MUHERD Wrote:The BCS bid isn't and automatic bid "IF" the BigEast champion isn't ranked in the top 12 BCS poll the bid could end up going to a MWC/CUSA/MAC team that finishes in the top 12 of the BCS. This was added into the BCS after the Q's made it into a BCS bowl in the 90's by winning the BigEast with a record of like 9-4.

Read bigbadcat's post above for the accurate info. As recently as a week or so ago someone connected to the BCS committee was asked about the qualification for losing a BCS bid. The guy said that a conference that doesn't average a Top 12 ranking over 4 years isn't going to lose their BCS bid, it's just going to be reevaluated. As for not being ranked in the Top 12 means a non-BCS conference team gets that bid that is 100% false. If a non-BCS conference team finishes ahead of a current BCS conference champion in the Top 15 (example, non-BCS team ranked #13, BCS champion ranked #14) that non-BCS team QUALIFIES for a BCS AT-LARGE bid. It isn't guaranteed and it wouldn't take a current BCS conference's automatic bid.

Who said anthing about CUSA??? We are talking about a stripped down Big East and what its prospects might be. You can't improve until you can look at your position realistically.

I said something about C-USA. And we are not talking about the prospects of the Big East we're talking about the BCS bowls. And why can't the Big East improve? We know what teams going to the Big East so what the hell are you talking about? Using that logic we can't get a realistical look at the position that C-USA is in right? Give it up TopCoog, obviously you're bitter at the position the Big East is in for whatever reason.

I think that after 2006, if CUSA or any other non-BCS conference has a team AVERAGE in the top 12 in the final BCS standings; while the Big East doesn't....then they deserve the Big East's automatic BCS bid. Otherwise, topcoog you are beating a dead horse with your posts.

Quote:We are talking about a stripped down Big East and what its prospects might be. You can't improve until you can look at your position realistically.

Realistically speaking ofcourse. WVU is being projected in many preseason polls (espn, si, athlon) anywhere from #5, to #12-#18, from what I've seen. Granted, these are "preseason" polls, but I would bet that WVU will be ranked in the top 20 in the AP & Coaches polls to start the season. WVU should definately win 9 or more games this season, which IMO, would put them in the top 12 at the end of the season.

there is no dead horse. We have people who want to use emotion in the place of logic. If West Virginia does what you mentioned then things will be ok. But you will still draw the non BCS team in the 5th bowl. That has to do with attractive matchups. Cat has convinced himself that the Orange bowl will opt for a Big East vs Fla State instead of looking at a Texas vs Fla. State. It doesn't add up. Everyone on this board knows what is going to happen whether they admit it or not.
The big east has a lot of hard hard work to do and frankly, it will be aganist the odds. The opportunity is there but that is all it is...an opportunity. It would help a lot if ole Cat's team would step up to the place for a once.

Why are Cat's Claw and L-yes so defensive about the Big East? You are going to a BCS conference. Be happy about it. There's no need to be so defensive and mean spirited to others.

The Big East is going to be a great basketball conference.

The Big East is, at best, going to be the 6th best football league in America. In some years, top to bottom the Mountain West may arguably be better in football. In some years, the top two teams from C-USA may end up being better than the top two teams in the Big East. But it really doesn't matter. The Big East has the BCS bid and the MWC and C-USA don't.

Quit being so defensive and enjoy your new home and the perks that come with it. I hope that Memphis one day becomes part of a BCS conference. Maybe it will in the Big East. Only time will tell. You know how arrogant UK and Ohio State fans when all they wanted to do was talk bad about UL and UC because of C-USA. You don't want to sound like those douche bags.

Why are Cat's Claw and L-yes so defensive about the Big East? You are going to a BCS conference. Be happy about it. There's no need to be so defensive and mean spirited to others.


I'm not being defensive at all, or mean-spirited. I know people think I'm trashing C-USA, I'm not. I'm using the example that if the Big East isn't good enough because they didn't have a Top 25 team last year then C-USA is the same way. Clearly that isn't the case because one year on the radar is just that, one year. I agree with you 3601 about not down talking people. But I think people are underestimating how good the Big East is going to be in football. I don't have a problem with anyone at all except TopCoog who is resorting to lying, such as this:

. Cat has convinced himself that the Orange bowl will opt for a Big East vs Fla State instead of looking at a Texas vs Fla. State. It doesn't add up. Everyone on this board knows what is going to happen whether they admit it or not.


First of all, if they pick teams it's not going to be the "Big East vs Florida State" it would be "West Virginia vs Florida State". If the Big East was an afterthought like you claimed West Virginia wouldn't be a preseason Top 15 club.

