(05-17-2012 03:04 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Sorry but I'm not going to apologize for calling these crazy teabaggers crazy, which they very clearly are. First of all "*********" for me is a catch-all generic term for anything far right wing, so I don't really care whether they are actually card carrying "Tea Party"ers. Second, I wasn't necessarily saying that all teabaggers are crazy, but rather that these crazy teabaggers are crazy. Same goes for Tea Party proper.

What about them in particular is "very clearly" crazy?

How about this part?

"Ferlin Kearns, a member of Govern Edmond Locally, also accused University of Central Oklahoma President Don Betz of being pals with terrorists because of his academic ties."

How about the part where they oppose sister cityhood with a Russian city because it's communist? How about the basic fear they have that this sister cityhood will take away their personal property and assume some sort of UN jurisdiction over their town hall? What's next? Chemtrails! Fluoride in my drinking water!

I completely disagree with the stink these people are raising. But if this is the "craziest" example people can find, that says something right there. This little group protesting the sister-city thing sounds like your typical tin-foil conspiracy theorist drones. But nothing in the article mentions violence, the blocking shipping ports or plans to blow up an Ohio bridge.

(05-17-2012 03:04 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Sorry but I'm not going to apologize for calling these crazy teabaggers crazy, which they very clearly are. First of all "*********" for me is a catch-all generic term for anything far right wing, so I don't really care whether they are actually card carrying "Tea Party"ers. Second, I wasn't necessarily saying that all teabaggers are crazy, but rather that these crazy teabaggers are crazy. Same goes for Tea Party proper.

As an educated person..you know that words have meanings. You may choose to use a word anyway you wish but that does not excuse you from being wrong.

(05-17-2012 04:08 PM)Max Power Wrote:  How about this part?

"Ferlin Kearns, a member of Govern Edmond Locally, also accused University of Central Oklahoma President Don Betz of being pals with terrorists because of his academic ties."

How about the part where they oppose sister cityhood with a Russian city because it's communist? How about the basic fear they have that this sister cityhood will take away their personal property and assume some sort of UN jurisdiction over their town hall? What's next? Chemtrails! Fluoride in my drinking water!

It's 15 people, Just 15. The Kearns guys is crazy, I'll give you that, to suggest Betz is "pals with terrorists because of his academic ties." His basis though for the statement isn't completely unfounded. Betz has extensive ties with the United Nations and various NGO's relating to Palestine. Nothing to suggest his is pals with terrorists, but enough to cause Kearns (who I agress is stretching at best and his statement is crazy) to make that leap.
Betz middle east ties, no mention of terrorists.

As for the fears regarding personal property, that isn't unfounded either. The sister cityhood iniative is part of Agenda 21, and the UN has a longstanding and well publicized stance on private ownership of land.

Quote:The Agenda 21 plan openly targets private property. For over thirty-five years the UN has made their stance very clear on the issue of individuals owning land;

Land… cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market. Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth and therefore contributes to social injustice; if unchecked, it may become a major obstacle in the planning and implementation of development schemes. The provision of decent dwellings and healthy conditions for the people can only be achieved if land is used in the interest of society as a whole.

Its not a fear that the sister cityhood itself will somehow "control" their land, it's the fact that the sister cityhood iniative is part of Agenda 21 which contains many policies and ideas that many Americans in general are not comfortable with.
Agenda 21 has been 30 years in the making and will take at least another 30 before many people wake up and realize the end game of a world government.
These 15 people are protesting the introduction of parts of Agenda 21 into US laws and are well within their rights. I agree that the protest of the sister cityhood is a bit crazy, but, it is what it is.

Go ahead, fire away and call me crazy if you want. I'm not agreeing with these 15, but I understand their desire for the US not to allow UN policy to have more influence over US law and way of life than it already does.

(05-17-2012 02:05 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  (Doens't ANYONE see what I am doing here?)

(05-17-2012 03:18 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 03:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 03:07 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 03:04 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Sorry but I'm not going to apologize for calling these crazy teabaggers crazy, which they very clearly are. First of all "*********" for me is a catch-all generic term for anything far right wing, so I don't really care whether they are actually card carrying "Tea Party"ers. Second, I wasn't necessarily saying that all teabaggers are crazy, but rather that these crazy teabaggers are crazy. Same goes for Tea Party proper.

Of course not. That would go against the socialist mantra of never admit to being wrong or crazy...just change the subject.

Exactly!

Never admitting errors or craziness is clearly only a socialist trait.

Good Point.

I admit that I am crazy, but I'm not a "*********" or socialist or democrat or republican.

Yeah, I always expected you were the teabagee.

(05-17-2012 07:05 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 02:05 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  (Doens't ANYONE see what I am doing here?)

Hey Paul, you are a part of that group aren't you?

