(06-20-2012 06:20 AM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  I agree that ETSU basketball peaked in 1988-92. However,although the 'Mister' teams had some big non-conference wins, were ranked as high as 10th, and won the league, they had one NCAA win to show it in four NCAA appearances. Honestly, and not to rip on those teams, they needed to do better than that to create more momentum for the program.

The "downfall" of ETSU basketball was in the mid to late 1990s when the team had consecutive losing records and the attendance bottomed out. Making the argument that the team 'remained strong' during those years because they remained in the vaunted SoCon and ETSU had a football team is a non-argument.

Look, you stuck out your lip, picked up your ball and went home, and come on here to whine & cry about how you've been 'wronged.' It's pretty pathetic.

Yep, the program peaked in 1992, 11 years before the tennis coach became the AD. Also, Mister never won a tournament game. Just thought I'd mention that.

Look at the records listed in this link. There is no patter of sustained success for the basketball program in ETSU's history (of course we know that's true about basketball). Les Robinson had more winning seasons than losing seasons. Dechellis wasn't exactly putting up gaudy numbers either - his highest win total was 20 wins one time. Three years after an NCAA tournament win and four straight conference titles, the team was .500 under LeForce. That was followed by back to back 7-20 seasons (3-11 and 2-11 in conference). That's terrible. This program has been a roller coaster of sorts as far as performance. There is no history of consistent winning for more than 4 years at a time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Tennes...basketball

The folks on this board have overblown the prestige and level of success this program has had in the past. Is their potential to be better? Absolutely. Has it fallen off the map? Not at all.

(06-20-2012 11:14 AM)LetsgoBucs Wrote:  

(06-20-2012 06:20 AM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  I agree that ETSU basketball peaked in 1988-92. However,although the 'Mister' teams had some big non-conference wins, were ranked as high as 10th, and won the league, they had one NCAA win to show it in four NCAA appearances. Honestly, and not to rip on those teams, they needed to do better than that to create more momentum for the program.

The "downfall" of ETSU basketball was in the mid to late 1990s when the team had consecutive losing records and the attendance bottomed out. Making the argument that the team 'remained strong' during those years because they remained in the vaunted SoCon and ETSU had a football team is a non-argument.

Look, you stuck out your lip, picked up your ball and went home, and come on here to whine & cry about how you've been 'wronged.' It's pretty pathetic.

Yep, the program peaked in 1992, 11 years before the tennis coach became the AD. Also, Mister never won a tournament game. Just thought I'd mention that.

Look at the records listed in this link. There is no patter of sustained success for the basketball program in ETSU's history (of course we know that's true about basketball). Les Robinson had more winning seasons than losing seasons. Dechellis wasn't exactly putting up gaudy numbers either - his highest win total was 20 wins one time. Three years after an NCAA tournament win and four straight conference titles, the team was .500 under LeForce. That was followed by back to back 7-20 seasons (3-11 and 2-11 in conference). That's terrible. This program has been a roller coaster of sorts as far as performance. There is no history of consistent winning for more than 4 years at a time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Tennes...basketball

The folks on this board have overblown the prestige and level of success this program has had in the past. Is their potential to be better? Absolutely. Has it fallen off the map? Not at all.

+1

There seems to be a lot of black and white thinking on this board: We were national champions in the early 90's and now we are dead. This person is wrong and I am right. ETSU is the perpetrator and I am the victim. ETSU has always recruited big men and now they can't.

But you all know as well as I do that this has nothing to do with the state of affairs at ETSU. This is about a personal vendetta that is clung to like a crazed ex-boyfriend. My unsolicited advice is to not get mired in the fantasy. Stop retorting. There are many reasons why groups like the BFFF are distancing themselves.

ETSU verisons of a "big" man have always been either a 6'6 (sometimes stretched to listing of 6'7 ) big body or a 6'7 to 6'9 rail thin dude both types good athletes. yeah there are exceptions but for the most part 90+ percent of our front court players have fit in those two catergories. Which is normal for mid major schools all over the country.

