(05-22-2012 10:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Lots of bickering between the UNT and Texas State fans. Dont the Mean Green have UTSA to worry about?

I had the exact same thought. Why aren't these guys over on the CUSA board?

(05-22-2012 10:22 PM)ScrappyCat Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 10:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Lots of bickering between the UNT and Texas State fans. Dont the Mean Green have UTSA to worry about?

I had the exact same thought. Why aren't these guys over on the CUSA board?

Thanks, but we're still in the Belt until June 2013 and you're not a member until June 2013.

(05-22-2012 09:53 PM)dewclaws Wrote:  You must be from a different part of Houston. I rarely see any UNT stuff driving in from the burbs, through downtown and the med center. I am actually surprised by how many Texas State stickers I see. Seem to have grown exponentially in the past five years or so. They are all over the place now (and being from Houston, you'll appreciate how much time is spent sitting in traffic with nothing to do but read bumper stickers). Just calling it like I see it. I disagree with your negative Texas State comments, but I have nothing against UNT. I know a couple people who studied music there. Best of luck in C-USA.

Agreed. I've lived in or spent major time in most of the major Texas cities. Count me in as seeing way more TXST gear/alum in Houston, Austin and San Antonio than unt stuff. Fort Worth is crawling with unt alum though, so they've got that.

Anyway, I'll attempt to bring this back on topic - congrats to UTA. As I said in another post, they've been solid in men's basketball and baseball for a while now and in that respect I think they're a good pickup for the SBC and I really hope they do well in the conference. But like another poster said, I kind of cringe at the thought of them starting football up again, only because I think the FBS landscape is so watered down in Texas as it is right now.

And before all the UNT posters start jumping up my a$$, I understand the hypocrisy in my post, being that we are so new to the FBS landscape myself. I'm sure fans of many other established FBS schools feel the same way about us and UTSA. But that's just the way I see it.

(05-22-2012 02:42 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 01:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Funny.

One of the reasons I'm leery of UTA is because they have a stadium in place and with an investment in it could add football.

I'm not terribly excited about the idea of being the home of Texas' 13th FBS program nor the metroplex's 4th program.

I'm fine with having non-football programs provided they raise the bar in basketball.

and this basketball knock is coming from a stAte fan????..really.....

How about you go learn how to read. You have to be essentially illiterate to consider that a "knock".

How about you take a few minutes to read the board and go back and see where I've touted UTA's RPI as a positive. Maybe take a few minutes to see where I've said UTA would help raise the bar in basketball instead of getting huffy because I disagree with the people who oppose UTA merely because the Mavericks don't play football. I've advocated adding non-football schools. As I stated, my sole concern about UTA is that you might add football down the road since you have facilities and we have no choice about whether we want another football member.

(05-22-2012 09:45 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  . . subpar academics? Riiiiiiight . .. That's why we're an Emerging Research University .. .

The subject of academics frequently comes up and it usually centers around research funding. While it can be a source of pride for those of our schools who are heavy into research, it is only one metric amongst many when considering overall academic quality. Personally, it matters not a hill of beans from the standpoint of athletics, but in the FWIW department, here you go...

National Science Foundation

Academic Research and Development Expenditures:
Fiscal Year 2009 (latest year reported)

(Dollars in thousands)
38 U. AL Birmingham 431,732
106 Tulane U. 155,139
139 FL International 91,278
148 Rice 78,745
155 Old Dominion U. 71,909
158 U. LA Lafayette 68,018
167 GA State U. 60,557
171 U. TX El Paso 56,635
174 U. TX Arlington 51,673
178 U. Southern MS 46,744
180 U. Memphis 45,747
182 FL Atlantic 44,334
184 U. TX San Antonio 43,818
213 U. North TX Health Science Ctr. Ft. Worth 29,582
215 U. South AL 29,197
231 East Carolina U. 24,177
243 U. North TX 19,552
246 LA Tech U. 18,060
253 TX State U. San Marcos 15,742
271 U. Tulsa 12,525
275 Boise State U. 11,955 (just for perspective)
296 U. AR Little Rock 9,269
301 AR State U. main campus 8,622
303 Western KY U. 8,516
347 U. LA Monroe 4,794
391 Appalachian State U. 2,937 (just because)
416 Middle TN State U. 2,482
458 GA Southern U. 1,656 (just because)

http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/nsf11313/pdf/nsf11313.pdf (page 193)

(05-22-2012 07:39 PM)meangreener Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 06:53 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 04:26 PM)YouCanUseaMint Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 02:38 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 12:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Now the Sun Belt hasn't lost DFW (they have in football) completely. They're still in South Florida, they've added Atlanta and a school with a broad based Texas appeal (Texas State - a primarily residential school - unlike UTA or UNT).

