(07-18-2013 10:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 10:06 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 08:21 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 08:12 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 11:19 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politic...ion/1711/#

States with higher abortion rates typically have higher:
- % of the population that is foreign-born
- % of the population that is out gay/lesbian
- per capita income
- % of the population that are college graduates
- % of the population in white collar work

States with higher abortion rates typically have lower:
- rates of religious fervor
- divorce rates
- "serial marriage" rates
- marriage rates? (the article doesn't say but I suspect this is the case and is related to the above two)
- % of the population in blue collar work

Crime rates also started decreasing, very significantly, about 18-20 years after Roe v. Wade. Take that for what you will.

That is quite a jump to a conclusion. I think any "researcher" that feels the need to produce commentary about rural, blue collar America should be required to live out in the country for a period of time first. The fact is you only need about $1,500 per month of income to live a reasonably comfortable life in a lot of these areas, higher education isn't needed, and a lot of people have no intention of leaving. Perhaps this plays more into the fact that they have lower abortion rates, higher teen pregnancy rates, and lower education levels than in the cities rather than "fewer, if any, choices for reproductive health services and must contend with far greater restrictions on their reproductive rights". I mean yeah, if you get pregnant before you are 25 in NYC or San Fransicko, your life is pretty much ruined. That doesn't mean that is the case everywhere else. These academic types really need to get out every now and again.

I wasn't making a causal link between crime rates and abortion, but it is something that is being studied and it is an interesting statistical point.

More to the later point you made, though, are you saying that teen pregnancy rates in low-income areas of the South are not a problem? Because I live there, and it kind of is a problem. That's where a lot of government welfare spending is going, not necessarily to welfare queens driving Cadillacs in the Bronx

I'm just saying it isn't always a problem. Are you talking low-income, rural, or both? Obviously it is going to be more of a problem in Birmingham than in a rural town where you can get by on $1,500 per month... so the researchers at the Ivy Leagues see an income of $25k and automatically think "poor", but that isn't necessarily the case. I guess my point is that the culture is completely different so you aren't comparing apples to oranges. Not everyone has the goal of climbing the corporate ladder and living in the city or suburbs. If my son decides he wants to live in the country, farm or fix cars, and start his family at 18, is that really a social problem?

Well, I live outside Birmingham and grew up in a pretty rural county in Alabama, so try to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about again. You can use less words if you want.

the "wise" are made foolish by this kind of thing. How educated and forward thinking these states are. Right guys?

(07-18-2013 10:24 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 10:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 10:06 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 08:21 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 08:12 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  Crime rates also started decreasing, very significantly, about 18-20 years after Roe v. Wade. Take that for what you will.

That is quite a jump to a conclusion. I think any "researcher" that feels the need to produce commentary about rural, blue collar America should be required to live out in the country for a period of time first. The fact is you only need about $1,500 per month of income to live a reasonably comfortable life in a lot of these areas, higher education isn't needed, and a lot of people have no intention of leaving. Perhaps this plays more into the fact that they have lower abortion rates, higher teen pregnancy rates, and lower education levels than in the cities rather than "fewer, if any, choices for reproductive health services and must contend with far greater restrictions on their reproductive rights". I mean yeah, if you get pregnant before you are 25 in NYC or San Fransicko, your life is pretty much ruined. That doesn't mean that is the case everywhere else. These academic types really need to get out every now and again.

I wasn't making a causal link between crime rates and abortion, but it is something that is being studied and it is an interesting statistical point.

More to the later point you made, though, are you saying that teen pregnancy rates in low-income areas of the South are not a problem? Because I live there, and it kind of is a problem. That's where a lot of government welfare spending is going, not necessarily to welfare queens driving Cadillacs in the Bronx

I'm just saying it isn't always a problem. Are you talking low-income, rural, or both? Obviously it is going to be more of a problem in Birmingham than in a rural town where you can get by on $1,500 per month... so the researchers at the Ivy Leagues see an income of $25k and automatically think "poor", but that isn't necessarily the case. I guess my point is that the culture is completely different so you aren't comparing apples to oranges. Not everyone has the goal of climbing the corporate ladder and living in the city or suburbs. If my son decides he wants to live in the country, farm or fix cars, and start his family at 18, is that really a social problem?

