(05-24-2012 05:00 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  Oh yeah and Boise is going back to the MWC. And the Big East is going to get raided by CUSA... Blah blah blah.

The nay sayers have been wrong every time.

Actually, the "nay sayers" have been right about the only really big issue to be resolved so far: The Big East no longer has a seat at the Big Four-dominated post-season revenue table that we used to have with the BCS.

(05-24-2012 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:27 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Well if you had been in Tampa long enough you would have a clear picture of Mr. McMurphy. And as I said his story is full of holes. No one yet has questioned how Pitt and Cuse brought the ACC 56 mill per year when they werent pulling that in BE. Or how did WV and TCU which were making 5 mill and 2 mill a year are now worth 20 mill a year.
I'm not here painting a picture that the Big East will make more than even the ACC but is plain idiotic when you hear idiots like this with an axe to grind printing garbage like that.
We will find out the REAL numbers come Sept.

What the hell? McMurphy is obviously FAR from an idiot and clearly has lots of contacts in the media and college football ranks. Your criticism is off-target. He DOES mention that Big East officials expect us to sign for BIG money based on what the PAC and Big 12 were able to accomplish. He also discusses several reasons why NBC would be interested in signing us.

You have no evidence he has an ax to grind with the Big East or that his dream is to work for ESPN. You just don't like the message he is sending.

His $60 mil tweet was a load of crap and you and anyone with a brain knows it. So yeah he's now just another turd with an I-Phone.

This is why I try not to respond to anything you write. Talk about being one sided.

(05-24-2012 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:27 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Well if you had been in Tampa long enough you would have a clear picture of Mr. McMurphy. And as I said his story is full of holes. No one yet has questioned how Pitt and Cuse brought the ACC 56 mill per year when they werent pulling that in BE. Or how did WV and TCU which were making 5 mill and 2 mill a year are now worth 20 mill a year.
I'm not here painting a picture that the Big East will make more than even the ACC but is plain idiotic when you hear idiots like this with an axe to grind printing garbage like that.
We will find out the REAL numbers come Sept.

What the hell? McMurphy is obviously FAR from an idiot and clearly has lots of contacts in the media and college football ranks. Your criticism is off-target. He DOES mention that Big East officials expect us to sign for BIG money based on what the PAC and Big 12 were able to accomplish. He also discusses several reasons why NBC would be interested in signing us.

You have no evidence he has an ax to grind with the Big East or that his dream is to work for ESPN. You just don't like the message he is sending.

I know more than you think about that guy. And yes he has contacts and has been up front in reconfiguration but that doesn't make him infallible. You really believe his line that Pitt,Cuse and WV wouldn't have bolted if the league had sined with ESPN or 13 mill? Come on man even you can see that this BS.
Anyways I'll leave it at that.

(05-24-2012 05:10 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 05:05 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  Any surprise here? No, same agenda as ususal. ESPN still trying to devalue the BE, and maximize instability.

Rumors surface in the wake of the BE Conf Meetings of a deal worth upwards of $2 Billion over 9 years, and then like clockwork days later sources at ESPN report to CBS that its more like $60 million a year.

Shocker.

Can't wait till NBC and FOX come up to bat and shut everyone up.

Doesn't CBS have some of the BE Basketball contract?

I think he has some really good sources, he hasn't been wrong often. CBS really isn't play for the BE so there is not incentive to devalue. It is what it is and who brings the most national interest for football to get the most money.

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyCBS
@KingofPasco SU/Pitt why ACC got $4M more per school. UH & SMU don't own Houston/Dallas markets. If so, why C-USA deal only $16M

Very sensible post, but don't ask a question like the one i bolded, it confuses the dreamers too much.

