I think its here. The college sports internet is mired in stadium threads and ridiculous realignment scenarios. It will be 90 this weekend and we are officially 100 days from Game 1. But hey, freshmen and transfers report in a couple weeks. Keep hope alive.

For me arguing on the internet is more interesting. Our coach lost control of his team and going 2-10 again (or whatever it was) doesn't interest me...a wasted year when we should have gone bowling.

(05-22-2012 04:47 PM)BlueRaiderFan. Wrote:  For me arguing on the internet is more interesting. Our coach lost control of his team and going 2-10 again (or whatever it was) doesn't interest me...a wasted year when we should have gone bowling.

Why did he lose control of his team? No on field player/leadership?

(05-22-2012 04:28 PM)panama Wrote:  I think its here. The college sports internet is mired in stadium threads and ridiculous realignment scenarios. It will be 90 this weekend and we are officially 100 days from Game 1. But hey, freshmen and transfers report in a couple weeks. Keep hope alive.

+ 1 . . . I love it

(05-22-2012 04:28 PM)panama Wrote:  I think its here. The college sports internet is mired in stadium threads and ridiculous realignment scenarios. It will be 90 this weekend and we are officially 100 days from Game 1. But hey, freshmen and transfers report in a couple weeks. Keep hope alive.

well....we could go back to the old version of summer doldrums where the gumps tell the rest of us how they invented foolsball and we couldn't say sh!t back because they kept winning the conference.

yep...we could go back to that.

or just put up with the mayhem that is every former tuba player giving us some lsd inspired super directional school conference....breaking them down into divisions respecting rivalries and making travel scenarios that would make orbitz drop flights and start selling amway.

hell...give me the sousa-ites. i'll take the well deserved break from the gumps.

(05-22-2012 05:09 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Why did he lose control of his team? No on field player/leadership?

1. Inconsistency at key positions. Our QB's never were able to put it together consistently. Our starter would have a 4 TD game and then find himself benched the next week because of bad turnovers. In MT's air raid offense, if the QB isn't performing, nothing works.

2. Injuries completely decimated several units (RBs, DTs), and hit a couple more pretty hard. We started a linebacker at defensive tackle during one game.

3. Poor leadership from coaching staff. The DC was in over his head and unable to cope with injury plagued units, and it showed. OC was fired in mid-season for off the field shenanigans

We hired Tyrone Nix for DC and promoted a guy from within for OC.

4. Bad luck - we didn't get a whole lot of bounces. We had a preseason all-SBC kicker who couldn't make a kick to save his like last year (went like 10-18). Turnover margin was around 100th in the nation. The aforementioned injuries. Etc

This is a team that went to 2 straight bowl games, and has more SBC wins than any team other than Troy. I believe we're too talented to have another year like last year.

Or we'll have a coaching search. Either way, we're in for an exciting year.

(05-22-2012 06:24 PM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 05:09 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Why did he lose control of his team? No on field player/leadership?

1. Inconsistency at key positions. Our QB's never were able to put it together consistently. Our starter would have a 4 TD game and then find himself benched the next week because of bad turnovers. In MT's air raid offense, if the QB isn't performing, nothing works.

2. Injuries completely decimated several units (RBs, DTs), and hit a couple more pretty hard. We started a linebacker at defensive tackle during one game.

3. Poor leadership from coaching staff. The DC was in over his head and unable to cope with injury plagued units, and it showed. OC was fired in mid-season for off the field shenanigans

We hired Tyrone Nix for DC and promoted a guy from within for OC.

4. Bad luck - we didn't get a whole lot of bounces. We had a preseason all-SBC kicker who couldn't make a kick to save his like last year (went like 10-18). Turnover margin was around 100th in the nation. The aforementioned injuries. Etc

This is a team that went to 2 straight bowl games, and has more SBC wins than any team other than Troy. I believe we're too talented to have another year like last year.

Or we'll have a coaching search. Either way, we're in for an exciting year.

We had a bad year also. Only won 8 games. But remember, you are not playing as many bad teams as we are. First team in eight years that didn't have at least 10 wins. Fired or let go over 1/2 the assistant coaches, including one for same thing as your OC. At least we beat GaSouthern though.

Don't ya'll have some good running backs? We hardly ever take any transfers, but Quartterrio Morgan transferred in this summer from Western. We normally take one transfer about every two or three years. Figured you guys must be loaded at RB because he mentioned playing time.

If those coaches had been on your staff several years that's a shame that it got so bad so fast. Injuries you can't do much about, but mess ups in coaching can really kill the entire team fast.

(05-22-2012 07:08 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  If those coaches had been on your staff several years that's a shame that it got so bad so fast. Injuries you can't do much about, but mess ups in coaching can really kill the entire team fast.

We've had a rough run of coaching hires.

Prior to 2009, GA Mangus left as OC to coach QB's for Spurrier.

In 2009, the year we had DC of Manny Diaz (who's now the DC at Texas), and Tony Franklin (left for LaTech after him and Coach Stock didn't see eye to eye).

In 2010, we hired Mike Schultz from TCU for OC and Randall McCray from Wisconsin for DC and it was a disaster. They were both fired after 1 year.

In 2011, we replaced those two with Steve Ellis (a young guy over his head) and promoted Willie Simmons to OC. Simmons did well as OC, but had some off the field troubles and was booted. I don't know if there were many DC's that could have helped.

Next year, we hired Tyrone Nix for DC and am expecting some good things. We promoted Buster Faulkner, who had a pretty high powered offense at Murray State, and took over after Simmons left last year.

In case your counting, in the 5 seasons from 2008-2012, we've had 5 different offensive coordinators and 4 difference DCs.

