(05-21-2012 11:06 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Another thread not going well for Stever...

Yep. I thought he was salvageable, but it's time to add him to the ignore list. He's not interested in any true exchange of ideas.

Good night Mark.

Cheers,
Neil

Jug of Snyder has the same amount of credibility as Greg Swaim and "The Dude." Zippo.

(05-21-2012 11:04 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 11:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  what number do you not agree with?

All of it...how much is TV really going to pay for a bowl game not guaranteed to be of any significance other than a game similar a 2nd rate BCS Bowl most years? Don't we kinda have to wait for more info?

Right now- the current Sugar, Orange, and Fiesta along with the title game gets 125 million per year. That's 31 million per game. This deal was done Fall 2008- worst possible time ever for any negotiations....

A bowl guaranteed between SEC and Big 12 team- on BCS level will get a boatload of TV money. Think- this year- would have had #2 Alabama if it was a champions only final 4. A few years ago- would have had 3 Texas vs 4 Alabama. Think the networks wouldn't love that?

(05-21-2012 11:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 11:04 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 11:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  what number do you not agree with?

All of it...how much is TV really going to pay for a bowl game not guaranteed to be of any significance other than a game similar a 2nd rate BCS Bowl most years? Don't we kinda have to wait for more info?

Right now- the current Sugar, Orange, and Fiesta along with the title game gets 125 million per year. That's 31 million per game. This deal was done Fall 2008- worst possible time ever for any negotiations....

A bowl guaranteed between SEC and Big 12 team- on BCS level will get a boatload of TV money. Think- this year- would have had #2 Alabama if it was a champions only final 4. A few years ago- would have had 3 Texas vs 4 Alabama. Think the networks wouldn't love that?

And I would have killed to see Texas try to play the Tide....ugliness.....

bottom line is there's nothing that the acc can do to match even the champions bowl. Who are they going to play? Big East? Notre Dame?

(05-21-2012 11:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 11:01 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 10:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Logic....
ACC already actually not even the 17.1 that everyone was talking -but closer to 16 because the conference gets a share.
Big 12 currently at 20, will grow to at least 22 million with FSU/Clemson
so difference there of 6 million.

then if it's plus one-
champions bowl- worth probably 50 million plus just in TV money, then 15 mil in ticket sales, then naming rights, etc. Easy to see 80 million in total rights- divide by 2- that's 40 million.
ACC bowl- worth maybe 20 million in tv money, then 15 mil in ticket sales, naming rights etc. 45 million divided by 2 would be 22 million.

18 million is 1.5 million per school in 12 team big 12.

6+1.5= 7.5 million.

I like that the B12 runs on volunteer labor.

How do you think one game is going to be worth 80-100 million dollars and it isn't even the championship game?

well for one- there is no bowl committee etc.
TV revenue- easily in the 40-50 million dollar range. Since most years would be an automatic semifinal in a plus one setting. Easily.
Ticket sales- someone said 90k tickets sold times 250 each ticket- 22.5 million
So just in tv and tickets you're up to 62.5-72.5 million dollars.
title rights
concessions
parking
media rights- radio

You aren't going to get 250 dollars per ticket for 90k tickets to a game that has no title implications. Even if you did, there are huge amounts given to sponsors, the community etc. on top of that you have to pay someone to sell them. Just sitting here saying you can make 22.5 million on tickets is absurd.

(05-21-2012 11:30 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 11:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 11:01 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 10:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Logic....
ACC already actually not even the 17.1 that everyone was talking -but closer to 16 because the conference gets a share.
Big 12 currently at 20, will grow to at least 22 million with FSU/Clemson
so difference there of 6 million.

then if it's plus one-
champions bowl- worth probably 50 million plus just in TV money, then 15 mil in ticket sales, then naming rights, etc. Easy to see 80 million in total rights- divide by 2- that's 40 million.
ACC bowl- worth maybe 20 million in tv money, then 15 mil in ticket sales, naming rights etc. 45 million divided by 2 would be 22 million.

18 million is 1.5 million per school in 12 team big 12.

6+1.5= 7.5 million.

I like that the B12 runs on volunteer labor.

How do you think one game is going to be worth 80-100 million dollars and it isn't even the championship game?

well for one- there is no bowl committee etc.
TV revenue- easily in the 40-50 million dollar range. Since most years would be an automatic semifinal in a plus one setting. Easily.
Ticket sales- someone said 90k tickets sold times 250 each ticket- 22.5 million
So just in tv and tickets you're up to 62.5-72.5 million dollars.
title rights
concessions
parking
media rights- radio

You aren't going to get 250 dollars per ticket for 90k tickets to a game that has no title implications. Even if you did, there are huge amounts given to sponsors, the community etc. on top of that you have to pay someone to sell them. Just sitting here saying you can make 22.5 million on tickets is absurd.

even making 15 million is reasonable. Also- if it's in a plus one situation(where bowls are all played with no brackets- then top 2 teams after bowls play for title game)- it would have direct title game implications.

