From SportsDominoes -- Stop The Presses: The Rumors are dying... What?!

Quote:I won’t go as far as saying that the Florida State University & Clemson rumors are dead yet because some of the rumor mongers of the internet world will simply say that FSU and Clemson are lying and/or trying to calm the ACC world while talks are still going on behind the scenes.

The rumors dying down could signify a potential move, or it could signify nothing will happen. The only way to find out is wait and see if there's a press conference in the near future...

Who says the rumors are dying? The best info has always said it would be July before anything happened due to Bowlsby coming on, TCU & WVU officially joining, and the playoff format being settled. Why is this thread pinned to the top??

Why was this pinned to the top? I'd like to hear that one myself...

(06-14-2012 10:22 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Why was this pinned to the top? I'd like to hear that one myself...

I was thinking the exact same thing...........

You guys see who authored it? BTW great article Joey.

(06-14-2012 10:49 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  You guys see who authored it? BTW great article Joey.

Ima mf*cking beast. :noisycricket:

FTR, I didn't pin this.

I think the author is a wise man.

Thank you kind sir

IMO this is just as premature as the idea that Clemson and FSU were already gone a few weeks ago. Nothing has been determined in regards to future postseason access for conferences, and if the ACC gets put in a situation where access to the championship is limited you'll see schools (not just FSU and Clemson) looking to separate themselves from the dead weight basketball schools in the ACC.

(06-14-2012 02:25 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  IMO this is just as premature as the idea that Clemson and FSU were already gone a few weeks ago. Nothing has been determined in regards to future postseason access for conferences, and if the ACC gets put in a situation where access to the championship is limited you'll see schools (not just FSU and Clemson) looking to separate themselves from the dead weight basketball schools in the ACC.

You bring up some great points. I'm in the opinion that ACC will not be shut out of any playoff format. Only time will tell if I'm right.

(06-14-2012 02:34 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(06-14-2012 02:25 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  IMO this is just as premature as the idea that Clemson and FSU were already gone a few weeks ago. Nothing has been determined in regards to future postseason access for conferences, and if the ACC gets put in a situation where access to the championship is limited you'll see schools (not just FSU and Clemson) looking to separate themselves from the dead weight basketball schools in the ACC.

You bring up some great points. I'm in the opinion that ACC will not be shut out of any playoff format. Only time will tell if I'm right.

I've yet to see anything from anybody but an ACC homer that suggests we will have an equal seat at the table with the SEC/BigXII/PAC12/B1G.

(06-14-2012 02:43 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(06-14-2012 02:34 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(06-14-2012 02:25 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  IMO this is just as premature as the idea that Clemson and FSU were already gone a few weeks ago. Nothing has been determined in regards to future postseason access for conferences, and if the ACC gets put in a situation where access to the championship is limited you'll see schools (not just FSU and Clemson) looking to separate themselves from the dead weight basketball schools in the ACC.

You bring up some great points. I'm in the opinion that ACC will not be shut out of any playoff format. Only time will tell if I'm right.

I've yet to see anything from anybody but an ACC homer that suggests we will have an equal seat at the table with the SEC/BigXII/PAC12/B1G.

I can't call myself a ACC homer just yet. There are a plethora of problems within the ACC or these rumors would've never been taken seriously in the first place. We'll find out in the coming weeks if the ACC will have an equal seat or not.

(06-14-2012 02:43 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  I've yet to see anything from anybody but an ACC homer that suggests we will have an equal seat at the table with the SEC/BigXII/PAC12/B1G.

That's funny because I haven't seen anything of substance suggesting that that the ACC wouldn't have a seat at the table. I've seen flat out insane message board posters continually suggest as much and I've seen bloggers desperate for hits fan those flames too. I have also seen uninformed journalists, fearful of being left behind in the digital age that they still don't quite understand and likely never will, subscribe to the utterly asinine "where there's smoke there must be some fire" theory. However I have never seen anything from any of the principals involved that would suggest that the ACC would be left out. In fact, everyone who has gone on record, has gone to great lengths to suggest - often adamantly- the exact opposite.

Conversely, I have seen Deloss Dodds refer to the "Big Five" conferences and Chuck Neinas did the same. They also each flat out guaranteed that the B12 was not going to expand and that the ACC was their equal. Are they ACC homers?

This whole thing was a made up fantasy from the beginning - mostly by butt-hurt WVU fans with an ax to grind - and some of you were gullible enough to get sucked into it while others were smart enough to see the big picture and use inductive reasoning to see what was happening here. That is the answer.