From a market perspective, CUSA really hasn't taken that much from us.

UTA did draw more in basketball than your broad based appealing Texas State. 2,131 to 2,030. So maybe the broad based appeal isn't as much as you think. At this point UTA's basketball is solid and Texas States is horrible.

That's enlightening coming from a UNT fan. Tell us about your storied basketball program, yeah?

Here in Houston, Texas State registers on the map. UNT, not so much. People MOVE to Texas State to go to school. They have to, there's nothing else there. What percentage of UNT's students are from Harris, Bexar, or Travis counties?

Hahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha.

Sorry. I just laughed in real life.

I'm from Houston. I moved from Houston to Denton. As did my roommate. And my freshman RA. And I see UNT shirts a lot. And stickers. Way more than Texas State. I know at least 10 people from Houston that were friends who went to UNT. Please, son. I grew up in Houston. Stop stirring the pot. Your irrational hate for UNT is amusing. Texas State is purely a party school with subpar academics. Hell, our nutty furniture guy Mattress Mac who purely represents Houston as it is is from UNT.

Wait until the UH vs. UNT game when a good 1/4 are Mean Green fans.

I've lived in Houston for 15 years. I don't think I have ever seen a UNT shirt, logo, bumpersticker or anything. Texas State people are certainly much more visible in Houston, Austin, and San Antonio. Then again, I live inside loop 610. Maybe in places I rarely go to (eg far suburbs) there's a big group of Mean Greeners.

I don't hate UNT. I just don't think losing them is as much of a loss as the UNT people think it is.

We're still in the DFW metroplex. We added a school that appears to have fans that represent the school on a statewide basis.

I wish you the best of luck in CUSA. And we shall see how many of your fans show up at Robertson Stadium

(05-22-2012 11:10 PM)LFTCajun Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 09:45 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  . . subpar academics? Riiiiiiight . .. That's why we're an Emerging Research University .. .

The subject of academics frequently comes up and it usually centers around research funding. While it can be a source of pride for those of our schools who are heavy into research, it is only one metric amongst many when considering overall academic quality. Personally, it matters not a hill of beans from the standpoint of athletics, but in the FWIW department, here you go...

National Science Foundation

Academic Research and Development Expenditures:
Fiscal Year 2009 (latest year reported)

(Dollars in thousands)
38 U. AL Birmingham 431,732
106 Tulane U. 155,139
139 FL International 91,278
148 Rice 78,745
155 Old Dominion U. 71,909
158 U. LA Lafayette 68,018
167 GA State U. 60,557
171 U. TX El Paso 56,635
174 U. TX Arlington 51,673
178 U. Southern MS 46,744
180 U. Memphis 45,747
182 FL Atlantic 44,334
184 U. TX San Antonio 43,818
213 U. North TX Health Science Ctr. Ft. Worth 29,582
215 U. South AL 29,197
231 East Carolina U. 24,177
243 U. North TX 19,552
246 LA Tech U. 18,060
253 TX State U. San Marcos 15,742
271 U. Tulsa 12,525
275 Boise State U. 11,955 (just for perspective)
296 U. AR Little Rock 9,269
301 AR State U. main campus 8,622
303 Western KY U. 8,516
347 U. LA Monroe 4,794
391 Appalachian State U. 2,937 (just because)
416 Middle TN State U. 2,482
458 GA Southern U. 1,656 (just because)

http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/nsf11313/pdf/nsf11313.pdf (page 193)

That's one of those things that isn't always easy to pin all the way down. I will wager that some of the schools are involved with projects that don't show exactly on the the budget. For example in Arkansas we have a consortium called the Arkansas Bioscience Institue. It is a partnership of Arkansas-Fayetteville, Arkansas State, the University of Arkansas - Medical Science, and Arkansas Children's Hospital. There are professors at Arkansas State who get part of their pay from one of the other three institutions that are members because they have an expertise needed for a project housed at one of the other institutions. ASU and UAMS each got new buildings dedicated to the institute but some operations at each may actually be funded and run by one of the others. Stuff like that gets murky like trying to sort out who gets credit for what in North Carolina's famed Research Triangle.

