(06-11-2012 01:04 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:54 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:46 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:43 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:41 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  I'm not a gamer, either, but most high school kids are. This is another platform for potential recruits to hear about the establishment of a football program at South Alabama.

No I do play NCAA 12 on my xbox...But I dont get bent out of shape over something they dont include...

I think "getting bent out of shape" over the exclusion of your school is a bit different, I would certainly be disappointed if I were a USA fan, but any talk of legal recourse is beyond laughable.

It seems very plausible that EA Sports may be required to have all FBS programs represented. I don't think anyone's anticipating a lawsuit here but EA may have to do something to placate USA.

The only people EA needs to placate are those who are buying millions of copies of the game. How many copies of NCAA 12 did USA fans buy? If you can show that as a significant number then i'm sure they would drop all the other pre launch work they are doing to get your roster rated and stadium detailed.

I know it sucks but you are going off the deep end with some of those statements.

I don't think you would think so if it were your school.

I think what makes it a big issue is that the other similarly situated start ups made it in. No reason for 3 of the 4 of us to make it. Should have been an all or none situation.

(06-11-2012 01:15 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:59 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 11:20 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 10:45 AM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  What a load of crap. Apparently EA doesn't have any search engines at their disposal. I hope there is some sort of legal recourse, and that we pursue it to the fullest extent possible.

With all due respect my friend, it shouldn't be up to EA to search who is going to be FBS when. The majority of non-AQ schools are an afterthought when it comes to these games.

As far as legal recourse goes...are you serious?

And that's just plain stupid. Of course it's up to them. Especially in this day and age of conference movement and FCS to FBS movement. So, each team that has moved conferences needs to contact them? Please. Of course they have an obligation to do their due diligence.

Well considering none of the aforementioned schools are championship or postseason eligible, I wouldn't say they have an obligation to include any of them.

You're conference movement isn't really a good comparison either as I'd imagine the conference offices take care of that.

And again, not to downplay USA or the Sun Belt in general, we're just not that important to the success of the game. If they botch something in regards to a Sun Belt school, it doesn't really hurt the game one bit. How many South Alabama fans/students do you really think won't buy the game specifically because they can't play as the Jags? Most will either create the team, or just play as one of those other schools a couple hundred miles north of you that they probably rooted for(or still root for). EA has a history of shortchanging the non-AQ schools. I believe the first year on 360 and PS3 was just a slightly updated version of the last PS2 version, that first year on the current consoles that they built from the ground up, they only put like 60 or stadiums in the game as that was the year they started doing the satellite rendered stadiums that were supposed to be accurate down to the square inch or something like that. The rest of the schools just played in a generic stadium, I believe even the second year they still only had like 110 or so stadiums, it took three years to get every school's stadium in there. That second year MT got in, but not all the Sun Belt schools did.

Lastly, unless they changed how they do things, having USA included this year would just be a tease, as even in dynasty mode, pending changes to FBS status and conference alignment don't take place. I remember WKU being included in the year that was the final year of their transition, but in my dynasty mode ten years down the road they still weren't Sun Belt members. In the most recent version, there were future conference moves that had already been announced before the release of the game, that did not happen in the game down the road in dynasty mode. So even if USA were included in this version, it's likely they would have been permanently stuck in FBS limbo.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with any of that. But, as I just said in another post, it should've been an all or none deal.

I get that we are low man on the totem pole. I really do. But for a game to purportedly represent all of the FBS NCAA, and to then exclude one team is inexcusable.

(06-11-2012 12:49 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:43 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:41 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  I'm not a gamer, either, but most high school kids are. This is another platform for potential recruits to hear about the establishment of a football program at South Alabama.

No I do play NCAA 12 on my xbox...But I dont get bent out of shape over something they dont include...

If Troy got left out it wouldn't be a big deal because Troy is already a known FBS quantity. USA is just arriving and needs all the exposure it can get. This is a tangible detriment to USA, particularly in recruiting when an opposing coach can use their absence to belittle the program to a potential recruit.

A coach using the exclusion of USA from a video game for negative recruitment? Are you serious? "Don't go to South Alabama, they aren't even on NCAA Football 2013!"

(06-11-2012 01:07 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  Hmmm, I played 10+ seasons with a South Alabama team that someone created last year and it was probably a hundred times better than any team EA would create for you.

That being said, I can think of only a billion things that are more significant than this issue. One of which being whether or not I'm getting the "XXX" vitamin water or the "power-C" one. I know, it's a tough call...

No doubt. But that's not the point. There's a larger issue at hand. It's clear that you don't think so. Congrats.

Go with the tropical citrus.

(06-11-2012 01:19 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  I get that we are low man on the totem pole. I really do. But for a game to purportedly represent all of the FBS NCAA, and to then exclude one team is inexcusable.

