Guys, scheduling for a FBS move up is tough. That is the real point I'd like to make. Schedules are made years in advance. Granted, USA had a huge advantage over GSU, UTPA, Texas State, ODU, and Charlotte in that we knew that we were definately going to FBS 4 years before we actually did so. The fear I have about GSU and TXST is that they will be left with a ULM or FAU type schedule (consisting of a FCS home game and 3 body bag games) which has done their team and the conference few favors. When Ga State announces a series with Louisville (like FIU got) or UCF, I'll cheer.

Just LOOK at FAU's OOC schedule for the next 4 years. They have exactly One OOC FBS home games scheduled. Against Miami, which will most likely be more of a 'neutral game' for them. They play at Alabama, Georgia, Nebraska, etc. Go over to fbsschedules and tell me how many of those games FAU has a reasonable chance of winning. Not many. And a pay-day game at Wyoming? Really? Did Wyoming pay you a million bucks for that game?

Starting off the season with 3 games in which you are a prohibitive underdog is not a good way to get to a bowl game or relevance in FBS.

(06-26-2012 11:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Just LOOK at FAU's OOC schedule for the next 4 years. They have exactly One OOC FBS home games scheduled. Against Miami, which will most likely be more of a 'neutral game' for them. They play at Alabama, Georgia, Nebraska, etc. Go over to fbsschedules and tell me how many of those games FAU has a reasonable chance of winning. Not many. And a pay-day game at Wyoming? Really? Did Wyoming pay you a million bucks for that game?

I do agree with you FAU's scheduleing has been rough. We have a new administration in place so hopefully that will change.

However in regards to the Wyoming game that is the return game to them of a 1 and 1. They came to our place in 2008.

(06-26-2012 11:38 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 09:31 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 10:04 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 01:55 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 01:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  While one payday game a year is fine, I will reserve congratulating Ga State when they start getting home OOC games

You jags have a lot of attitude for a team that paid-to-pad it stats. You got a 1-and-1 with NC state and you are looking down your noses at GSU?

Congrats GSU, it will be a nice payday and good experience and exposure for your players.

_____________________________________
USA OOC FBS games 2012 - 2017 (make that 6 years)

2012
8-30 UTSA (h)
9-15@NC St.
9-22@Miss. St
12-1@Hawaii

2013
9-7@Tulane
9-28@Tenn.
10-19 Kent St. (h)[i]

2014
9-6@Kent St.
9-20 Miss. St. (h)
11-8@Georgia
11-22 Navy (h)

2015
9-5 NC State (h)
9-16@Nebraska

2016
9-10@Miss. St.
10-15@LSU
11-12 Navy (h)

2017
9-2@Ole Miss
9-16 Okla. St. (h)
9-30@La. Tech

Thanks, this clearly shows y'all are not being asses because you got a couple of 2-for-1s.

Again, let me repeat, good get by GSU. Your players will benefit from the experience and the exposure. And don't worry about the scheduling snobs, when a team pads its stats with Prep school wins it doesn't give them much to talk about.

How about this, if we are in the ESPN bottom 10 for the first 8 years we are playing FBS football, you may criticize how we decided to ramp up our program. Because we certainly don't want to go the FIU route.

You mean 2 consecutive Bowl game appearances in year 6 and 7 of FBS? Get your facts straight.....

(06-26-2012 11:38 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 09:31 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 10:04 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 01:55 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 01:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  While one payday game a year is fine, I will reserve congratulating Ga State when they start getting home OOC games

You jags have a lot of attitude for a team that paid-to-pad it stats. You got a 1-and-1 with NC state and you are looking down your noses at GSU?

Congrats GSU, it will be a nice payday and good experience and exposure for your players.

_____________________________________
USA OOC FBS games 2012 - 2017 (make that 6 years)

2012
8-30 UTSA (h)
9-15@NC St.
9-22@Miss. St
12-1@Hawaii

2013
9-7@Tulane
9-28@Tenn.
10-19 Kent St. (h)[i]

2014
9-6@Kent St.
9-20 Miss. St. (h)
11-8@Georgia
11-22 Navy (h)

2015
9-5 NC State (h)
9-16@Nebraska

2016
9-10@Miss. St.
10-15@LSU
11-12 Navy (h)

2017
9-2@Ole Miss
9-16 Okla. St. (h)
9-30@La. Tech

Thanks, this clearly shows y'all are not being asses because you got a couple of 2-for-1s.