(05-24-2012 06:40 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:27 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Well if you had been in Tampa long enough you would have a clear picture of Mr. McMurphy. And as I said his story is full of holes. No one yet has questioned how Pitt and Cuse brought the ACC 56 mill per year when they werent pulling that in BE. Or how did WV and TCU which were making 5 mill and 2 mill a year are now worth 20 mill a year.
I'm not here painting a picture that the Big East will make more than even the ACC but is plain idiotic when you hear idiots like this with an axe to grind printing garbage like that.
We will find out the REAL numbers come Sept.

What the hell? McMurphy is obviously FAR from an idiot and clearly has lots of contacts in the media and college football ranks. Your criticism is off-target. He DOES mention that Big East officials expect us to sign for BIG money based on what the PAC and Big 12 were able to accomplish. He also discusses several reasons why NBC would be interested in signing us.

You have no evidence he has an ax to grind with the Big East or that his dream is to work for ESPN. You just don't like the message he is sending.

I know more than you think about that guy. And yes he has contacts and has been up front in reconfiguration but that doesn't make him infallible. You really believe his line that Pitt,Cuse and WV wouldn't have bolted if the league had sined with ESPN or 13 mill? Come on man even you can see that this BS.
Anyways I'll leave it at that.

McMurphy clearly doesn't claim to have a definitive answer. He even finishes his article by saying it's possible his sources are deliberately sand-bagging the Big East in order to drive down the price for their media company employers.

(05-24-2012 06:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 05:10 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 05:05 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  Any surprise here? No, same agenda as ususal. ESPN still trying to devalue the BE, and maximize instability.

Rumors surface in the wake of the BE Conf Meetings of a deal worth upwards of $2 Billion over 9 years, and then like clockwork days later sources at ESPN report to CBS that its more like $60 million a year.

Shocker.

Can't wait till NBC and FOX come up to bat and shut everyone up.

Doesn't CBS have some of the BE Basketball contract?

I think he has some really good sources, he hasn't been wrong often. CBS really isn't play for the BE so there is not incentive to devalue. It is what it is and who brings the most national interest for football to get the most money.

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyCBS
@KingofPasco SU/Pitt why ACC got $4M more per school. UH & SMU don't own Houston/Dallas markets. If so, why C-USA deal only $16M

Very sensible post, but don't ask a question like the one i bolded, it confuses the dreamers too much.

The same reason that nightmare guys like you can't explain how TCU who oesnt own it's market when from making 1.7 mill on MWC to 20 mill in Big12.

(05-24-2012 06:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:40 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:27 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Well if you had been in Tampa long enough you would have a clear picture of Mr. McMurphy. And as I said his story is full of holes. No one yet has questioned how Pitt and Cuse brought the ACC 56 mill per year when they werent pulling that in BE. Or how did WV and TCU which were making 5 mill and 2 mill a year are now worth 20 mill a year.
I'm not here painting a picture that the Big East will make more than even the ACC but is plain idiotic when you hear idiots like this with an axe to grind printing garbage like that.
We will find out the REAL numbers come Sept.

What the hell? McMurphy is obviously FAR from an idiot and clearly has lots of contacts in the media and college football ranks. Your criticism is off-target. He DOES mention that Big East officials expect us to sign for BIG money based on what the PAC and Big 12 were able to accomplish. He also discusses several reasons why NBC would be interested in signing us.

You have no evidence he has an ax to grind with the Big East or that his dream is to work for ESPN. You just don't like the message he is sending.

I know more than you think about that guy. And yes he has contacts and has been up front in reconfiguration but that doesn't make him infallible. You really believe his line that Pitt,Cuse and WV wouldn't have bolted if the league had sined with ESPN or 13 mill? Come on man even you can see that this BS.
Anyways I'll leave it at that.

McMurphy clearly doesn't claim to have a definitive answer. He even finishes his article by saying it's possible his sources are deliberately sand-bagging the Big East in order to drive down the price for their media company employers.

I'm still waiting, you really believe hs line that Pitt,Cuse and WV would not have moved if the 13 mill ESPN contract would had been signed?

