(06-19-2012 03:58 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  There is a solution I just don't know how palatable it is.

We admit Ga.St early but place them in the West Division for 2012-13 in Denver's slot.

The downside is that ASU, UALR, UL, ULM, and UNT have to travel to Ga.St in men's and women's basketball, volleyball while only half of their future division rivals travel there in 2012-13.

That's the easiest fix because those are the only sports that use a divisional format and it avoids splitting FIU/FAU, Troy/USA, WKU/MT. Baseball you eliminate the double series with your local rival. Easy enough fix for baseball.

I'm for it. If we can help out Ga. State and their student athletes.....it will benefit us all in the long run.

I hate it for the players as well but I completely expected it. The CAA asked for and received a six-year commitment from GaSt in exchange for accepting their football program, basically breathing life into the program. GaSt was supposed to stay until 2018 but obviously chose to join the SBC well ahead of schedule. It was easy to see that the CAA was going to use their biggest hammer to repay the Panthers.

(06-19-2012 04:35 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  Georgia State and Old Dominion have no reason to complain about this rule. The CAA has enforced this rule for more than a decade. Old Dominion voted in favor of this rule and Georgia State was well aware of this rule prior to joining the CAA.

American, East Carolina, and Richmond were banned from CAA tournaments when they left the conference. Why should Georgia State and Old Dominion be exempted? What is special about these two that wasn't special about the other three?

It might be unfair to the student-athletes, but administrators and coaches have no right to complain. They knew this was coming. Only tournament play is banned, however, so the two schools can still try to win regular season championships.

Even though it unfairly punishes students for the actions of their administrators, I actually think every conference should adopt this rule, so that schools think even harder about defecting. I also think immediate switches should not be allowed.

While the student-athletes won't be able to compete in the tournaments, they can still get Player of the Week, Rookie of the Week, and All-CAA honors. Not the big prize but still accolades to strive toward. Make the best of it. Rules are rules.

Hey as long as that makes it ok

(06-19-2012 04:35 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  Georgia State and Old Dominion have no reason to complain about this rule. The CAA has enforced this rule for more than a decade. Old Dominion voted in favor of this rule and Georgia State was well aware of this rule prior to joining the CAA.

American, East Carolina, and Richmond were banned from CAA tournaments when they left the conference. Why should Georgia State and Old Dominion be exempted? What is special about these two that wasn't special about the other three?

It might be unfair to the student-athletes, but administrators and coaches have no right to complain. They knew this was coming. Only tournament play is banned, however, so the two schools can still try to win regular season championships.

Even though it unfairly punishes students for the actions of their administrators, I actually think every conference should adopt this rule, so that schools think even harder about defecting. I also think immediate switches should not be allowed.

While the student-athletes won't be able to compete in the tournaments, they can still get Player of the Week, Rookie of the Week, and All-CAA honors. Not the big prize but still accolades to strive toward. Make the best of it. Rules are rules.

Most conferences do not have this ridiculous policy like for instance the Big East. Remember the CAA presidents voted on it and saw fit to be in-your-face revengeful unsportsmanlike a holes. This is all about student athletes not political venues. They cannot separate their mean spirited personalities from the ideals of sportsmanship.

(06-19-2012 05:46 PM)ATLGSUEAGLE Wrote:  I don't think they are gonna miss anything

I will agree they won't miss much this year.
It is a shame for the students, however you can't blame the commish.....it was voted on by all members and they ALL agreed to shut you guys out of the post season.

and I'm sure it was all in the fine print up front......

Again that isn't the point. The point IS that there is only one NCAA conference with this rule and that they had a choice whether not to enforce it. Furtheremore they voted last week and then refused to tell the Presidents of GSU and ODU their decision until yesterday. As for stupid comments regarding not missing much keep them to yourself FCS for life. We compete in 19 sports, not just football and we have had several top 3 finishes in conference just this year. As has been mentioned this was not a shock as the CAA majors in evil deeds. But that extra touch of holding the decision 5 days? Bravo CAA, you've outdone yourselves. Now we have 10 days left to solve this. But it sure does provide a chip on the shoulder for 2012-13. A lot of the student athletes are in shock.

(06-19-2012 04:35 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  Georgia State and Old Dominion have no reason to complain about this rule. The CAA has enforced this rule for more than a decade. Old Dominion voted in favor of this rule and Georgia State was well aware of this rule prior to joining the CAA.

American, East Carolina, and Richmond were banned from CAA tournaments when they left the conference. Why should Georgia State and Old Dominion be exempted? What is special about these two that wasn't special about the other three?

It might be unfair to the student-athletes, but administrators and coaches have no right to complain. They knew this was coming. Only tournament play is banned, however, so the two schools can still try to win regular season championships.

