(06-21-2012 03:34 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-21-2012 07:06 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  If CUSA loses any more schools, I could see some a couple of teams returning to the SBC.

I couldn't dissagree more. A couple is two. The Sun Belt has only ever lost two teams to C-USA (UNT & FIU). UNT won't move back to the Sun Belt so long as some combination of Rice, UTEP, and Tulsa remain in C-USA. I don't know what FIU would do.

UAB, UCF, and LaTech were all former Sun Belt teams.
Though they didn't go straight to CUSA.
If any of them rejoined, it would be a "return".

UCF would be a nice add if CUSA fell apart.
But they are BE bound anyway....

meh to UAB and LT. We already have two schools in each state.

I wouldnt want UAB back in the Sun Belt, they suck at everything but basketball. They dont bring enough to the table to make them an attractive program.

As if this were even an option....LOL

(06-21-2012 07:59 PM)panama Wrote:  As if this were even an option....LOL

Yeah. We're just spit-balling because the offseason is boring.

...and very

(06-21-2012 06:14 PM)Dedsquirrl Wrote:  

(06-21-2012 03:34 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-21-2012 07:06 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  If CUSA loses any more schools, I could see some a couple of teams returning to the SBC.

I couldn't dissagree more. A couple is two. The Sun Belt has only ever lost two teams to C-USA (UNT & FIU). UNT won't move back to the Sun Belt so long as some combination of Rice, UTEP, and Tulsa remain in C-USA. I don't know what FIU would do.

UAB, UCF, and LaTech were all former Sun Belt teams.
Though they didn't go straight to CUSA.
If any of them rejoined, it would be a "return".

UCF would be a nice add if CUSA fell apart.
But they are BE bound anyway....

meh to UAB and LT. We already have two schools in each state.

I thought this thread was about football. I don't believe those teams ever played one down in the Sun Belt.

Back to my point... I don't think they would come back to the Belt either. I like the Sun Belt, but I can't see any situation where the Big East or C-USA become so weak, that returning to the Sun Belt would make more financial sense.

The offseason:

FWIW.......Old Dominion and Charlotte were also past members of the Sun Belt.

(06-21-2012 09:32 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  If rumors (rather than the denials) are true Notre Dame is courting the Big XII and ACC for a deal like they have with the Big East. If true and one of them bites, I think the next step is the basketball schools take their ball and go home. That will not have a positive impact on their TV deal and heighten the instability there.

I think the possibility remains that the Big East will spin apart and reform into something that looks a lot like C-USA circa 2004.

Keep in mind those basketball schools are only of value in the context of having Notre Dame as part of the group to maximize. Notre Dame vs. DePaul, Notre Dame vs. Marquette, Notre Dame vs. Georgetown, Notre Dame vs. Villanova are all heavy weight matchups.

The balance in the Big East football and basketball members is 10/7 with Villanova a quasi football vote. The basketball schools would probably be willing to suck it up and add Tulane for the sake of remaining part of a top tier athletic conference.

There was significant discussion after Syracuse and Pitt left about the Big East basketball schools splitting which didn't as we know happen for the sake of no better option available for the basketballers. The loss of Notre Dame places the basketball schools in an even more desperate situation, IMO.

There is a distinction between the short term for the SBC (which probably won't be any different) and the long term..

Long term the SBC may have the most potential of CUSA (14 teams with dead wood), MWC (not enough recruiting base) and MAC (struggles as a midwest based conference).

For example Troy goes on a big 4 year run in the Top 20 and the SBC is able to land 4 quality Southern bowls.....Could Southern Miss or ECU or whoever is trapped in CUSA at that point join the SBC?

The landscape has degenerated to the point among CUSA where that is a real possibility for the first time. I do believe the SBC was able to get itself stronger top to bottom shedding Denver and the double Miami market (FIU) while 2 new markets in Georgia State and Texas State.

What about the Sun Belt accepting Southern Miss as a non-football school in the even they move to the Big East football only and ECU as a non-football school as they move independent? Partial arrangements cannot be dismissed.

If a prospective member plays football, they need to play in the SBC conference, or no sports are invited.
This ain't Ellis Island.

(06-22-2012 03:45 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(06-21-2012 09:32 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  If rumors (rather than the denials) are true Notre Dame is courting the Big XII and ACC for a deal like they have with the Big East. If true and one of them bites, I think the next step is the basketball schools take their ball and go home. That will not have a positive impact on their TV deal and heighten the instability there.

I think the possibility remains that the Big East will spin apart and reform into something that looks a lot like C-USA circa 2004.

Keep in mind those basketball schools are only of value in the context of having Notre Dame as part of the group to maximize. Notre Dame vs. DePaul, Notre Dame vs. Marquette, Notre Dame vs. Georgetown, Notre Dame vs. Villanova are all heavy weight matchups.

The balance in the Big East football and basketball members is 10/7 with Villanova a quasi football vote. The basketball schools would probably be willing to suck it up and add Tulane for the sake of remaining part of a top tier athletic conference.

There was significant discussion after Syracuse and Pitt left about the Big East basketball schools splitting which didn't as we know happen for the sake of no better option available for the basketballers. The loss of Notre Dame places the basketball schools in an even more desperate situation, IMO.