Again, let me repeat, good get by GSU. Your players will benefit from the experience and the exposure. And don't worry about the scheduling snobs, when a team pads its stats with Prep school wins it doesn't give them much to talk about.

How about this, if we are in the ESPN bottom 10 for the first 8 years we are playing FBS football, you may criticize how we decided to ramp up our program. Because we certainly don't want to go the FIU route.

Actually I would have loved for FIU to come into FBS on our own terms. Instead we were asked to throw our timetable out the window and join the belt earlier then planned. Because we did that, because FAU and Troy jumped in when they did, the Jags get to play Prep teams and be schedule snobs. You are snobs not only to teams that only knew a few months ago they would be FBS but also a team that beat Alabama at home.

Yeah, we got kicked around and paid our due in the bottom 10, result? Back to back bowl games and a conference championship.

Your program has taken zero risk. Instead of getting in there and taking its lumps to build a conference, you choose to wait and see how the conference "pans out". And now you want to tell teams how to schedule?

(06-26-2012 12:27 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 11:38 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 09:31 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 10:04 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 01:55 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  You jags have a lot of attitude for a team that paid-to-pad it stats. You got a 1-and-1 with NC state and you are looking down your noses at GSU?

Congrats GSU, it will be a nice payday and good experience and exposure for your players.

_____________________________________
USA OOC FBS games 2012 - 2017 (make that 6 years)

2012
8-30 UTSA (h)
9-15@NC St.
9-22@Miss. St
12-1@Hawaii

2013
9-7@Tulane
9-28@Tenn.
10-19 Kent St. (h)[i]

2014
9-6@Kent St.
9-20 Miss. St. (h)
11-8@Georgia
11-22 Navy (h)

2015
9-5 NC State (h)
9-16@Nebraska

2016
9-10@Miss. St.
10-15@LSU
11-12 Navy (h)

2017
9-2@Ole Miss
9-16 Okla. St. (h)
9-30@La. Tech

Thanks, this clearly shows y'all are not being asses because you got a couple of 2-for-1s.

Again, let me repeat, good get by GSU. Your players will benefit from the experience and the exposure. And don't worry about the scheduling snobs, when a team pads its stats with Prep school wins it doesn't give them much to talk about.

How about this, if we are in the ESPN bottom 10 for the first 8 years we are playing FBS football, you may criticize how we decided to ramp up our program. Because we certainly don't want to go the FIU route.

Actually I would have loved for FIU to come into FBS on our own terms. Instead we were asked to throw our timetable out the window and join the belt earlier then planned. Because we did that, because FAU and Troy jumped in when they did, the Jags get to play Prep teams and be schedule snobs. You are snobs not only to teams that only knew a few months ago they would be FBS but also a team that beat Alabama at home.

Yeah, we got kicked around and paid our due in the bottom 10, result? Back to back bowl games and a conference championship.

Your program has taken zero risk. Instead of getting in there and taking its lumps to build a conference, you choose to wait and see how the conference "pans out". And now you want to tell teams how to schedule?

Their decision to move FBS the way they have has paid dividends in fan support. People like a winner, something they've had every single season thus far, it will stop this year, but as long as fan support is there, they will be able to recruit decent players and it won't take them 6-7 years in FBS to be competitive, I'd say more like 2-3 years to get the players in place.

UTSA got some insane home and home set ups and 2-1s before they played a down or had a FBS conference invite. I would have to think GSU could do the same. Huge stadium in a major city. Of course UTSA has the benefit of being the only team in their town.

I hope Texas St continues to set up home and homes as they have. Our AD has said his goal is one bodybag at, a FBS home and home, and a fcs team (which could be subbed for another FBS home and home if available).

(06-26-2012 12:46 PM)Tuffguy21 Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 12:27 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 11:38 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 09:31 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 10:04 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  _____________________________________
USA OOC FBS games 2012 - 2017 (make that 6 years)

2012
8-30 UTSA (h)
9-15@NC St.
9-22@Miss. St
12-1@Hawaii

2013
9-7@Tulane
9-28@Tenn.
10-19 Kent St. (h)[i]

2014
9-6@Kent St.
9-20 Miss. St. (h)
11-8@Georgia
11-22 Navy (h)

2015
9-5 NC State (h)
9-16@Nebraska

2016
9-10@Miss. St.
10-15@LSU
11-12 Navy (h)

2017
9-2@Ole Miss
9-16 Okla. St. (h)
9-30@La. Tech

Thanks, this clearly shows y'all are not being asses because you got a couple of 2-for-1s.