The big east has a lot of hard hard work to do and frankly, it will be aganist the odds. The opportunity is there but that is all it is...an opportunity. It would help a lot if ole Cat's team would step up to the place for a once.

I'm assuming you meant UC needs to step up to the plate for once. Cincinnati won a piece of the C-USA title 2 years ago so we'll be just fine. I don't know if you're a TCU or Houston fan. If you're a Houston fan then you know what your program needs to do and last year was a good start. If you're a TCU fan UC tied you for the C-USA title 2 years ago and beat you head-to-head that season and have gone to 3 bowls over the last 4 years, so don't worry about our program. In fact, don't worry about the Big East since you clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Cat's Claw...i'm not bashing the Big East. You will get everything you earn and deservedly so. All I'm saying is it will not be a bed of roses and they are not going to treat you like they do the other five leagues in football. The ball is in your court. CUSA has a whole different set of problems. If the BE hosts the 5th bowl and gets that spot CUSA has to compete with four other leagues to get in the same game.

3601 Wrote:Quit being so defensive and enjoy your new home and the perks that come with it.  I hope that Memphis one day becomes part of a BCS conference.  Maybe it will in the Big East.  Only time will tell.  You know how arrogant UK and Ohio State fans when all they wanted to do was talk bad about UL and UC because of C-USA.  You don't want to sound like those douche bags.

3601, the funny thing about your comments is that most UofL fans agreed with the UK and OSU fans that CUSA was a crappy conference. No question about it. Beyond UC, Memphis and Louisville there was very little effort put into enhancing the league by other member institutions.

What Claw and I ARE being defensive about is the blatant lying going on about the BCS and the direction its heading. This reminds me so much of last year when so many bitter cusa fans were deriding the departing members by bashing the Big East. Entire CUSA fan sites were convinced beyond a doubt that the Big East would lose its BCS bid, hell the MWC was convinced they were in! No one wanted to listen to the argument that aside from being the greatest basketball league ever assembled the Big East would control the northeastern market with no other major conference competition. The BCS will not be regionally marginalized and for that reason alone the Big East will always have a seat at the BCS table.

Some of you guys just don't get it; you underestimate the quality of the Big East programs and their national profile no matter the sport. The fact that Louisville will have 6 nationally televised football games this season should tell you something about the national profile of our program, we aren't Rice, Tulsa, SMU, UTEP, Tulane, ECU, UAB, Houston, etc. And neither is anyone else in the Big East aside from maybe Rutgers.

Bingo L-yes couldn't have put it better myself! :)

This year is an exception, but usually UC also has a few nationally televised games. You can't have it both ways. You can't trash the Big East, even calling it the Big Least and then complain when the Big East teams get tired of it and fire back!

[QUOTE]QUOTE (MUHERD @ May 21 2004, 02:32 PM)
The BCS bid isn't and automatic bid "IF" the BigEast champion isn't ranked in the top 12 BCS poll the bid could end up going to a MWC/CUSA/MAC team that finishes in the top 12 of the BCS. This was added into the BCS after the Q's made it into a BCS bowl in the 90's by winning the BigEast with a record of like 9-4.

Read bigbadcat's post above for the accurate info. As recently as a week or so ago someone connected to the BCS committee was asked about the qualification for losing a BCS bid. The guy said that a conference that doesn't average a Top 12 ranking over 4 years isn't going to lose their BCS bid, it's just going to be reevaluated. As for not being ranked in the Top 12 means a non-BCS conference team gets that bid that is 100% false. If a non-BCS conference team finishes ahead of a current BCS conference champion in the Top 15 (example, non-BCS team ranked #13, BCS champion ranked #14) that non-BCS team QUALIFIES for a BCS AT-LARGE bid. It isn't guaranteed and it wouldn't take a current BCS conference's automatic bid. [QUOTE]

:stupid: sounds like jiberish to me.......BECAUSE I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT 4 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD!!! I'm talking right NOW!!!!! Ok now that I got that out of system, I saw it on ESPN...there are probably some related articles to this on the net if you'd like to read up on it. IF not I really could care less I was just give my imput on the current BCS system.

The BCS bid is automatic for the BEast and even with the fifth bowl non-BCS conferences are not guaranteed to getting a team in.

The #12 finish is a four-year average.
2003 = 5th
2002 = 2nd
2001 = 1st
Yes, that is where Miami finished and I thank them for giving us the cushion needed to average the #12 finish for a few years.
So, in 2004 someone in the BEast needs to finish at least #40
(say 15th for this example).
In 2005, a #26 must be obtained (say 16th)
In 2006, a #22 must be obtained

By 2006 a new BCS contract/deal will be in the works OR there might not even be a BCS by then.