Even though it unfairly punishes students for the actions of their administrators, I actually think every conference should adopt this rule, so that schools think even harder about defecting. I also think immediate switches should not be allowed.

While the student-athletes won't be able to compete in the tournaments, they can still get Player of the Week, Rookie of the Week, and All-CAA honors. Not the big prize but still accolades to strive toward. Make the best of it. Rules are rules.

Yeah it just kinda is what it is. ODU certainly knew the rule as they voted for it and were probably happy to enforce it on us and Richmond when we left. I can sympathize with GSU, as they didn't create the rule and just have to live with the consequences, but it's still no surprise either.

(06-20-2012 06:49 AM)panama Wrote:  Again that isn't the point. The point IS that there is only one NCAA conference with this rule and that they had a choice whether not to enforce it. Furtheremore they voted last week and then refused to tell the Presidents of GSU and ODU their decision until yesterday. As for stupid comments regarding not missing much keep them to yourself FCS for life. We compete in 19 sports, not just football and we have had several top 3 finishes in conference just this year. As has been mentioned this was not a shock as the CAA majors in evil deeds. But that extra touch of holding the decision 5 days? Bravo CAA, you've outdone yourselves. Now we have 10 days left to solve this. But it sure does provide a chip on the shoulder for 2012-13. A lot of the student athletes are in shock.

You guys are the ones bailing on the CAA. Every conference should do this. GSU knew this rule was in place when they joined the CAA.

If they were worried about it, they should have never joined in the first place.

Evil deeds? Laughable

(06-20-2012 06:49 AM)panama Wrote:  Again that isn't the point. The point IS that there is only one NCAA conference with this rule and that they had a choice whether not to enforce it. Furtheremore they voted last week and then refused to tell the Presidents of GSU and ODU their decision until yesterday. As for stupid comments regarding not missing much keep them to yourself FCS for life. We compete in 19 sports, not just football and we have had several top 3 finishes in conference just this year. As has been mentioned this was not a shock as the CAA majors in evil deeds. But that extra touch of holding the decision 5 days? Bravo CAA, you've outdone yourselves. Now we have 10 days left to solve this. But it sure does provide a chip on the shoulder for 2012-13. A lot of the student athletes are in shock.

The student-athletes shouldn't be in shock. If they are then that's the fault of your coaches and athletic director.

I think its a crappy rule but I thought it was crappy rule every other time it was enforced. Georgia State and ODU were both aware of it and have had years to try to change it.

When you came to the Sun Belt, if it were a major concern, you should have been lobbying to enter early, we are playing divisional schedules in in men's and women's basketball and volleyball in 2012-13 even though the East has 6 and the West has 5.

Enter the Belt a year early. The timing of GaSt's entry was designed to assist football's transition as quickly as possible.

By the way, its not like your new home can't play hardball with the CAA if they wish to be too ugly about it. How much attention would a visit from Mr. Benson to tour the facilities of James Madison University get? Or statements designed to stabilize the Southern from where the CAA'strying to add members from. I don't see CUSA as a credible threat to do anything to help ODU (they're not taking JMU or any small market FCS program anytime soon).

I dont blame the CAA for this rule but its not like we're powerless to fight back. In fact, I wish we could keep any leaving school from taking our autobid. It could be used, at our election, judiciously.

The CAA and Georgia State were a terrible fit. For both sides. They're mad at ODU and that loss stings. They only kept GMU because the A10 had no places available.

(06-19-2012 05:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 04:57 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Is it possible and/or feasible for Georgia State to be able to move to the Belt this fall instead of 2013 ? Why would the CAA object if they will not be eligible to compete in their tournament(s) ? What would the Belt think ?

They could still feasibly join for Olympic Sports this fall, and Im sure its been discussed amongst our presidents no matter what Benson says.
The issue in that case is that scheduled for both leagues have been made it out, and it could cause a major reshuffle in scheduling in both leagues. GSU would have to drop some non league games to fit into our schedule most likely.

Im not sure what the CAA and SBC by laws say regarding this, but there are no NCAA rules saying when you can move your sports.

Not without interrupting schedule dates already confirmed and locked in such as basketball. We play mens BB in a multi-purpose arena the Cajun Dome, which also books other events like concerts, WWF, motor cross, etc; Once those dates are set, there is no rescheduling for UL men's basketball. I don't see how you pull that off without major conflicts when its almost July. In my opinion its not a viable option this late in the year.

Article on ESPN about our plight at the hands of the most obnoxious, unsportsmanlike, revengeful, AH's known as the CAA.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...ndependent

Stupid. Glad you're leaving the CAA, I hope we can work something out.