Again, let me repeat, good get by GSU. Your players will benefit from the experience and the exposure. And don't worry about the scheduling snobs, when a team pads its stats with Prep school wins it doesn't give them much to talk about.

How about this, if we are in the ESPN bottom 10 for the first 8 years we are playing FBS football, you may criticize how we decided to ramp up our program. Because we certainly don't want to go the FIU route.

Actually I would have loved for FIU to come into FBS on our own terms. Instead we were asked to throw our timetable out the window and join the belt earlier then planned. Because we did that, because FAU and Troy jumped in when they did, the Jags get to play Prep teams and be schedule snobs. You are snobs not only to teams that only knew a few months ago they would be FBS but also a team that beat Alabama at home.

Yeah, we got kicked around and paid our due in the bottom 10, result? Back to back bowl games and a conference championship.

Your program has taken zero risk. Instead of getting in there and taking its lumps to build a conference, you choose to wait and see how the conference "pans out". And now you want to tell teams how to schedule?

Their decision to move FBS the way they have has paid dividends in fan support. People like a winner, something they've had every single season thus far, it will stop this year, but as long as fan support is there, they will be able to recruit decent players and it won't take them 6-7 years in FBS to be competitive, I'd say more like 2-3 years to get the players in place.

Again zero risk and all the rewards. They didn't throw their schedule out for the sake of the conference. They choose not to endure the ridicule of playing football in the early days of the belt. They have simply jumped on the bandwagon after the heavy lifting has been done and can plot the perfect path to FBS. To now sit on their high horse and tell other teams what they should and shouldn't do seems hypocritical to me.

You chose your path and you don't want others to be critical of it then let others choose their path without berating them.

(06-26-2012 12:46 PM)Tuffguy21 Wrote:  Their decision to move FBS the way they have has paid dividends in fan support. People like a winner, something they've had every single season thus far, it will stop this year, but as long as fan support is there, they will be able to recruit decent players and it won't take them 6-7 years in FBS to be competitive, I'd say more like 2-3 years to get the players in place.

But FIU4Ever's point is that FAU and FIU didnt HAVE that luxury.

Neither school was truly ready to enter FBS since both programs were so new. It would of behooved both to stay in FCS for a few more years, perhaps win a championship or 2 and build the Fan Base and infrastructure.

Unfortuanetly the SBC got pillaged, and needed us to survive. Both programs moved up our time lines because it was a great opportunity and the SBC needed us to survive.

Both programs suffered for a few years and still do to a degree because of that early move up.

USA was ABLE to do it the way they wanted, and the way many would like to do thanks to FAU and FIU "taking the bullet" to save SBC football.

(06-26-2012 11:38 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 09:31 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 10:04 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 01:55 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 01:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  While one payday game a year is fine, I will reserve congratulating Ga State when they start getting home OOC games

You jags have a lot of attitude for a team that paid-to-pad it stats. You got a 1-and-1 with NC state and you are looking down your noses at GSU?

Congrats GSU, it will be a nice payday and good experience and exposure for your players.

_____________________________________
USA OOC FBS games 2012 - 2017 (make that 6 years)

2012
8-30 UTSA (h)
9-15@NC St.
9-22@Miss. St
12-1@Hawaii

2013
9-7@Tulane
9-28@Tenn.
10-19 Kent St. (h)[i]

2014
9-6@Kent St.
9-20 Miss. St. (h)
11-8@Georgia
11-22 Navy (h)

2015
9-5 NC State (h)
9-16@Nebraska

2016
9-10@Miss. St.
10-15@LSU
11-12 Navy (h)

2017
9-2@Ole Miss
9-16 Okla. St. (h)
9-30@La. Tech

Thanks, this clearly shows y'all are not being asses because you got a couple of 2-for-1s.

Again, let me repeat, good get by GSU. Your players will benefit from the experience and the exposure. And don't worry about the scheduling snobs, when a team pads its stats with Prep school wins it doesn't give them much to talk about.

How about this, if we are in the ESPN bottom 10 for the first 8 years we are playing FBS football, you may criticize how we decided to ramp up our program. Because we certainly don't want to go the FIU route.