(05-22-2012 07:50 PM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 07:08 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  If those coaches had been on your staff several years that's a shame that it got so bad so fast. Injuries you can't do much about, but mess ups in coaching can really kill the entire team fast.

We've had a rough run of coaching hires.

Prior to 2009, GA Mangus left as OC to coach QB's for Spurrier.

In 2009, the year we had DC of Manny Diaz (who's now the DC at Texas), and Tony Franklin (left for LaTech after him and Coach Stock didn't see eye to eye).

In 2010, we hired Mike Schultz from TCU for OC and Randall McCray from Wisconsin for DC and it was a disaster. They were both fired after 1 year.

In 2011, we replaced those two with Steve Ellis (a young guy over his head) and promoted Willie Simmons to OC. Simmons did well as OC, but had some off the field troubles and was booted. I don't know if there were many DC's that could have helped.

Next year, we hired Tyrone Nix for DC and am expecting some good things. We promoted Buster Faulkner, who had a pretty high powered offense at Murray State, and took over after Simmons left last year.

In case your counting, in the 5 seasons from 2008-2012, we've had 5 different offensive coordinators and 4 difference DCs.

That is a telling story for those fan bases that want to fire HC's and/or Coordinators after a couple of seasons

(05-22-2012 07:08 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  At least we beat GaSouthern though.

1. Our worst game of the season
2. Your best game of the season
3. Quick never had possession. :)

(05-22-2012 08:21 PM)panama Wrote:  That is a telling story for those fan bases that want to fire HC's and/or Coordinators after a couple of seasons

Southern fired a coach after losing to TxSt in the first round of the 2005 playoffs(8-4 record). Hired a coach and he was run out of town and took the first, and second jobs that were offered to him that off season (3-8). Hired a coach that lasted 3 years before he was fired(7-4, 6-5, 5-6). Hired Monken and have made the final four both years he's coached(10-5, 11-3).

Sometimes you just need to find the right coach.


And don't take it personal, because I know you get very defensive about everything, but State won't improve until yall find the right coaches. Curry isn't the guy for you.

But its a gamble. You can fire a coach too soon based on the fanbase meltdown.

(05-23-2012 08:38 AM)panama Wrote:  But its a gamble. You can fire a coach too soon based on the fanbase meltdown.

Trust me, I know that. Sewak in 2005 was fired too soon. We were setup for a huge run in 2006 and 2007, but instead we had bad years.

Do you think Curry can build a successful program?

(05-23-2012 08:43 AM)Seven Would Be Nice Wrote:  

(05-23-2012 08:38 AM)panama Wrote:  But its a gamble. You can fire a coach too soon based on the fanbase meltdown.

Trust me, I know that. Sewak in 2005 was fired too soon. We were setup for a huge run in 2006 and 2007, but instead we had bad years.

Do you think Curry can build a successful program?

I think it would be silly to think he can't in two football seasons, one of which was a winning season. The thing that irks me is that we have a ton of talent on our team and couldn't seem to get our heads above the water last season.

That could have a lot more to do with the QB inconsistency than anything though. Crazy bad luck for us last season on the QB front. I'd give CBC a few more years, but I have a feeling he won't be back after next season.

(05-23-2012 08:57 AM)Tuscon Wrote:  

(05-23-2012 08:43 AM)Seven Would Be Nice Wrote:  

(05-23-2012 08:38 AM)panama Wrote:  But its a gamble. You can fire a coach too soon based on the fanbase meltdown.

Trust me, I know that. Sewak in 2005 was fired too soon. We were setup for a huge run in 2006 and 2007, but instead we had bad years.

Do you think Curry can build a successful program?

I think it would be silly to think he can't in two football seasons, one of which was a winning season. The thing that irks me is that we have a ton of talent on our team and couldn't seem to get our heads above the water last season.

That could have a lot more to do with the QB inconsistency than anything though. Crazy bad luck for us last season on the QB front. I'd give CBC a few more years, but I have a feeling he won't be back after next season.

He declined a contract renewal, correct? Is there a Head Coach in Waiting on the staff, or will yall look outwards for a new hire?

(05-23-2012 08:57 AM)Tuscon Wrote:  

(05-23-2012 08:43 AM)Seven Would Be Nice Wrote:  

(05-23-2012 08:38 AM)panama Wrote:  But its a gamble. You can fire a coach too soon based on the fanbase meltdown.

Trust me, I know that. Sewak in 2005 was fired too soon. We were setup for a huge run in 2006 and 2007, but instead we had bad years.

Do you think Curry can build a successful program?

I think it would be silly to think he can't in two football seasons, one of which was a winning season. The thing that irks me is that we have a ton of talent on our team and couldn't seem to get our heads above the water last season.

That could have a lot more to do with the QB inconsistency than anything though. Crazy bad luck for us last season on the QB front. I'd give CBC a few more years, but I have a feeling he won't be back after next season.

Zero chance with the succubus running the department

(05-23-2012 09:04 AM)Seven Would Be Nice Wrote:  He declined a contract renewal, correct? Is there a Head Coach in Waiting on the staff, or will yall look outwards for a new hire?

Declined to comment. Publicly, he is saying that he will decide when his contract is up after next season. I have a feeling that means he won't be back as no Coach wants to have that kind of uncertainty hovering over the program if they're coming back.

(05-23-2012 09:38 AM)Tuscon Wrote:  

(05-23-2012 09:04 AM)Seven Would Be Nice Wrote:  He declined a contract renewal, correct? Is there a Head Coach in Waiting on the staff, or will yall look outwards for a new hire?

Declined to comment. Publicly, he is saying that he will decide when his contract is up after next season. I have a feeling that means he won't be back as no Coach wants to have that kind of uncertainty hovering over the program if they're coming back.

He won't be back and panama nailed the "why".