Well, I live outside Birmingham and grew up in a pretty rural county in Alabama, so try to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about again. You can use less words if you want.

Sure, here is the rankings of top 15 states by % of population on welfare. Tennessee is the only Southern state to make the list and Indiana is the only other red state. This tells me that higher pregnancy, lower abortion and lower education do not necessarily equal higher welfare. Do you have anything other than your anecdotal evidence? My anecdotal evidence is that I know scores of people from high school that had kids at a young age and are doing just fine. They don't own penthouses on the upper-east side, but they are generally happy and making their own living without assistance from anyone other than possibly family.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/31910310

(07-18-2013 07:49 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Really got to stop this misnomer "reproductive health".

that's what i was thinking

IS this just reported abortions?

(07-18-2013 11:07 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  IS this just reported abortions?

which ones aren't reported? would they impact these #'s?

(07-18-2013 11:11 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:07 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  IS this just reported abortions?

which ones aren't reported? would they impact these #'s?

back alley, ones done in areas with no access to abortions.


Abortions happen, whether an area has clinics or not.

(07-18-2013 11:15 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:11 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:07 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  IS this just reported abortions?

which ones aren't reported? would they impact these #'s?

back alley, ones done in areas with no access to abortions.


Abortions happen, whether an area has clinics or not.

Sure, but they wouldn't impact these #'s at all. So, whats your point? Stay on topic.

(06-11-2012 05:19 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 05:05 PM)OLD DIRTY Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 11:19 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  States with higher abortion rates typically have higher:
- per capita income
- % of the population that are college graduates
- % of the population in white collar work

States with higher abortion rates typically have lower:
- rates of religious fervor
- divorce rates
- "serial marriage" rates
- marriage rates? (the article doesn't say but I suspect this is the case and is related to the above two)
- % of the population in blue collar work

This is a nice twist on reality. When low income families are essentially awarded for having babies with more welfare, OF COURSE you are going to have less abortions... that's like burning three 100 dollar bills per month EACH.

The only people having babies right now are the irresponsible.

My wife is pregnant...

I suppose it's safe to assume that you won't raise your child to be a Muslim.

Poverty is probably closely related to abortion rates. In my "Jerry Springer" part of the family, I know a woman who is lower-middle class and she's used abortion as birth control.

(07-18-2013 11:45 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 05:19 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 05:05 PM)OLD DIRTY Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 11:19 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  States with higher abortion rates typically have higher:
- per capita income
- % of the population that are college graduates
- % of the population in white collar work

States with higher abortion rates typically have lower:
- rates of religious fervor
- divorce rates
- "serial marriage" rates
- marriage rates? (the article doesn't say but I suspect this is the case and is related to the above two)
- % of the population in blue collar work

This is a nice twist on reality. When low income families are essentially awarded for having babies with more welfare, OF COURSE you are going to have less abortions... that's like burning three 100 dollar bills per month EACH.

The only people having babies right now are the irresponsible.

My wife is pregnant...

I suppose it's safe to assume that you won't raise your child to be a Muslim.

Correct. They're here now and they already hate liberal democrats.

(07-18-2013 11:19 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:15 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:11 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:07 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  IS this just reported abortions?

which ones aren't reported? would they impact these #'s?

back alley, ones done in areas with no access to abortions.


Abortions happen, whether an area has clinics or not.

Sure, but they wouldn't impact these #'s at all. So, whats your point? Stay on topic.

Let me type slowly for you.

Abortions in states with few clinics, and heavy social stigma attached to abortions are going to have thousands of unreported abortions, or if they have the money to travel, abortions in areas where there are fewer restrictions, thus skewing the data presented.