(05-21-2012 10:36 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Actually I saw a meerkat on television tonight that had been biten in the face by a cobra. The meerkat was close to death for a couple of days and the next thing you know he is up again eating worms. Amazing; oh yeah and so is the potential FSU and Clemson news.

I thought that was HoneyBadger... he didn't give a $hit, so he got back up.

(05-21-2012 11:34 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 11:30 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 11:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 11:01 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 10:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Logic....
ACC already actually not even the 17.1 that everyone was talking -but closer to 16 because the conference gets a share.
Big 12 currently at 20, will grow to at least 22 million with FSU/Clemson
so difference there of 6 million.

then if it's plus one-
champions bowl- worth probably 50 million plus just in TV money, then 15 mil in ticket sales, then naming rights, etc. Easy to see 80 million in total rights- divide by 2- that's 40 million.
ACC bowl- worth maybe 20 million in tv money, then 15 mil in ticket sales, naming rights etc. 45 million divided by 2 would be 22 million.

18 million is 1.5 million per school in 12 team big 12.

6+1.5= 7.5 million.

I like that the B12 runs on volunteer labor.

How do you think one game is going to be worth 80-100 million dollars and it isn't even the championship game?

well for one- there is no bowl committee etc.
TV revenue- easily in the 40-50 million dollar range. Since most years would be an automatic semifinal in a plus one setting. Easily.
Ticket sales- someone said 90k tickets sold times 250 each ticket- 22.5 million
So just in tv and tickets you're up to 62.5-72.5 million dollars.
title rights
concessions
parking
media rights- radio

You aren't going to get 250 dollars per ticket for 90k tickets to a game that has no title implications. Even if you did, there are huge amounts given to sponsors, the community etc. on top of that you have to pay someone to sell them. Just sitting here saying you can make 22.5 million on tickets is absurd.

even making 15 million is reasonable. Also- if it's in a plus one situation(where bowls are all played with no brackets- then top 2 teams after bowls play for title game)- it would have direct title game implications.

Didn't the release say this was for the champions if they weren't in the playoff?

Go FSU cheerleaders!

(05-21-2012 10:36 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 10:32 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  If this comes to pass, it will be the biggest comeback from the dead in history, since Lazurus....

Actually I saw a meerkat on television tonight that had been biten in the face by a cobra. The meerkat was close to death for a couple of days and the next thing you know he is up again eating worms. Amazing; oh yeah and so is the potential FSU and Clemson news.

Clemson moving to a conference not named Southeastern is baffling.

(05-22-2012 10:20 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Clemson moving to a conference not named Southeastern is baffling.

Having been to Clemson it definitely feels like a SEC school when you walk around the campus and take in the gameday enviornment but then again so does WVU.

Rename the Big 12 the SoutheasternPlainsAppalachianCoastalNortheasternGreatLakes 16.

"SPACNGL" for ESPNionics purposes.

Add:

Clemson
FSU
ND
Louisville
Pitt
Syracuse

Done. The name is now representative.

Terry, we are the retched refuse...

(05-21-2012 10:36 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 10:32 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  If this comes to pass, it will be the biggest comeback from the dead in history, since Lazurus....

Actually I saw a meerkat on television tonight that had been biten in the face by a cobra. The meerkat was close to death for a couple of days and the next thing you know he is up again eating worms. Amazing; oh yeah and so is the potential FSU and Clemson news.

The B12 is like the "honey badger" of the college world. They dont take no crap

Will anyone remember when these sites are all exposed as being completely full of schitt?

(05-21-2012 10:43 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Wouldn't it be funny if cooler heads prevail and the ACC remains intact? I'm not sure University Presidents/Chancellors + BOTs will want to move over a few million.

Says the Cuse fan who is leaving the Big East for a few million.

(05-22-2012 08:47 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 10:43 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Wouldn't it be funny if cooler heads prevail and the ACC remains intact? I'm not sure University Presidents/Chancellors + BOTs will want to move over a few million.

Says the Cuse fan who is leaving the Big East for a few million.

Well we thought we were leaving for more stability.

But all kidding aside and looking at what existed at that time (and still does exist)

better academics - check
better all around sports - check
better geographical rivalries - check
better football - ? (depends on whether Pitt, WVU, and others would leave or not)
more money now - check
more money long-term assuming we stayed where we were - no

For FSU the above is

better academics - no
better all around sports - no
better geographical rivalries - no
better football - yes
more money now - yes
more money long-term assuming the Seminoles stayed - ? (depends upon whether or not Miami and FSU can get back to their 90s days)

So, the decision is not as clear-cut for FSU vs SU except in terms of more money now.

Cheers,
Neil

(05-22-2012 08:47 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 10:43 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Wouldn't it be funny if cooler heads prevail and the ACC remains intact? I'm not sure University Presidents/Chancellors + BOTs will want to move over a few million.

Says the Cuse fan who is leaving the Big East for a few million.

Actually I'm not moving but SU's Athletic teams are moving for about $13M more...plus it makes sense geographically and academically