I live outside the loop in Katy, and there isn't much unt stuff out there as far a t-shirts and car signage. A friend of wife's went to unt, but that is the only person I know of personally. I do see tx st, utsa, and ul stuff at times though.

Needless to say if you are in katy and see a male with south gear on it is probably me.

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(05-22-2012 10:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Lots of bickering between the UNT and Texas State fans. Dont the Mean Green have UTSA to worry about?

Ummmm....................no
1 - UTSA didn't have a football team when UNT was in the same conference as TXST; ergo, no rivalry/animosity developed
2 - It's UTSA

(05-23-2012 12:51 AM)mts305 Wrote:  I live outside the loop in Katy, and there isn't much unt stuff out there as far a t-shirts and car signage. A friend of wife's went to unt, but that is the only person I know of personally. I do see tx st, utsa, and ul stuff at times though.

Needless to say if you are in katy and see a male with south gear on it is probably me.

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I'm moving there and building a house in Westheimer Lakes North. I'll be on the lookout for you. And hey, we need to meet up at the Ragin Cajun in Sugar Land. I'll buy the first round.

(05-23-2012 12:44 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  That's one of those things that isn't always easy to pin all the way down. I will wager that some of the schools are involved with projects that don't show exactly on the the budget. For example in Arkansas we have a consortium called the Arkansas Bioscience Institue. It is a partnership of Arkansas-Fayetteville, Arkansas State, the University of Arkansas - Medical Science, and Arkansas Children's Hospital. There are professors at Arkansas State who get part of their pay from one of the other three institutions that are members because they have an expertise needed for a project housed at one of the other institutions. ASU and UAMS each got new buildings dedicated to the institute but some operations at each may actually be funded and run by one of the others. Stuff like that gets murky like trying to sort out who gets credit for what in North Carolina's famed Research Triangle.

Prime example why none of the academic rankings mean crap in the grand scheme. UAB has killer research funding. Whoop-de-do. Just about all of us would kill them on the football field. That's my main point. stAte will likely become the first SBC team to get ranked, regardless of research funding, no matter how misrepresented, or murky...

I lived in West U. Either your lying, or you are blind. I can go down to Houston right now and point out a UNT bumper sticker within 20 minutes.

And we bicker because TSSM has this hilarious inferiority complex that they just spread everywhere like herpes. That's what Texas State does, they find some stupid but also hilarious way to put down UNT any chance they get. It's funny. Newsflash, I could've gotten into TSSM. Anyone with a pulse can get into TSSM.

(05-23-2012 05:53 AM)meangreener Wrote:  I lived in West U. Either your lying, or you are blind. I can go down to Houston right now and point out a UNT bumper sticker within 20 minutes.

And we bicker because TSSM has this hilarious inferiority complex that they just spread everywhere like herpes. That's what Texas State does, they find some stupid but also hilarious way to put down UNT any chance they get. It's funny. Newsflash, I could've gotten into TSSM. Anyone with a pulse can get into TSSM.

academic standing is actually important in the grand scheme of things. If you read any of the utsa blogs from the past couple of years you will see that the main reason driving their sports reassessment is their hope to achieve tier one status. they have stated that since you are judged by the friends you keep, they want to move away from the regional schools like SFA and McNeese and so on and align themselves with schools of higher prominance....being in a higher profile conference is just one part of attaining that goal. why do you think in the 50+ years of their existence they just now realized.."hey we should get up a football team"

(05-23-2012 05:53 AM)meangreener Wrote:  I lived in West U. Either your lying, or you are blind. I can go down to Houston right now and point out a UNT bumper sticker within 20 minutes.