His team is headed for coosa, so, who really gives a rat's arse what he thinks? Florida Internet University, with their enormous commuter population has finally had a decent year and they're ready for Notre Dame, USCw, and Boise.

(06-26-2012 01:18 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 11:38 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 09:31 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 10:04 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 01:55 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  You jags have a lot of attitude for a team that paid-to-pad it stats. You got a 1-and-1 with NC state and you are looking down your noses at GSU?

Congrats GSU, it will be a nice payday and good experience and exposure for your players.

_____________________________________
USA OOC FBS games 2012 - 2017 (make that 6 years)

2012
8-30 UTSA (h)
9-15@NC St.
9-22@Miss. St
12-1@Hawaii

2013
9-7@Tulane
9-28@Tenn.
10-19 Kent St. (h)[i]

2014
9-6@Kent St.
9-20 Miss. St. (h)
11-8@Georgia
11-22 Navy (h)

2015
9-5 NC State (h)
9-16@Nebraska

2016
9-10@Miss. St.
10-15@LSU
11-12 Navy (h)

2017
9-2@Ole Miss
9-16 Okla. St. (h)
9-30@La. Tech

Thanks, this clearly shows y'all are not being asses because you got a couple of 2-for-1s.

Again, let me repeat, good get by GSU. Your players will benefit from the experience and the exposure. And don't worry about the scheduling snobs, when a team pads its stats with Prep school wins it doesn't give them much to talk about.

How about this, if we are in the ESPN bottom 10 for the first 8 years we are playing FBS football, you may criticize how we decided to ramp up our program. Because we certainly don't want to go the FIU route.

His team is headed for coosa, so, who really gives a rat's arse what he thinks? Florida Internet University, with their enormous commuter population has finally had a decent year and they're ready for Notre Dame, USCw, and Boise.

Classy. When you cannot defend your point, switch to name calling. However it still does not negate the fact that you played against Prep schools and y'all are taking advantage of the sweat of all the current football members of the belt. yes, even the sweat of FAU & ULM with their money games.

(06-26-2012 12:27 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 11:38 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 09:31 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 10:04 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 01:55 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  You jags have a lot of attitude for a team that paid-to-pad it stats. You got a 1-and-1 with NC state and you are looking down your noses at GSU?

Congrats GSU, it will be a nice payday and good experience and exposure for your players.

_____________________________________
USA OOC FBS games 2012 - 2017 (make that 6 years)

2012
8-30 UTSA (h)
9-15@NC St.
9-22@Miss. St
12-1@Hawaii

2013
9-7@Tulane
9-28@Tenn.
10-19 Kent St. (h)[i]

2014
9-6@Kent St.
9-20 Miss. St. (h)
11-8@Georgia
11-22 Navy (h)

2015
9-5 NC State (h)
9-16@Nebraska

2016
9-10@Miss. St.
10-15@LSU
11-12 Navy (h)

2017
9-2@Ole Miss
9-16 Okla. St. (h)
9-30@La. Tech

Thanks, this clearly shows y'all are not being asses because you got a couple of 2-for-1s.

Again, let me repeat, good get by GSU. Your players will benefit from the experience and the exposure. And don't worry about the scheduling snobs, when a team pads its stats with Prep school wins it doesn't give them much to talk about.

How about this, if we are in the ESPN bottom 10 for the first 8 years we are playing FBS football, you may criticize how we decided to ramp up our program. Because we certainly don't want to go the FIU route.

Actually I would have loved for FIU to come into FBS on our own terms. Instead we were asked to throw our timetable out the window and join the belt earlier then planned. Because we did that, because FAU and Troy jumped in when they did, the Jags get to play Prep teams and be schedule snobs. You are snobs not only to teams that only knew a few months ago they would be FBS but also a team that beat Alabama at home.

Yeah, we got kicked around and paid our due in the bottom 10, result? Back to back bowl games and a conference championship.

Your program has taken zero risk. Instead of getting in there and taking its lumps to build a conference, you choose to wait and see how the conference "pans out". And now you want to tell teams how to schedule?

Does anybody know what the hell this guy is talking about? Schedule snobs? You're ridiculous.

Our first year schedule was lite, for sure. But frankly, no one knew how much talent we'd have and how we'd progress. We were starting from literally scratch. Having not a single football player to playing a 7 game schedule in a year and a half. So yeah, looking back on it, we could've scheduled tougher in year 1.

