? Likely not. Big 12? No way. SEC? Big Ten? nope nope. CUSA? nope.

I don't think Memphis and Temple are all that great. Both have taken drops since losing their big time coaches.

I think UConn ends up in the ACC eventually. L'ville is not going to be left out for long. I think if the B12 does not get any ACC teams then they end up there.

Memphis since Calipari left 53 28 16
Temple last 5 years 47 30 8 30 20
That's not bad at all.

I think it's going to be a long time for UConn to get in the ACC. Do you really think if FSU is pissed about Syracuse and Pitt that they're going to want Uconn at all? I don't.

Louisville- I don't see Big 12 expanding if they don't add FSU/Clemson for a while. No reason to for them to just expand for expansion sakes.

(06-28-2012 09:36 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Memphis since Calipari left 53 28 16
Temple last 5 years 47 30 8 30 20
That's not bad at all.

I think it's going to be a long time for UConn to get in the ACC. Do you really think if FSU is pissed about Syracuse and Pitt that they're going to want Uconn at all? I don't.

Louisville- I don't see Big 12 expanding if they don't add FSU/Clemson for a while. No reason to for them to just expand for expansion sakes.

It is not bad for Memphis but some of that is the left over Caipari factor. It takes more than a couple of seasons to see the changes from a coach leaving.

I think Memphis and Temple will both be middle of the road BE teams. Better than the Depauls and Seton Halls of the world but nowhere near the upper tier of the league.

(06-28-2012 09:41 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 09:36 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Memphis since Calipari left 53 28 16
Temple last 5 years 47 30 8 30 20
That's not bad at all.

I think it's going to be a long time for UConn to get in the ACC. Do you really think if FSU is pissed about Syracuse and Pitt that they're going to want Uconn at all? I don't.

Louisville- I don't see Big 12 expanding if they don't add FSU/Clemson for a while. No reason to for them to just expand for expansion sakes.

It is not bad for Memphis but some of that is the left over Caipari factor. It takes more than a couple of seasons to see the changes from a coach leaving.

I think Memphis and Temple will both be middle of the road BE teams. Better than the Depauls and Seton Halls of the world but nowhere near the upper tier of the league.

The 53 for Memphis was the 1st year. As the years have gone on, they've gotten better and better post-Calipari.

The thing especially with Memphis is there facility. It's really good.

I'm starting to think expansion is at PAUSEX unless Notre Dame jumps to the ACC (or less likely the B12) for a partial membership. We have had a huge breakthrough in playoffs and access seems much more inclusive than the 4/16 guys ever imagined. LOL kinda like I said all along. We'll see...

(06-28-2012 09:51 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  I'm starting to think expansion is at PAUSEX unless Notre Dame jumps to the ACC (or less likely the B12) for a partial membership. We have had a huge breakthrough in playoffs and access seems much more inclusive than the 4/16 guys ever imagined. LOL kinda like I said all along. We'll see...

Totally agree. ND has played the game superbly and has brought everything to a grinding standstill.

Yeah, we get the Big East #14(or #11/12 if Boise, SDSU,Navy don't come) and then we're just about done.

(06-28-2012 10:26 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Yeah, we get the Big East #14(or #11/12 if Boise, SDSU,Navy don't come) and then we're just about done.

I agree...I think the BE will need to finish expansion and add at least one more Western FB only as a minimum. Baiscally the B12 can stay at 10 (get overpaid) and give UT/OU an easier chance to the semifinals.