'Nova is not a quasi-football vote. They put together a plan to move to FBS and join Big East football, the football schools vetoed that plan and admitted Temple over their objection.

Cold day in hell before 'Nova sides with the football schools.

(06-22-2012 01:18 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 03:45 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(06-21-2012 09:32 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  If rumors (rather than the denials) are true Notre Dame is courting the Big XII and ACC for a deal like they have with the Big East. If true and one of them bites, I think the next step is the basketball schools take their ball and go home. That will not have a positive impact on their TV deal and heighten the instability there.

I think the possibility remains that the Big East will spin apart and reform into something that looks a lot like C-USA circa 2004.

Keep in mind those basketball schools are only of value in the context of having Notre Dame as part of the group to maximize. Notre Dame vs. DePaul, Notre Dame vs. Marquette, Notre Dame vs. Georgetown, Notre Dame vs. Villanova are all heavy weight matchups.

The balance in the Big East football and basketball members is 10/7 with Villanova a quasi football vote. The basketball schools would probably be willing to suck it up and add Tulane for the sake of remaining part of a top tier athletic conference.

There was significant discussion after Syracuse and Pitt left about the Big East basketball schools splitting which didn't as we know happen for the sake of no better option available for the basketballers. The loss of Notre Dame places the basketball schools in an even more desperate situation, IMO.

'Nova is not a quasi-football vote. They put together a plan to move to FBS and join Big East football, the football schools vetoed that plan and admitted Temple over their objection.

Cold day in hell before 'Nova sides with the football schools.

I don't if you can take an absolute position if your Villanova right now if the alternative is to exist in total obscurity.

I know this won't mean much to anyone here, but on the Niner board we have a source who almost certainly works within the AD (although one of us know who it actually is). He is always spot on with any info he gives out.

Anyway, he said look for the SBC to add Ga. Southern and SF Austin.

SF Austin seems like a weird choice, so I'm skeptical, but like I said, he has been a solid provider of info in the past.

He could very well be wrong, but just thought I'd drop this off over here.

(06-22-2012 06:38 PM)Niner National Wrote:  I know this won't mean much to anyone here, but on the Niner board we have a source who almost certainly works within the AD (although one of us know who it actually is). He is always spot on with any info he gives out.

Anyway, he said look for the SBC to add Ga. Southern and SF Austin.

SF Austin seems like a weird choice, so I'm skeptical, but like I said, he has been a solid provider of info in the past.

He could very well be wrong, but just thought I'd drop this off over here.

Austin is especially strange right in UT's back yard. I would think Lamar would make more sense for the SBC and has more of a name.

(06-22-2012 06:38 PM)Niner National Wrote:  I know this won't mean much to anyone here, but on the Niner board we have a source who almost certainly works within the AD (although one of us know who it actually is). He is always spot on with any info he gives out.

Anyway, he said look for the SBC to add Ga. Southern and SF Austin.

SF Austin seems like a weird choice, so I'm skeptical, but like I said, he has been a solid provider of info in the past.

He could very well be wrong, but just thought I'd drop this off over here.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Must be June

(06-22-2012 10:09 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 06:38 PM)Niner National Wrote:  I know this won't mean much to anyone here, but on the Niner board we have a source who almost certainly works within the AD (although one of us know who it actually is). He is always spot on with any info he gives out.

Anyway, he said look for the SBC to add Ga. Southern and SF Austin.

SF Austin seems like a weird choice, so I'm skeptical, but like I said, he has been a solid provider of info in the past.

He could very well be wrong, but just thought I'd drop this off over here.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Must be June

Wow

(06-22-2012 10:18 PM)tpopt Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 10:09 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 06:38 PM)Niner National Wrote:  I know this won't mean much to anyone here, but on the Niner board we have a source who almost certainly works within the AD (although one of us know who it actually is). He is always spot on with any info he gives out.

Anyway, he said look for the SBC to add Ga. Southern and SF Austin.

SF Austin seems like a weird choice, so I'm skeptical, but like I said, he has been a solid provider of info in the past.

He could very well be wrong, but just thought I'd drop this off over here.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Must be June

Wow

I mean to dig as far as SFA for a rumor? Wow. 69 days

I believe June 30 is the deadline for any kind of conference movement for this year, so next week could get crazy. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big 12 and/or the SEC add a couple of ACC schools by next Friday. The future Sun Belt, as well as the future BE, MWC, and CUSA, could all look a lot different by weeks end.

(06-22-2012 06:44 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 06:38 PM)Niner National Wrote:  I know this won't mean much to anyone here, but on the Niner board we have a source who almost certainly works within the AD (although one of us know who it actually is). He is always spot on with any info he gives out.

Anyway, he said look for the SBC to add Ga. Southern and SF Austin.

SF Austin seems like a weird choice, so I'm skeptical, but like I said, he has been a solid provider of info in the past.

He could very well be wrong, but just thought I'd drop this off over here.

Austin is especially strange right in UT's back yard. I would think Lamar would make more sense for the SBC and has more of a name.

Um....Stephen F. Austsin is nowhere near Austin. Texas State is close by to Austin. SFA is in Nacogdoches, not far from the Louisiana border.