But it doesn't matter. I'm just fine with the way we did it. Instilled a winning attitude, helped get some confidence under our players, our coaches, and our fanbase. Believe me though, by the end of year 1, we were ready to play tougher competition. Beating those prep schools 54-3 became boring.

Year 2 was a different story. No one thought we'd go undefeated year 2. But we did. I don't care who you play - to show up every single game, and not have that "letdown", regardless of who you're playing is an accomplishment. Ask GaSt - they lost to teams they'll freely admit they shouldn't have. Only natural to have a hiccup against an inferior opponent. But we didn't. We beat everyone those first two years. Started out the program 19-0. And the only non-FBS teams we have EVER lost to were GaSt last year (a 2OT loss), and Cal Poly (spanked us last game of the year).

To act like we somehow did something wrong though by progressing the schedule the way we did, is just, well, retarded.

(06-26-2012 02:36 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 12:27 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 11:38 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 09:31 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 10:04 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  _____________________________________
USA OOC FBS games 2012 - 2017 (make that 6 years)

2012
8-30 UTSA (h)
9-15@NC St.
9-22@Miss. St
12-1@Hawaii

2013
9-7@Tulane
9-28@Tenn.
10-19 Kent St. (h)[i]

2014
9-6@Kent St.
9-20 Miss. St. (h)
11-8@Georgia
11-22 Navy (h)

2015
9-5 NC State (h)
9-16@Nebraska

2016
9-10@Miss. St.
10-15@LSU
11-12 Navy (h)

2017
9-2@Ole Miss
9-16 Okla. St. (h)
9-30@La. Tech

Thanks, this clearly shows y'all are not being asses because you got a couple of 2-for-1s.

Again, let me repeat, good get by GSU. Your players will benefit from the experience and the exposure. And don't worry about the scheduling snobs, when a team pads its stats with Prep school wins it doesn't give them much to talk about.

How about this, if we are in the ESPN bottom 10 for the first 8 years we are playing FBS football, you may criticize how we decided to ramp up our program. Because we certainly don't want to go the FIU route.

Actually I would have loved for FIU to come into FBS on our own terms. Instead we were asked to throw our timetable out the window and join the belt earlier then planned. Because we did that, because FAU and Troy jumped in when they did, the Jags get to play Prep teams and be schedule snobs. You are snobs not only to teams that only knew a few months ago they would be FBS but also a team that beat Alabama at home.

Yeah, we got kicked around and paid our due in the bottom 10, result? Back to back bowl games and a conference championship.

Your program has taken zero risk. Instead of getting in there and taking its lumps to build a conference, you choose to wait and see how the conference "pans out". And now you want to tell teams how to schedule?

Does anybody know what the hell this guy is talking about? Schedule snobs? You're ridiculous.

Our first year schedule was lite, for sure. But frankly, no one knew how much talent we'd have and how we'd progress. We were starting from literally scratch. Having not a single football player to playing a 7 game schedule in a year and a half. So yeah, looking back on it, we could've scheduled tougher in year 1.

But it doesn't matter. I'm just fine with the way we did it. Instilled a winning attitude, helped get some confidence under our players, our coaches, and our fanbase. Believe me though, by the end of year 1, we were ready to play tougher competition. Beating those prep schools 54-3 became boring.

Year 2 was a different story. No one thought we'd go undefeated year 2. But we did. I don't care who you play - to show up every single game, and not have that "letdown", regardless of who you're playing is an accomplishment. Ask GaSt - they lost to teams they'll freely admit they shouldn't have. Only natural to have a hiccup against an inferior opponent. But we didn't. We beat everyone those first two years. Started out the program 19-0. And the only non-FBS teams we have EVER lost to were GaSt last year (a 2OT loss), and Cal Poly (spanked us last game of the year).

To act like we somehow did something wrong though by progressing the schedule the way we did, is just, well, retarded.

Telling a fan of a team to "talk to me when you have a home-home scheduled" is being snobbish. You don't think so?

I'm just pointing out that we all got here by different paths, so let's not pull out our soap box and start preaching to anyone about right and wrong ways of getting things done.

(06-26-2012 01:03 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 12:46 PM)Tuffguy21 Wrote:  Their decision to move FBS the way they have has paid dividends in fan support. People like a winner, something they've had every single season thus far, it will stop this year, but as long as fan support is there, they will be able to recruit decent players and it won't take them 6-7 years in FBS to be competitive, I'd say more like 2-3 years to get the players in place.