Another ESPN article about it with some big news. GSU will be playing Duke and BYU to open this season.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...ndependent

"Hunter said his team will be young, but extremely talented. His confidence in the squad has increased so much that he changed the schedule recently by adding opening games at Duke and at BYU."

(06-20-2012 10:37 AM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 05:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 04:57 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Is it possible and/or feasible for Georgia State to be able to move to the Belt this fall instead of 2013 ? Why would the CAA object if they will not be eligible to compete in their tournament(s) ? What would the Belt think ?

They could still feasibly join for Olympic Sports this fall, and Im sure its been discussed amongst our presidents no matter what Benson says.
The issue in that case is that scheduled for both leagues have been made it out, and it could cause a major reshuffle in scheduling in both leagues. GSU would have to drop some non league games to fit into our schedule most likely.

Im not sure what the CAA and SBC by laws say regarding this, but there are no NCAA rules saying when you can move your sports.

Not without interrupting schedule dates already confirmed and locked in such as basketball. We play mens BB in a multi-purpose arena the Cajun Dome, which also books other events like concerts, WWF, motor cross, etc; Once those dates are set, there is no rescheduling for UL men's basketball. I don't see how you pull that off without major conflicts when its almost July. In my opinion its not a viable option this late in the year.

You could always play a game in Blackham.

The MAC tried to do this to Marshall and UCF when they left in 2004. But the MAC had no by-laws preventing that to happen. The CAA does.

All this is going to do is to encourage other CAA teams looking for the exits to look harder. The CAA is causing a lot of acrimony with other conferences over this and their other boneheaded decisions.

1) George Mason is practically begging for an A-10 invite (don't blame them). If the A-10 loses any schools, they're first on the list. My guess is that if GMU stays good, they're good as gone from the CAA within a few years.
2) James Madison is looking for a football home. Didn't happen this time, but if no moratorium comes in, its' only a matter of time.

And behavior like this doesn't signal stability, it signals desparation. And this policy is going to help the CAA recruit new teams to replace those leaving? I don't see it.

(06-20-2012 10:37 AM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 05:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 04:57 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Is it possible and/or feasible for Georgia State to be able to move to the Belt this fall instead of 2013 ? Why would the CAA object if they will not be eligible to compete in their tournament(s) ? What would the Belt think ?

They could still feasibly join for Olympic Sports this fall, and Im sure its been discussed amongst our presidents no matter what Benson says.
The issue in that case is that scheduled for both leagues have been made it out, and it could cause a major reshuffle in scheduling in both leagues. GSU would have to drop some non league games to fit into our schedule most likely.

Im not sure what the CAA and SBC by laws say regarding this, but there are no NCAA rules saying when you can move your sports.

Not without interrupting schedule dates already confirmed and locked in such as basketball. We play mens BB in a multi-purpose arena the Cajun Dome, which also books other events like concerts, WWF, motor cross, etc; Once those dates are set, there is no rescheduling for UL men's basketball. I don't see how you pull that off without major conflicts when its almost July. In my opinion its not a viable option this late in the year.

Im not so sure its as complicated as that. Most likely the SBC has notified ULL of the dates for its league home games but not opponents. Its still feasible to bring GSU in, but inform them of what dates they would need to play. We would also probably ask them to complete in the Western Division.

GSU would be responsible for making the schedule changes necessary to play. That would mean they would have to make the decision of a major reshuffle of the basketball schedule is worth it to make their teams eligible for postseason.

ESPN article did say that Georgia State sources have said they will try and seek early admission to the SBC.

Once again, the CAA has enforced this same rule for more than a decade, so people need to stop acting like it is something new and unexpected. They met to discuss possibly changing the rule, but decided to stay consistent and keep the rule, which was also enforced against American, East Carolina, and Richmond when they decided to leave.

Now if Georgia State can work out immediate entry to the Sun Belt, more power to the Panthers, but they may end up in the West Division for a year, filling the slot which previously belonged to Denver, before moving to the East Division in 2013-14. It would actually make more sense for the Sun Belt to have 12 and the CAA to have 10 anyway.

(06-20-2012 02:25 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  Once again, the CAA has enforced this same rule for more than a decade, so people need to stop acting like it is something new and unexpected. They met to discuss possibly changing the rule, but decided to stay consistent and keep the rule, which was also enforced against American, East Carolina, and Richmond when they decided to leave.

Now if Georgia State can work out immediate entry to the Sun Belt, more power to the Panthers, but they may end up in the West Division for a year, filling the slot which previously belonged to Denver, before moving to the East Division in 2013-14. It would actually make more sense for the Sun Belt to have 12 and the CAA to have 10 anyway.

People aren't talking about how it's new and unexpected. We are talking about how it's ridiculous, shortsighted, and petty.