And we bicker because TSSM has this hilarious inferiority complex that they just spread everywhere like herpes. That's what Texas State does, they find some stupid but also hilarious way to put down UNT any chance they get. It's funny. Newsflash, I could've gotten into TSSM. Anyone with a pulse can get into TSSM.

I lived for 5 years at Buffalo Speedway and North Braeswood. I live in (guess) Lazybrook now. Sorry I don't see any representation of UNT here.

I know lots of Texas State grads. I don't know any UNT grads. Maybe I do, but they don't advertise that fact as much as Texas State grads do.

If you have a presence in Houston, UNT isn't doing as good a job as TXST at advertising it. Perhaps UNT could work on that.

I have no idea what the entry qualifications for Texas State vs UNT are. Or the relative academic ranking of either school. I'm not from Texas, I went to USA for one of my undergrad degrees. And USA is a commuter school. It was also harder than my other undergraduate school (George Washington University).

I'm just observing what I see.

(05-23-2012 12:51 AM)mts305 Wrote:  I live outside the loop in Katy, and there isn't much unt stuff out there as far a t-shirts and car signage. A friend of wife's went to unt, but that is the only person I know of personally. I do see tx st, utsa, and ul stuff at times though.

Needless to say if you are in katy and see a male with south gear on it is probably me.

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You might be alone in Katy, but there are two USA grads in my neighborhood in Houston. And I know three other USA grads (we all live in the inner loop)

(05-22-2012 10:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Lots of bickering between the UNT and Texas State fans. Dont the Mean Green have UTSA to worry about?

Rowdy is waiting for them! LOL

All I'm saying is at one point there were four UNT billboards from Galveston to The Woodlands on I-45. There's plenty of market penetration in Houston.

(05-23-2012 09:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-23-2012 05:53 AM)meangreener Wrote:  I lived in West U. Either your lying, or you are blind. I can go down to Houston right now and point out a UNT bumper sticker within 20 minutes.

And we bicker because TSSM has this hilarious inferiority complex that they just spread everywhere like herpes. That's what Texas State does, they find some stupid but also hilarious way to put down UNT any chance they get. It's funny. Newsflash, I could've gotten into TSSM. Anyone with a pulse can get into TSSM.

I lived for 5 years at Buffalo Speedway and North Braeswood. I live in (guess) Lazybrook now. Sorry I don't see any representation of UNT here.

I know lots of Texas State grads. I don't know any UNT grads. Maybe I do, but they don't advertise that fact as much as Texas State grads do.

If you have a presence in Houston, UNT isn't doing as good a job as TXST at advertising it. Perhaps UNT could work on that.

I have no idea what the entry qualifications for Texas State vs UNT are. Or the relative academic ranking of either school. I'm not from Texas, I went to USA for one of my undergrad degrees. And USA is a commuter school. It was also harder than my other undergraduate school (George Washington University).

I'm just observing what I see.

You been by campus lately?

I was over the other day, hadn't been in a while, and saw the new dorm they built up by Fraternity Row.
It was huge and impressive.
Just ballparking, it is as big as all the Deltas put together with change.

(05-23-2012 05:53 AM)meangreener Wrote:  I lived in West U. Either your lying, or you are blind. I can go down to Houston right now and point out a UNT bumper sticker within 20 minutes.

And we bicker because TSSM has this hilarious inferiority complex that they just spread everywhere like herpes. That's what Texas State does, they find some stupid but also hilarious way to put down UNT any chance they get. It's funny. Newsflash, I could've gotten into TSSM. Anyone with a pulse can get into TSSM.

I see it the opposite. UNT fans act like the world is out to get them.

And bringing up getting into either school is a jokein itself. We both know both aren't very hard to get into and that UTSA is the easiest one of all to get in. 97% acceptance rate or something crazy.

I lived in dfw and my parents made me apply to UNT. I visited and didn't care for it. Sent an application and got a response that I was accepted that same week (no lie). Only Netflix is faster at getting back to you. I got into schools like A&M too but it wasn't what I was interested in. I ultimately choose Texas St because I like the campus, hill country, and offered a degree I was looking for.