But FIU4Ever's point is that FAU and FIU didnt HAVE that luxury.

Neither school was truly ready to enter FBS since both programs were so new. It would of behooved both to stay in FCS for a few more years, perhaps win a championship or 2 and build the Fan Base and infrastructure.

Unfortuanetly the SBC got pillaged, and needed us to survive. Both programs moved up our time lines because it was a great opportunity and the SBC needed us to survive.

Both programs suffered for a few years and still do to a degree because of that early move up.

USA was ABLE to do it the way they wanted, and the way many would like to do thanks to FAU and FIU "taking the bullet" to save SBC football.

Ok? And? What does FIU or FAU's speedy entrance have anything to do with being able to pass some kind of judgement on USA's entrance into FBS?

The FIU guy is trying to say that we should've jumped in blindly, without preparation because they did? Really? Is anybody else rolling their eyes?

I'll say this though - we did have a feasibility study done back in 1999/2000 that, at the time, found that we weren't ready for football yet. The university was in a much different position than it would be 7 years later. Other sports and facilities needed attention, plus we needed to meet Title 9 requirements. Over the next 7 years, many of our sport facilities received renovations, state appropriations were at an all time high, and the university was doing well financially. Fall 2007 rolls around, the students begin the push, admin listens, and December 2007 we announce the creation of a football program. Simple as that.

(06-26-2012 02:40 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 02:36 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 12:27 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 11:38 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 09:31 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  Thanks, this clearly shows y'all are not being asses because you got a couple of 2-for-1s.

Again, let me repeat, good get by GSU. Your players will benefit from the experience and the exposure. And don't worry about the scheduling snobs, when a team pads its stats with Prep school wins it doesn't give them much to talk about.

How about this, if we are in the ESPN bottom 10 for the first 8 years we are playing FBS football, you may criticize how we decided to ramp up our program. Because we certainly don't want to go the FIU route.

Actually I would have loved for FIU to come into FBS on our own terms. Instead we were asked to throw our timetable out the window and join the belt earlier then planned. Because we did that, because FAU and Troy jumped in when they did, the Jags get to play Prep teams and be schedule snobs. You are snobs not only to teams that only knew a few months ago they would be FBS but also a team that beat Alabama at home.

Yeah, we got kicked around and paid our due in the bottom 10, result? Back to back bowl games and a conference championship.

Your program has taken zero risk. Instead of getting in there and taking its lumps to build a conference, you choose to wait and see how the conference "pans out". And now you want to tell teams how to schedule?

Does anybody know what the hell this guy is talking about? Schedule snobs? You're ridiculous.

Our first year schedule was lite, for sure. But frankly, no one knew how much talent we'd have and how we'd progress. We were starting from literally scratch. Having not a single football player to playing a 7 game schedule in a year and a half. So yeah, looking back on it, we could've scheduled tougher in year 1.

But it doesn't matter. I'm just fine with the way we did it. Instilled a winning attitude, helped get some confidence under our players, our coaches, and our fanbase. Believe me though, by the end of year 1, we were ready to play tougher competition. Beating those prep schools 54-3 became boring.

Year 2 was a different story. No one thought we'd go undefeated year 2. But we did. I don't care who you play - to show up every single game, and not have that "letdown", regardless of who you're playing is an accomplishment. Ask GaSt - they lost to teams they'll freely admit they shouldn't have. Only natural to have a hiccup against an inferior opponent. But we didn't. We beat everyone those first two years. Started out the program 19-0. And the only non-FBS teams we have EVER lost to were GaSt last year (a 2OT loss), and Cal Poly (spanked us last game of the year).

To act like we somehow did something wrong though by progressing the schedule the way we did, is just, well, retarded.

Telling a fan of a team to "talk to me when you have a home-home scheduled" is being snobbish. You don't think so?

I'm just pointing out that we all got here by different paths, so let's not pull out our soap box and start preaching to anyone about right and wrong ways of getting things done.

You were the one who started preaching!!!!!!! My god.

"While one payday game a year is fine, I will reserve congratulating Ga State when they start getting home OOC games" is what was said.

1) Whoopdy doo
2) They don't have any yet
3) Even is this did somehow give you legitimate ammo to go off on the tangent you did, it all of the sudden becomes all USA fans are schedule snobs, we didn't build our program the right way, played nothing but prep schools, etc.

You're ridiculous.