(05-24-2012 05:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 05:17 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  SMU and Houston don't carry the market in their cities....Otherwise, CUSA would have a greater deal than they do now.

All that, and that's what you got? I didn't say they had to carry their markets. That's a ridiculous argument. They just have to have a market with potential.

Actually, "what he's got" seems to be a definitive rebuttal to the claim about "all those eyeballs in major market potential" the New Big East has access to. Because if that is so important, why did C-USA make so little money when it had access to all that potential?

(05-24-2012 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:27 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Well if you had been in Tampa long enough you would have a clear picture of Mr. McMurphy. And as I said his story is full of holes. No one yet has questioned how Pitt and Cuse brought the ACC 56 mill per year when they werent pulling that in BE. Or how did WV and TCU which were making 5 mill and 2 mill a year are now worth 20 mill a year.
I'm not here painting a picture that the Big East will make more than even the ACC but is plain idiotic when you hear idiots like this with an axe to grind printing garbage like that.
We will find out the REAL numbers come Sept.

What the hell? McMurphy is obviously FAR from an idiot and clearly has lots of contacts in the media and college football ranks. Your criticism is off-target. He DOES mention that Big East officials expect us to sign for BIG money based on what the PAC and Big 12 were able to accomplish. He also discusses several reasons why NBC would be interested in signing us.

You have no evidence he has an ax to grind with the Big East or that his dream is to work for ESPN. You just don't like the message he is sending.

Yeah, there's no evidence that McMurphy is biased against the BE. In fact he might be one of the very few national CFB writers who's sympathetic to our league. You can quibble with him for making a story about his conversation with Anonymous Source, but that's his job, talking to sources and such. And he mentioned Pilson's higher estimate, and he hinted at the end the low offer is all part of the sports media rights poker game. Take it up with Anonymous Source (who works in the Bristol area, I am told.)

(05-24-2012 05:43 PM)Jassbale Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 05:41 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 04:51 PM)justinslot Wrote:  One day it's two billion, the next day it's 60 million.

LOL

Depends on whose "sources" you ask, I guess.

Well, I think it's odd that we would hear from 130+ mill/year to 150+mill/year for weeks to months, then all of a sudden it goes to 60 million. Nothing has changed, so it makes me wonder why it's such an outlier.

Basically an attempt to use the "Imminent moves" that haven't happend, and may not now... nor NEVER happen.." to drive-down the cost of our conference.

It's just classic marketing BS.


Honestly, if we have more TV sets than anyone but the PAC? How can we end up with a TV deal that pays half what ACC just got? Makes zero sense.

(05-24-2012 06:20 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  In case you didn't hear Boise turned down the MWC latest offer of uneven payments. So the only foot dragging is from fans of CUSA,SBC and MWC that keep hoping for the Big East demise.

I wasn't trying to be negative, just asking why Boise State won't withdraw from the Mountain West. It's an important question, and it's one for which the BE should be demanding an answer. If I was a network negotiating a TV contract, I would want to know that the best team in the league isn't still hedging its bets. Boise State, unlike SDSU, has not formally withdrawn from the Mountain West. That's fact, and it's a problem.

(05-24-2012 06:54 PM)Journeyman22 Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:20 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  In case you didn't hear Boise turned down the MWC latest offer of uneven payments. So the only foot dragging is from fans of CUSA,SBC and MWC that keep hoping for the Big East demise.

I wasn't trying to be negative, just asking why Boise State won't withdraw from the Mountain West. It's an important question, and it's one for which the BE should be demanding an answer. If I was a network negotiating a TV contract, I would want to know that the best team in the league isn't still hedging its bets. Boise State, unlike SDSU, has not formally withdrawn from the Mountain West. That's fact, and it's a problem.

The BE cant negotiate anything until Sept 1. Boise has until June to officially withdraw from MWC. I can understand thir position because of the WAC, so far everything coming from Boise has been that thy are on board. I'm fine with that.