If it's inexcusable, I'd suggest letting them know they won't be getting your $60 and call it a day.

(06-11-2012 01:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:49 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:43 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:41 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  I'm not a gamer, either, but most high school kids are. This is another platform for potential recruits to hear about the establishment of a football program at South Alabama.

No I do play NCAA 12 on my xbox...But I dont get bent out of shape over something they dont include...

If Troy got left out it wouldn't be a big deal because Troy is already a known FBS quantity. USA is just arriving and needs all the exposure it can get. This is a tangible detriment to USA, particularly in recruiting when an opposing coach can use their absence to belittle the program to a potential recruit.

A coach using the exclusion of USA from a video game for negative recruitment? Are you serious? "Don't go to South Alabama, they aren't even on NCAA Football 2013!"

Come on man, you know every recruit checks NCAA Football 13 before choosing their school.

(06-11-2012 01:23 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 01:19 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  I get that we are low man on the totem pole. I really do. But for a game to purportedly represent all of the FBS NCAA, and to then exclude one team is inexcusable.

If it's inexcusable, I'd suggest letting them know they won't be getting your $60 and call it a day.

That will show 'em!

(06-11-2012 01:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:49 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:43 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:41 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  I'm not a gamer, either, but most high school kids are. This is another platform for potential recruits to hear about the establishment of a football program at South Alabama.

No I do play NCAA 12 on my xbox...But I dont get bent out of shape over something they dont include...

If Troy got left out it wouldn't be a big deal because Troy is already a known FBS quantity. USA is just arriving and needs all the exposure it can get. This is a tangible detriment to USA, particularly in recruiting when an opposing coach can use their absence to belittle the program to a potential recruit.

A coach using the exclusion of USA from a video game for negative recruitment? Are you serious? "Don't go to South Alabama, they aren't even on NCAA Football 2013!"

C'mon. You know full well that coaches will use or say whatever they feel gives them an advantage. No matter how ridiculous it might be. I could absolutely see a coach pointing to that, how their program was in, and "small time" we were. "They couldn't even get in the game. Haha." The game's biggest audience are those very kids. Don't think for a second that a 17 year old kid might buy into that. Hell, they make choices sometimes based on much less miniscule items. Point is, it's an unfair omission, no matter how serious you or anyone else deem it.

(06-11-2012 01:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:49 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:43 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:41 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  I'm not a gamer, either, but most high school kids are. This is another platform for potential recruits to hear about the establishment of a football program at South Alabama.

No I do play NCAA 12 on my xbox...But I dont get bent out of shape over something they dont include...

If Troy got left out it wouldn't be a big deal because Troy is already a known FBS quantity. USA is just arriving and needs all the exposure it can get. This is a tangible detriment to USA, particularly in recruiting when an opposing coach can use their absence to belittle the program to a potential recruit.

A coach using the exclusion of USA from a video game for negative recruitment? Are you serious? "Don't go to South Alabama, they aren't even on NCAA Football 2013!"

Trivial things are actually brought up in recruiting.
I've talked to literally 100's of kids during or just following their recruiting process and things like the quality of the cafeteria's banana pudding or types of shower heads in the locker rooms are covered during their recruitment. Do you recall last year when a player marked Clemson of of his list because he didn't see a Chick-fil-a on campus?
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-footbal...hick-fil-a
Stupid little things can mean a lot.

(06-11-2012 01:24 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 01:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:49 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:43 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:41 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  I'm not a gamer, either, but most high school kids are. This is another platform for potential recruits to hear about the establishment of a football program at South Alabama.

No I do play NCAA 12 on my xbox...But I dont get bent out of shape over something they dont include...

If Troy got left out it wouldn't be a big deal because Troy is already a known FBS quantity. USA is just arriving and needs all the exposure it can get. This is a tangible detriment to USA, particularly in recruiting when an opposing coach can use their absence to belittle the program to a potential recruit.

A coach using the exclusion of USA from a video game for negative recruitment? Are you serious? "Don't go to South Alabama, they aren't even on NCAA Football 2013!"

Come on man, you know every recruit checks NCAA Football 13 before choosing their school.

Short sighted and disingenuous.

Has EA said whether they can add USA via an update? I mean how hard could that be?

(06-11-2012 01:30 PM)panama Wrote:  Has EA said whether they can add USA via an update? I mean how hard could that be?

That's my thought. And no, they haven't. I've emailed 6 different people employed directly by EA in significant positions, and that is the only response I've gotten. Our admin has begun correspondence, but I'm obviously not privy to the details of that.

(06-11-2012 01:04 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:54 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:46 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:43 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:41 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  I'm not a gamer, either, but most high school kids are. This is another platform for potential recruits to hear about the establishment of a football program at South Alabama.