(06-26-2012 01:00 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 12:46 PM)Tuffguy21 Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 12:27 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 11:38 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 09:31 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  Thanks, this clearly shows y'all are not being asses because you got a couple of 2-for-1s.

Again, let me repeat, good get by GSU. Your players will benefit from the experience and the exposure. And don't worry about the scheduling snobs, when a team pads its stats with Prep school wins it doesn't give them much to talk about.

How about this, if we are in the ESPN bottom 10 for the first 8 years we are playing FBS football, you may criticize how we decided to ramp up our program. Because we certainly don't want to go the FIU route.

Actually I would have loved for FIU to come into FBS on our own terms. Instead we were asked to throw our timetable out the window and join the belt earlier then planned. Because we did that, because FAU and Troy jumped in when they did, the Jags get to play Prep teams and be schedule snobs. You are snobs not only to teams that only knew a few months ago they would be FBS but also a team that beat Alabama at home.

Yeah, we got kicked around and paid our due in the bottom 10, result? Back to back bowl games and a conference championship.

Your program has taken zero risk. Instead of getting in there and taking its lumps to build a conference, you choose to wait and see how the conference "pans out". And now you want to tell teams how to schedule?

Their decision to move FBS the way they have has paid dividends in fan support. People like a winner, something they've had every single season thus far, it will stop this year, but as long as fan support is there, they will be able to recruit decent players and it won't take them 6-7 years in FBS to be competitive, I'd say more like 2-3 years to get the players in place.

Again zero risk and all the rewards. They didn't throw their schedule out for the sake of the conference. They choose not to endure the ridicule of playing football in the early days of the belt. They have simply jumped on the bandwagon after the heavy lifting has been done and can plot the perfect path to FBS. To now sit on their high horse and tell other teams what they should and shouldn't do seems hypocritical to me.

You chose your path and you don't want others to be critical of it then let others choose their path without berating them.

Said by you . . . "so let's not pull out our soap box and start preaching to anyone about right and wrong ways of getting things done."

We, and by we you mean one poster who made a relatively benign comment, sit on our high horse?

That's pretty dang funny. There's that delicious irony again.

FIU is a CUSA program and left at the first opportunity (unlike UNT) and; therefore, have done no one any favors. It's their right but they acted solely in their best interests at each opportunity. They acted in their own interests and "not to save the Belt.". No other conference would have taken them until now and they got something valuable, ie the opportunity to play FBS, out of whatever difficulties were endured.

Tom makes a good point about scheduling. USA did get the benefit of having the football conference stabilize BUT there wouldn't have been a Sun Belt if USA hadn't stayed with it for 35 years. I dont think that anyone can claim we piggybacked off anyone.

All the Belt AD's should be more proactive about scheduling.

Ok, how about this:

(06-26-2012 11:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  ... The fear I have about GSU and TXST is that they will be left with a ULM or FAU type schedule (consisting of a FCS home game and 3 body bag games) which has done their team and the conference few favors. When Ga State announces a series with Louisville (like FIU got) or UCF, I'll cheer.

Just LOOK at FAU's OOC schedule for the next 4 years. They have exactly One OOC FBS home games scheduled. Against Miami, which will most likely be more of a 'neutral game' for them. They play at Alabama, Georgia, Nebraska, etc. Go over to fbsschedules and tell me how many of those games FAU has a reasonable chance of winning. Not many. And a pay-day game at Wyoming? Really? Did Wyoming pay you a million bucks for that game?

Ridiculous? Right.

(06-26-2012 02:24 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 01:18 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 11:38 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 09:31 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 10:04 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  _____________________________________
USA OOC FBS games 2012 - 2017 (make that 6 years)

2012
8-30 UTSA (h)
9-15@NC St.
9-22@Miss. St
12-1@Hawaii

2013
9-7@Tulane
9-28@Tenn.
10-19 Kent St. (h)[i]

2014
9-6@Kent St.
9-20 Miss. St. (h)
11-8@Georgia
11-22 Navy (h)

2015
9-5 NC State (h)
9-16@Nebraska

2016
9-10@Miss. St.
10-15@LSU
11-12 Navy (h)

2017
9-2@Ole Miss
9-16 Okla. St. (h)
9-30@La. Tech

Thanks, this clearly shows y'all are not being asses because you got a couple of 2-for-1s.

Again, let me repeat, good get by GSU. Your players will benefit from the experience and the exposure. And don't worry about the scheduling snobs, when a team pads its stats with Prep school wins it doesn't give them much to talk about.