(07-18-2013 11:49 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Poverty is probably closely related to abortion rates. In my "Jerry Springer" part of the family, I know a woman who is lower-middle class and she's used abortion as birth control.

Closely related how? The article this thread is based on says more affluent = more abortions.

(07-18-2013 11:53 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:19 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:15 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:11 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:07 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  IS this just reported abortions?

which ones aren't reported? would they impact these #'s?

back alley, ones done in areas with no access to abortions.


Abortions happen, whether an area has clinics or not.

Sure, but they wouldn't impact these #'s at all. So, whats your point? Stay on topic.

Let me type slowly for you.

Abortions in states with few clinics, and heavy social stigma attached to abortions are going to have thousands of unreported abortions, or if they have the money to travel, abortions in areas where there are fewer restrictions, thus skewing the data presented.

Thousands? Liar.

(07-18-2013 11:53 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:19 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:15 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:11 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:07 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  IS this just reported abortions?

which ones aren't reported? would they impact these #'s?

back alley, ones done in areas with no access to abortions.


Abortions happen, whether an area has clinics or not.

Sure, but they wouldn't impact these #'s at all. So, whats your point? Stay on topic.

Let me type slowly for you.

Abortions in states with few clinics, and heavy social stigma attached to abortions are going to have thousands of unreported abortions, or if they have the money to travel, abortions in areas where there are fewer restrictions, thus skewing the data presented.

Evidence for your conclusion?

(07-18-2013 11:55 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:49 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Poverty is probably closely related to abortion rates. In my "Jerry Springer" part of the family, I know a woman who is lower-middle class and she's used abortion as birth control.

Closely related how? The article this thread is based on says more affluent = more abortions.

I made the scientific error of drawing a conclusion on personal experience and not empirical data.

In my family, those more well-off use birth control. Those at the lower end of the economic spectrum use abortion as their form of birth control.

(07-18-2013 11:53 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:19 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:15 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:11 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:07 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  IS this just reported abortions?

which ones aren't reported? would they impact these #'s?

back alley, ones done in areas with no access to abortions.


Abortions happen, whether an area has clinics or not.

Sure, but they wouldn't impact these #'s at all. So, whats your point? Stay on topic.

Let me type slowly for you.

Abortions in states with few clinics, and heavy social stigma attached to abortions are going to have thousands of unreported abortions, or if they have the money to travel, abortions in areas where there are fewer restrictions, thus skewing the data presented.

Can you type slower? I'm still reading this at the same speed. Thanks.

(07-18-2013 11:53 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:19 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:15 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:11 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:07 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  IS this just reported abortions?

which ones aren't reported? would they impact these #'s?

back alley, ones done in areas with no access to abortions.


Abortions happen, whether an area has clinics or not.

Sure, but they wouldn't impact these #'s at all. So, whats your point? Stay on topic.

Let me type slowly for you.

Abortions in states with few clinics, and heavy social stigma attached to abortions are going to have thousands of unreported abortions,

Any evidence of this?

Because much of the pro-abortion crowd statistics are completely fabricated.

(07-18-2013 01:31 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:53 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:19 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:15 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:11 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  which ones aren't reported? would they impact these #'s?

back alley, ones done in areas with no access to abortions.


Abortions happen, whether an area has clinics or not.

Sure, but they wouldn't impact these #'s at all. So, whats your point? Stay on topic.

Let me type slowly for you.

Abortions in states with few clinics, and heavy social stigma attached to abortions are going to have thousands of unreported abortions,

Any evidence of this?

Because much of the pro-abortion crowd statistics are completely fabricated.

We live in a politically correct world due to idiots and other liberals that have a negative testosterone level and to fabricate numbers is the only way they can feel victorious. As far as abortions happening illegally or going unreported, that's anywhere you go. So no surprise there, but I bet you dollars to dildos that the number is wrong to favor the liberal agenda.