(05-24-2012 06:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 05:10 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 05:05 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  Any surprise here? No, same agenda as ususal. ESPN still trying to devalue the BE, and maximize instability.

Rumors surface in the wake of the BE Conf Meetings of a deal worth upwards of $2 Billion over 9 years, and then like clockwork days later sources at ESPN report to CBS that its more like $60 million a year.

Shocker.

Can't wait till NBC and FOX come up to bat and shut everyone up.

Doesn't CBS have some of the BE Basketball contract?

I think he has some really good sources, he hasn't been wrong often. CBS really isn't play for the BE so there is not incentive to devalue. It is what it is and who brings the most national interest for football to get the most money.

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyCBS
@KingofPasco SU/Pitt why ACC got $4M more per school. UH & SMU don't own Houston/Dallas markets. If so, why C-USA deal only $16M

Very sensible post, but don't ask a question like the one i bolded, it confuses the dreamers too much.

The same reason that nightmare guys like you can't explain how TCU who oesnt own it's market when from making 1.7 mill on MWC to 20 mill in Big12.

That question is easy to answer: The Big 12 felt that TCU was worth $20 million a year to sign.

Actually, probably nowhere near $20 million, because we all know that not every conference member is equal. Alabama contributes a lot more to the SEC getting $17m a year than does Vanderbilt, USC contributes a lot more to the PAC than does Washington State.

The Big 12 gets the huge dollars because they have two of the elite schools in college football - Texas and Oklahoma. Everyone else in the Big 12 rides on the back of those two to a lesser (Oklahoma State) or greater (TCU) extent.

That's a big reason why i can't see us making more than $10m per school: We do NOT have those "tent pole" programs that the media companies really covet. Everyone else in the former Big Six does.

(05-24-2012 06:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Actually, "what he's got" seems to be a definitive rebuttal to the claim about "all those eyeballs in major market potential" the New Big East has access to. Because if that is so important, why did C-USA make so little money when it had access to all that potential?

What makes this article so infallible versus the other articles and "sources" dealing with the media people actually at the BE meetings saying that deal is looking very favorable and can eclipse the turned down offer and get at least into the ACC territory?

You seem fine with taking this as fact, but want to downplay and deflect when positive stuff is even hinted at.

(05-24-2012 06:46 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:40 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:27 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Well if you had been in Tampa long enough you would have a clear picture of Mr. McMurphy. And as I said his story is full of holes. No one yet has questioned how Pitt and Cuse brought the ACC 56 mill per year when they werent pulling that in BE. Or how did WV and TCU which were making 5 mill and 2 mill a year are now worth 20 mill a year.
I'm not here painting a picture that the Big East will make more than even the ACC but is plain idiotic when you hear idiots like this with an axe to grind printing garbage like that.
We will find out the REAL numbers come Sept.

What the hell? McMurphy is obviously FAR from an idiot and clearly has lots of contacts in the media and college football ranks. Your criticism is off-target. He DOES mention that Big East officials expect us to sign for BIG money based on what the PAC and Big 12 were able to accomplish. He also discusses several reasons why NBC would be interested in signing us.

You have no evidence he has an ax to grind with the Big East or that his dream is to work for ESPN. You just don't like the message he is sending.

I know more than you think about that guy. And yes he has contacts and has been up front in reconfiguration but that doesn't make him infallible. You really believe his line that Pitt,Cuse and WV wouldn't have bolted if the league had sined with ESPN or 13 mill? Come on man even you can see that this BS.
Anyways I'll leave it at that.

McMurphy clearly doesn't claim to have a definitive answer. He even finishes his article by saying it's possible his sources are deliberately sand-bagging the Big East in order to drive down the price for their media company employers.

I'm still waiting, you really believe hs line that Pitt,Cuse and WV would not have moved if the 13 mill ESPN contract would had been signed?