The bottom line, no matter how anyone tries to twist it, is that leagues don't lose economic giants like Texas A&M and Nebraska as well as large state schools like Colorado and Missouri - each with large, prosperous markets in them - and replace them with a state school from a small, impoverished state with absolutely no markets and a small, private school in a duplicate market and a small following and somehow magically come out stronger than they were before the defections. That simply doesn't make sense and to insist otherwise - which is what has happened repeatedly on this board and elsewhere - is just sheer nonsense.

The problem here is that many of you are so far down the rabbit hole that you've lost perspective here. Every time someone says something that supports your agenda, that's "proof" that it is going to happen. And when someone shoots it down, often very emphatically, well they're just lying for some reason or another.

I'll tell you what I'm looking forward to with great zeal. I can't wait to read the "things have changed...for now" face-saving post from the "insiders" that we all know is coming in the next few weeks.

I'm sure that will be quite a tale - enough to make Hemingway proud. I'm guessing that Deloss Dodds will be cast as the evil villian who at scuttles the plans at the last possible moment that causes a rift. However the show must go on so I'm sure we'll also get our assurance that it is still going to happen but not until...cliffhanger music...duh, duh, DUH!!!!....2013 - Expansion the Sequel.

Every last one of these self-proclaimed "insiders" is completely full of schitt. The only thing they've ever been inside of was a Star Trek costume.

(06-14-2012 06:20 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  This whole thing was a made up fantasy from the beginning - mostly by butt-hurt WVU fans with an ax to grind - and some of you were gullible enough to get sucked into it while others were smart enough to see the big picture and use inductive reasoning to see what was happening here. That is the answer.

It's the "Dude's" fault. He (and his many aliases from his mother's basement) along with Oliver Luck have taken the world by storm.

The ACC will have an equal seat at the table. Unfortunately Virginia Tech is the only football program worth a damn in the conference so the rest of the under achievers and lesser lights won't be sitting there.

There are different pressure points to B12 expansion but all indications are things are quieting down.

1) There is a significant faction in the B12 that is pretty happy with a round robin play. When AD's at Texas and Oklahoma come out clearly in favor of going beyond 12 then its going to happen.

2) Notre Dame takes a realistic view of its competitive potential in sports outside of football. They know they can dominate a league filled with tiny catholic schools. A conference with heavyweight publics is a more dicey proposition.

3) The ACC has an excellent reputation. Unless the future BCS format ends up effectively shutting the ACC out of the power structure Florida State is going to give things a chance.


Assessing these factors, the odds of the B12 going past 12 (over the next academic calendar) are no greater than maybe 10%.

(06-14-2012 08:08 PM)Go College Sports Wrote:  The ACC will have an equal seat at the table. Unfortunately Virginia Tech is the only football program worth a damn in the conference so the rest of the under achievers and lesser lights won't be sitting there.

For what its worth, FSU is projected to be in the Top 5 next season.

There's a lot of talking points which are noteworthy in this thread.

First, I think it's fascinating how internet rumors can turn into the blog pieces for professional journalists. There's something magical about reading speculation in written format when it's propagated by a professional journalist. When you listen to the call in show on the local radio you know that there is a lot of speculation involved. When an actual media member writes a blog piece it's a whole different story.

Secondly, we've seen that individuals in power positions at these universities are similarly swayed by rumors and speculation. Haggard at FSU didn't have the facts but he went out and made (poor, uniformed) statements anyway. This is interesting but also very disturbing to me. On the one hand we see these people as football fans and humans, however, on the other hand, they're in charge of making serious decisions for the programs and I think a part of me wants them to be above this.

Once again we've seen that expansion moves slower than predicted on message boards nearly all the time.

Clemson and FSU have probably done their due diligence on this. I think that the people in charge of those universities owe it to their constituents to do this, too. While I think that leaving for the Big XII is not in the best interest of either school, I applaud them for being open to making a move if that is truly what's best for the university. Even if neither school leaves, I do believe there was at least a small spark to go along with all of the smoke.

We still don't know what will happen. The entire landscape of college football is very uncertain. This doesn't just pertain to the Big XII and ACC, either. It's just something that we'll have to continue to monitor as fans of the sport.

The hypocrisy is thick around here. The BCS meetings are not yet over. All of you, especially those of you in this thread being extremely insulting, are lacking of patience.

The funny thing about statements made, is that they are made about the current situation. That doesn't mean a much different statement cannot be made in the future when the situation changes and when this whole playoff situation is carved in stone the situation is going to be changed, one way or another.