No I do play NCAA 12 on my xbox...But I dont get bent out of shape over something they dont include...

I think "getting bent out of shape" over the exclusion of your school is a bit different, I would certainly be disappointed if I were a USA fan, but any talk of legal recourse is beyond laughable.

It seems very plausible that EA Sports may be required to have all FBS programs represented. I don't think anyone's anticipating a lawsuit here but EA may have to do something to placate USA.

The only people EA needs to placate are those who are buying millions of copies of the game. How many copies of NCAA 12 did USA fans buy? If you can show that as a significant number then i'm sure they would drop all the other pre launch work they are doing to get your roster rated and stadium detailed.

I know it sucks but you are going off the deep end with some of those statements.

I'm tired of debating this.
Yes, I think it is stupid too. I buy these games for my 6 and 8 year old to play and I think it is a tiny speck of fly-crap in the grand scheme of things. However, I've spoken to coaches and I know darn well that this will be used to the detriment of USA in the coming year for recruiting. I also think it is extremely likely that EA is under some sort of contractual obligation to include USA. If that is the case, they may have do a little extra work to make up for this. Either include them in a patch or make their presence in the 2014 game more noticeable than it ordinarily would have been.

(06-11-2012 01:30 PM)panama Wrote:  Has EA said whether they can add USA via an update? I mean how hard could that be?

It's not that easy. Coach, formations, player ratings, stadium, etc. Do you just want your logo included or do you want your team properly repped?

Plus it is a month away from release, they are concentrating on testing and fixing as many little bugs as they can. No software company is gonna add new stuff this close to release.

USA will be in 2014 for sure.

A coach may try using the exclusion in recruitment, but I just don't see it taking hold. 98% of the kids recruited to Sun Belt schools aren't going to be seriously shortchanged in the ratings department anyhow. So if they want to be able to play as themselves in NCAA 13 they're going to have to create themselves, or at least change the ratings, especially if they want to start as a freshman in the game.

I also strongly doubt EA has any kind of obligation to include any provisional FBS members and again based on past history of the game, I fully expect the provisional members to stay provisional even in dynasty mode, so Texas State, UTSA, and UMASS fans who purchase this game will be stuck playing as a FBS provisional member until they buy NCAA 14.

(06-11-2012 01:38 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 01:30 PM)panama Wrote:  Has EA said whether they can add USA via an update? I mean how hard could that be?

It's not that easy. Coach, formations, player ratings, stadium, etc. Do you just want your logo included or do you want your team properly repped?

Plus it is a month away from release, they are concentrating on testing and fixing as many little bugs as they can. No software company is gonna add new stuff this close to release.

USA will be in 2014 for sure.

Ia m talking about a post release update online. Software companies do it all the time. Coach, formations, player ratings, stadium, etc. can done with some input from fans pretty quickly. I am not saying in the initial release but they could definitely release an update later in the year. Probably will not happen because the affected school is South Alabama and not Alabama.

(06-11-2012 02:39 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 01:38 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 01:30 PM)panama Wrote:  Has EA said whether they can add USA via an update? I mean how hard could that be?

It's not that easy. Coach, formations, player ratings, stadium, etc. Do you just want your logo included or do you want your team properly repped?

Plus it is a month away from release, they are concentrating on testing and fixing as many little bugs as they can. No software company is gonna add new stuff this close to release.

USA will be in 2014 for sure.

Ia m talking about a post release update online. Software companies do it all the time. Coach, formations, player ratings, stadium, etc. can done with some input from fans pretty quickly. I am not saying in the initial release but they could definitely release an update later in the year. Probably will not happen because the affected school is South Alabama and not Alabama.

This goes to my earlier post, if it doesn't improve their bottomline, why pay staff (even if every USA fan sent info, EA staff still needs to get involved with the release of an update) for the extra hours to put out such an update?

If USA can show that EA will get a significant bump in sales if they are included then they will do it, otherwise they will simply say "sorry, we will add you next time".

Making changes to software (and it gets worse as the size of the software increases) is never as easy as most people think.

I dont think they even get to show that there is a bump in sales involved. If its Texas we fix it. Sun Belt? You're lucky we even include you.

(06-11-2012 02:57 PM)panama Wrote:  I dont think they even get to show that there is a bump in sales involved. If its Texas we fix it. Sun Belt? You're lucky we even include you.

See, but I don't think that CAN be the case. They are under an exclusive contract with the NCAA. I of course have no idea how the contract reads, but one could logically assume that it states something relating to a requirement that all teams have equal representation. Otherwise, why bother including all of the SB or the MAC at all?

Has EA said anything further other than you guys are not in the game? (No pun intended)

I mean you would think they would at least say, sorry you have to wait until the next year edition or something.