I disagree with him about that. Pitt, Cuse, and WVU were gone one way or the other. USF would be gone, too. Any Big East school that is invited to join any of the Big Four, or even the ACC, will leave. But just because i disagree with him about one of his points doesn't mean I have to think he's wrong about everything.

(05-24-2012 06:59 PM)Wooglin157 Wrote:  What makes this article so infallible versus the other articles and "sources" dealing with the media people actually at the BE meetings saying that deal is looking very favorable and can eclipse the turned down offer and get at least into the ACC territory?

You seem fine with taking this as fact, but want to downplay and deflect when positive stuff is even hinted at.

Did you even read the article? McMurphy himself discusses how some, like Big East officials, believe that we are going to get a huge pay-day.

Source:

Quote:"Name me two or three Big East Conference games of national interest."

Curious to see what others think of this statement. I disagree somewhat. I think at least half (4) of Boise State's games would generate some national interest. For example, Boise-Louisville, Boise-Houston, Boise-SDSU are all good games. I think rivalry games like SMU-Hou, UCF-USF, Rutgers - UConn, would have some national interest if the teams are having decent years.

(05-24-2012 07:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:59 PM)Wooglin157 Wrote:  What makes this article so infallible versus the other articles and "sources" dealing with the media people actually at the BE meetings saying that deal is looking very favorable and can eclipse the turned down offer and get at least into the ACC territory?

You seem fine with taking this as fact, but want to downplay and deflect when positive stuff is even hinted at.

Did you even read the article? McMurphy himself discusses how some, like Big East officials, believe that we are going to get a huge pay-day.

You didn't even address anything. BE officials won't even be talking numbers. They can't as far as I know. Those projections came from "sources." Ones that you're deflecting because it is positive while taking this article and running with it because it paints a negative tone.

McMurphy couldn't/wouldn't even name the sources of the unfavorable info but runs with that headline yet gets a name willing to say something positive and burys that into a couple lines. Heck, he just edited the article and put in a $50 million figure - with $60 million being "generous."

(05-24-2012 06:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 05:10 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 05:05 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  Any surprise here? No, same agenda as ususal. ESPN still trying to devalue the BE, and maximize instability.

Rumors surface in the wake of the BE Conf Meetings of a deal worth upwards of $2 Billion over 9 years, and then like clockwork days later sources at ESPN report to CBS that its more like $60 million a year.

Shocker.

Can't wait till NBC and FOX come up to bat and shut everyone up.

Doesn't CBS have some of the BE Basketball contract?

I think he has some really good sources, he hasn't been wrong often. CBS really isn't play for the BE so there is not incentive to devalue. It is what it is and who brings the most national interest for football to get the most money.

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyCBS
@KingofPasco SU/Pitt why ACC got $4M more per school. UH & SMU don't own Houston/Dallas markets. If so, why C-USA deal only $16M

Very sensible post, but don't ask a question like the one i bolded, it confuses the dreamers too much.

The same reason that nightmare guys like you can't explain how TCU who oesnt own it's market when from making 1.7 mill on MWC to 20 mill in Big12.

Becasue the Big 12 negoiated on having 10 teams in the conference. It didn't matter who it was, the contract was going to be 20 million whether TCU or so no name college was in there. Thats why the Big 12 had to get West Virgina in this year.


I see Quo above responded also...

(05-24-2012 07:11 PM)jlbphila Wrote:  Source:

Quote:"Name me two or three Big East Conference games of national interest."

Curious to see what others think of this statement. I disagree somewhat. I think at least half (4) of Boise State's games would generate some national interest. For example, Boise-Louisville, Boise-Houston, Boise-SDSU are all good games. I think rivalry games like SMU-Hou, UCF-USF, Rutgers - UConn, would have some national interest if the teams are having decent years.

Unfortunately, i think it is essentially a true statement. The speaker concedes that we can generate one game of national interest per year, and i think that is about correct. E.g., if it turns out that two of our relatively bigger-name programs, like say Boise and Louisville, are both 10-0 and they meet, then that will draw national interest.