You know who was also small in the middle? Murray State. Tallest guy that received significant playing time was Ivan Aska at 6-8, although he's listed at 6-7 on Yahoo. Regardless, it's a problem across the board for most mid-majors. Yes, some may land a big 6-10 kid, but more often than not they are projects to start. Hedgepeth @ 6-9 and Sanders @ 6-10, for example w/ Belmont, turned into decent centers in the end, although neither was their top scorer. The Bucs are better off with a more athletic 6-8 kid than a project 6-11, although I did hear they thought they had landed the kid from Oakland Comm College in Michigan and he backed out last minute.

Ok, the "glory" days were the Mister days. A thought (and I'm not even going to claim that I subscribe to it): Maybe ETSU is a victim of it's own success. If it were't for those glory days, perhaps some of us would be more positive, optimistic, and, yes, constructive now.

(06-19-2012 07:23 PM)Goldfinger Wrote:  2. There is nothing fancy about the arenas you mention.

You're right . . . except for the wide aisles, video boards, chairback seats, attached parking garage, superior sound system, marble entrance hall, carved woodwork around the concession stands, and . . . oh, yes . . . the luxurious tile work in the restrooms.

(06-19-2012 07:23 PM)Goldfinger Wrote:  3. Black Belmont players have no more athletic ability than their white counterparts.

ROFLAPMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Goldfinger, I used to not be able to stand you. Now, I think you have a great sense of humor.


copied from A-Sun site:

All-Tournament Team

•Kerron Johnson, Belmont - Tournament MVP
•Ian Clark, Belmont

(06-20-2012 01:34 AM)Goldfinger Wrote:  There you have it...etsu has not fallen far, if at all, since the mister teams according to go. Every time he speaks I have a hearty chuckle.

Everytime Goldfinger brings up Mister Jennings, I have a hearty chuckle. Without any doubt, ETSU has fallen far . . . since our Sweet 16 appearance under the guidance of Coach James Madison Brooks in 1968.

It looks like Stetson MBB booked a HOME game vs. a Big East school. http://www.gohatters.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=205443095 It would be neat if we could get, for example, nearby UT, Virginia, or UNC to play at ETSU.

(06-20-2012 10:59 AM)LetsgoBucs Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 07:23 PM)Goldfinger Wrote:  3. Black Belmont players have no more athletic ability than their white counterparts.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm entering Amway Arena

Wow. Blatantly racist. Inexcusable.

I don't know that it's blatantly racist, just a moronic and incorrect statement. It's like saying that a place that's good enough for presidential debates and awards shows isn't very nice. The Curb Center could stand a couple of little things to make it better, but for its' previous and now current conference affiliation, it's one of the top arenas in its' league.
I think you and GBG just like baiting the little golden troll, almost to a fault.
I think we need a stickied smack thread for that.
Be glad by the way that we're not going to have to deal with Reese Chamberlain, he's got all the makings of another Justin Hare type player.

The Curb Center is very nice, but much too small for a convocation center for a 15,000+student University. A 10,000 seat ETSU center that is similar in design to the Curb Center would be great.

(06-26-2012 06:33 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  The Curb Center is very nice, but much too small for a convocation center for a 15,000+student University. A 10,000 seat ETSU center that is similar in design to the Curb Center would be great.

I agree, I kind of don't agree/but sort of do, and I agree . . .


I agree: The Curb Center is very nice indeed.

Don't agree/but sort of do: Kennesaw has 24,000 students and built an arena smaller than Belmont's. However, it does make sense, as you eluded, that a convo center should be built in proportion to student population (and expected growth).

I agree: An ETSU version of the Curb would be fantastic! The ETSU version might have a wider walkway all-the-way-around to where bleachers can be installed for an extra 3-5K seats for the big games. Both MTSU and TSU have similar up-top bleachers for extra seating.

(06-26-2012 06:33 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  The Curb Center is very nice, but much too small for a convocation center for a 15,000+student University. A 10,000 seat ETSU center that is similar in design to the Curb Center would be great.