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How many automatic (berths) and how many at-large slots will there be in the five bowls?

David Frohnmayer: Again, this is David Frohnmayer and that's still subject to some finalization. Every one of the BCS conferences will have an automatically qualifier. Yes. And there's provision basically based upon national ranking of 12 or better that will include potentially a significantly greater number of institutions. So you can't actually put a number on it from year to year. It will - this is still a merit-based system.

We have done our level best not to dilute the quality of play that will be accessible in postseason BCS games. So based upon merit, national rankings, however, calculated, there is likely to be greater opportunity. But there will be at a minimum, of course, the six guaranteed slots for the current members of the BCS.
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Mark Anderson: OK. And I just want to be sure I'm clear on this, that even with the fifth bowl non-BCS conferences are not guaranteed to getting a team in.

David Frohnmayer: That's correct.

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Mark Blaudschun: Yes, this question is for anybody. I wanted to get one thing straight about the Big East's performance - position in this. Does that mean that the Big East is guaranteed a spot as one of the six original BCS conferences?

David Frohnmayer: The BCS will continue to be a member of the BCS subject to the same kind of periodic review that is provided for in our internal guidelines.

Mark Blaudschun: So if they maintain a rank team, what it - under the current rules then they're guaranteed a spot then?

David Frohnmayer: Yes, they are currently a member of the BCS. They will, under the new arrangements, continue to be a member of the BCS. And as all of the rest of us subject to the periodic review of their overall record and performance.

Thank you WVU82. People have said over and over that Miami's rankings still officially carry over, no one will listen. People like TopCoog go under the assumption of "Miami and Virginia Tech left, past rankings don't count they are starting over". So, basically, the Big East has 3 years to put together a Top 15 team, which won't be a problem at all since what would be the future Big East has 2 two teams in many preseason rankings.

I never said they didn't count. By my math you have until 2010. The problem is it won't matter, they are going to stick you in the 5th bowl vs the non BCS team. That is just the way the matchups come out. Until someone in the BE proves they can bust into the top 5 on a regular basis and become a marquee team that is the way it will be.

Much of the bashing of the Big East is sour grapes. Some of the bashing contains some truth.

There's no doubt that the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC and Pac 10 are head and shoulders above the Big East. I think that any objective fan would agree. But it doesn't matter because the Big East has the same BCS opportunity that those five conferences have. The Big East is going to get better. The new BCS contract is expected to run through 2012. I would be astonished if the Big East ever lost its BCS spot. I just don't think that will happen. I do, however, think that the TV folks will probably eventually want the Big East to expand to 10 or 12 football schools. When you have 10 schools there's probably a greater chance that one of them will end up with 9 or 10 wins than if you only have 8 schools.

Under the proposed new agreement everybody is really BCS. they are changing the agreement enought to blur that distinction.

TopCoog Wrote:Under the proposed new agreement everybody is really BCS. they are changing the agreement enought to blur that distinction.

The BCS Bowl alignment will be settled in a couple of weeks. Right now it appears that they are favoring the 4 in 5 concept. Lets say LSU and USC are ranked 1 and 2 the bowls would probably look like this. BTW the Orange Bowl would host the BcS Title game.

BCS Title Game at Orange Bowl-LSU vs. USC

Orange Bowl-Miami-(ACC Champion) vs. At Large or Big East Champion

Rose Bowl-Michigan-(Big 10 Champion) vs. At Large or Big East Champion

Fiesta Bowl-Oklahoma-(Big 12 Champion) vs. At Large or Big East Champion

Sugar Bowl-At Large or Big East Champion vs. At Large

Now for argument sake lets say Michigan finishes 8-3 and are ranked 17th but they are still Big 10 Champions. Lets say Utah of the MWC finishes 13th they will get an automatic bid.

The other At Large bids are Georgia, Florida State and Texas.

BCS Title Bowl at Orange Bowl LSU vs. USC

Orange Bowl Miami-(ACC Champion) vs. West Virginia-(Big East Champion)

Rose Bowl-Michigan-(Big 10 Champion) vs. Texas-(At Large)

Fiesta Bowl-Oklahoma-(Big 12 Champion) vs. Utah-(At Large)

Sugar Bowl-Georgia-(At Large) vs. Florida State-(At Large)

All BCS Games will have a guaranteed payout of 14-16 Million Dollars.

TopCoog Wrote:Under the proposed new agreement everybody is really BCS. they are changing the agreement enought to blur that distinction.

TopCoog, "the frogster" is without a doubt the dumbest person on earth.