How about this, if we are in the ESPN bottom 10 for the first 8 years we are playing FBS football, you may criticize how we decided to ramp up our program. Because we certainly don't want to go the FIU route.

His team is headed for coosa, so, who really gives a rat's arse what he thinks? Florida Internet University, with their enormous commuter population has finally had a decent year and they're ready for Notre Dame, USCw, and Boise.

Classy. When you cannot defend your point, switch to name calling. However it still does not negate the fact that you played against Prep schools and y'all are taking advantage of the sweat of all the current football members of the belt. yes, even the sweat of FAU & ULM with their money games.

Classy. When you have no idea what you're talking about, you just keep throwing "played against prep schools" out there, ignoring everything else.

2009 (had at most, 25 scholarship players)
4 prep school/military academies
2 JCs
1 D3
7-0 w/l

2010 (could've had, at most, 50 scholarship players, but fairly certain it was less)
4 FCS
A few D2 schools, a few D3 schools, and one NAIA (somewhere thereabouts)
10-0 w/l

2011 (could've had up to 75, but again, don't think we had quite that many)
2 FBS
5 FCS
3 D2/D3 schools
6-4 w/l - lost to the two FBS schools by 22 and 8 points. Lost to GaSt by 7 in 2OT. Got hammered by Cal Poly last game of the year.

(06-26-2012 01:00 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 12:46 PM)Tuffguy21 Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 12:27 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 11:38 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 09:31 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  Thanks, this clearly shows y'all are not being asses because you got a couple of 2-for-1s.

Again, let me repeat, good get by GSU. Your players will benefit from the experience and the exposure. And don't worry about the scheduling snobs, when a team pads its stats with Prep school wins it doesn't give them much to talk about.

How about this, if we are in the ESPN bottom 10 for the first 8 years we are playing FBS football, you may criticize how we decided to ramp up our program. Because we certainly don't want to go the FIU route.

Actually I would have loved for FIU to come into FBS on our own terms. Instead we were asked to throw our timetable out the window and join the belt earlier then planned. Because we did that, because FAU and Troy jumped in when they did, the Jags get to play Prep teams and be schedule snobs. You are snobs not only to teams that only knew a few months ago they would be FBS but also a team that beat Alabama at home.

Yeah, we got kicked around and paid our due in the bottom 10, result? Back to back bowl games and a conference championship.

Your program has taken zero risk. Instead of getting in there and taking its lumps to build a conference, you choose to wait and see how the conference "pans out". And now you want to tell teams how to schedule?

Their decision to move FBS the way they have has paid dividends in fan support. People like a winner, something they've had every single season thus far, it will stop this year, but as long as fan support is there, they will be able to recruit decent players and it won't take them 6-7 years in FBS to be competitive, I'd say more like 2-3 years to get the players in place.

Again zero risk and all the rewards. They didn't throw their schedule out for the sake of the conference. They choose not to endure the ridicule of playing football in the early days of the belt. They have simply jumped on the bandwagon after the heavy lifting has been done and can plot the perfect path to FBS. To now sit on their high horse and tell other teams what they should and shouldn't do seems hypocritical to me.

You chose your path and you don't want others to be critical of it then let others choose their path without berating them.

Please spare me your 'we did so much for the Sun Belt' speech. You got a place to go FBS, you stank up the place for years, then you LEFT when you were able to pay dividends back to the conference that gave you a home.

(06-26-2012 02:57 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  Ok, how about this:

(06-26-2012 11:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  ... The fear I have about GSU and TXST is that they will be left with a ULM or FAU type schedule (consisting of a FCS home game and 3 body bag games) which has done their team and the conference few favors. When Ga State announces a series with Louisville (like FIU got) or UCF, I'll cheer.

Just LOOK at FAU's OOC schedule for the next 4 years. They have exactly One OOC FBS home games scheduled. Against Miami, which will most likely be more of a 'neutral game' for them. They play at Alabama, Georgia, Nebraska, etc. Go over to fbsschedules and tell me how many of those games FAU has a reasonable chance of winning. Not many. And a pay-day game at Wyoming? Really? Did Wyoming pay you a million bucks for that game?

Ridiculous? Right.

What? You don't think there's some merit to that? That, those programs mentioned have scheduled nothing but payday/away OOC games, instead of 2-1, or 2-2's? That's not being a schedule snob dude. Get over yourself.