It all comes down to what you're building it for. ETSU regularly only brings in between 3-5 thousand fans for basketball games. So do you build something that looks full but doesn't solve the graduation issue or do you build a facility that holds 10,000 people and use the curtains to hide the empty upper bowl, hoping that eventually they'll get it together and have 8-10 thousand showing up for games.

(06-27-2012 12:57 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 06:33 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  The Curb Center is very nice, but much too small for a convocation center for a 15,000+student University. A 10,000 seat ETSU center that is similar in design to the Curb Center would be great.

It all comes down to what you're building it for. ETSU regularly only brings in between 3-5 thousand fans for basketball games. So do you build something that looks full but doesn't solve the graduation issue or do you build a facility that holds 10,000 people and use the curtains to hide the empty upper bowl, hoping that eventually they'll get it together and have 8-10 thousand showing up for games.

The latter, definitely!

OR.... Do you add football, build an outdoor stadium, hold graduations in said outdoor stadium, and build a basketball arena to suit basketball, but perhaps make it seat around 7500-8000 with luxury boxes, all one level knowing that you'll be tarping the upper rows?
I'm with you that I don't want them to think small because of its' multipurpose use potential, but I would like to see ETSU have some true atmosphere at home basketball games.

(06-27-2012 04:21 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 12:57 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 06:33 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  The Curb Center is very nice, but much too small for a convocation center for a 15,000+student University. A 10,000 seat ETSU center that is similar in design to the Curb Center would be great.

It all comes down to what you're building it for. ETSU regularly only brings in between 3-5 thousand fans for basketball games. So do you build something that looks full but doesn't solve the graduation issue or do you build a facility that holds 10,000 people and use the curtains to hide the empty upper bowl, hoping that eventually they'll get it together and have 8-10 thousand showing up for games.

The latter, definitely!

I heard about this and had to check it out for myself. SoCon's Samford loses a 6'9" big man in a transfer to our favorite Belmont. I guess it doesn't matter much, since we're not meeting either school this year in the regular season. If anyone is mildly interested . . . and/or bored enough in the off-season to read about it, here's the link:

http://belmontbruins.com/sports/m-baskbl...07110qat6t

(06-26-2012 06:33 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  The Curb Center is very nice, but much too small for a convocation center for a 15,000+student University. A 10,000 seat ETSU center that is similar in design to the Curb Center would be great.

Dave Mullins has had almost a decade. There's an $81 million "Pathway to Excellence" athletic capital campaign underway at ETSU which has been going on for almost a decade. There's not even a drawing of any kind, shape, or size basketball arena. Is this some kind of joke? What in the hell is going on? Why would a school announce an $81 million athletic capital campaign and DO NOTHING to accomplish it, including a new basketball arena to help take basketball to the next level as promised? At this rate, ETSU will NEVER have a new arena.

(07-11-2012 07:36 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  Why would a school announce an $81 million athletic capital campaign and DO NOTHING to accomplish it

They've built brand new or renovated facilities for every sport except basketball and track. While I'd like to see a new basketball arena as much as any of us here, I wouldn't exactly call that "doing nothing".

(07-12-2012 05:42 PM)TheShadow Wrote:  

(07-11-2012 07:36 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  Why would a school announce an $81 million athletic capital campaign and DO NOTHING to accomplish it

They've built brand new or renovated facilities for every sport except basketball and track. While I'd like to see a new basketball arena as much as any of us here, I wouldn't exactly call that "doing nothing".

Since there is no information available to see as to how much money has been raised and where it has been spent, I suspect that these projects have been funded mostly through student fees. Therefore, "doing nothing" is an appropriate description with relation to the $81 million capital campaign. Why doesn't Mullins show the numbers to date on the athletic website? It would be a most simple thing to do. It would be the ethical, correct thing to do. If you have a capital campaign underway since 2004 and you're unable to provide the numbers in dollar amounts raised and dollar amounts spent, then you leave many, many questions unanswered.