The title of this thread should read: In the battle of wits...Max Power is unarmed.

(05-17-2012 06:30 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 04:08 PM)Max Power Wrote:  How about this part?

"Ferlin Kearns, a member of Govern Edmond Locally, also accused University of Central Oklahoma President Don Betz of being pals with terrorists because of his academic ties."

How about the part where they oppose sister cityhood with a Russian city because it's communist? How about the basic fear they have that this sister cityhood will take away their personal property and assume some sort of UN jurisdiction over their town hall? What's next? Chemtrails! Fluoride in my drinking water!

It's 15 people, Just 15. The Kearns guys is crazy, I'll give you that, to suggest Betz is "pals with terrorists because of his academic ties." His basis though for the statement isn't completely unfounded. Betz has extensive ties with the United Nations and various NGO's relating to Palestine. Nothing to suggest his is pals with terrorists, but enough to cause Kearns (who I agress is stretching at best and his statement is crazy) to make that leap.
Betz middle east ties, no mention of terrorists.

As for the fears regarding personal property, that isn't unfounded either. The sister cityhood iniative is part of Agenda 21, and the UN has a longstanding and well publicized stance on private ownership of land.

Quote:The Agenda 21 plan openly targets private property. For over thirty-five years the UN has made their stance very clear on the issue of individuals owning land;

Land… cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market. Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth and therefore contributes to social injustice; if unchecked, it may become a major obstacle in the planning and implementation of development schemes. The provision of decent dwellings and healthy conditions for the people can only be achieved if land is used in the interest of society as a whole.

Its not a fear that the sister cityhood itself will somehow "control" their land, it's the fact that the sister cityhood iniative is part of Agenda 21 which contains many policies and ideas that many Americans in general are not comfortable with.
Agenda 21 has been 30 years in the making and will take at least another 30 before many people wake up and realize the end game of a world government.
These 15 people are protesting the introduction of parts of Agenda 21 into US laws and are well within their rights. I agree that the protest of the sister cityhood is a bit crazy, but, it is what it is.

Go ahead, fire away and call me crazy if you want. I'm not agreeing with these 15, but I understand their desire for the US not to allow UN policy to have more influence over US law and way of life than it already does.

Agenda 21 will never be implemented in this country. It would require amending our constitution. Their paranoia over Agenda 21 is completely unfounded.

And to protest a sister city program, which generally is just an excuse to exchange dignitaries and students and stick a sign at the entrance of the respective cities, because of some fear over Agenda 21 taking all your land, is crazy. It's like protesting UNICEF because you're afraid the United Nations will somehow use it in their quest to impose one world government.

(05-18-2012 02:27 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Agenda 21 will never be implemented in this country. It would require amending our constitution.

So should LOST but unfortunately that's not stopping congress.. Hell if they can force me to buy a product from a private citizen I don't see what in Agenda 21 is outside of the commerce clause...

Max seems to think that our politicians would NEVER do something that went against the Constitution. Oh, to be young and naive again........





Thanks for that link, NIUAlum90.

This administration has been going around Congress almost nonstop to get things into law via regulatory rule-making in the bureaucratic agencies for issues/ideas that they couldn't get through a democrat controlled Congress.

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along now.

(05-18-2012 03:10 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Max seems to think that our politicians would NEVER do something that went against the Constitution. Oh, to be young and naive again........





Thanks for that link, NIUAlum90.

This administration has been going around Congress almost nonstop to get things into law via regulatory rule-making in the bureaucratic agencies for issues/ideas that they couldn't get through a democrat controlled Congress.

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along now.

YEAH!!! WHAT HE SAID!!! Like this:

Bill To End Indefinite Detention Fails In House

WASHINGTON -- A judge may have found unconstitutional the law that allows people to be held indefinitely without trial by the military, but the House of Representatives voted Friday to keep it anyway.

(05-18-2012 02:27 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Agenda 21 will never be implemented in this country. It would require amending our constitution. Their paranoia over Agenda 21 is completely unfounded.

And to protest a sister city program, which generally is just an excuse to exchange dignitaries and students and stick a sign at the entrance of the respective cities, because of some fear over Agenda 21 taking all your land, is crazy. It's like protesting UNICEF because you're afraid the United Nations will somehow use it in their quest to impose one world government.

Agenda 21 works through NGO's (Non-Government Organzations) and is in a way designed to work around governments as long as possible. You are absolutely correct that Agenda 21 would require an ammendment to the Constitution, however, several Executive Orders have been signed in the past 20 years by Clinton and Obama that lay the groundwork for for various parts of Agenda 21 to be implemented. Like I said in my previous post, this has been 30 years in the making, it will be another 30 before most people realize just how serious many of these seemingly harmless inniatives are and what they lay the groundwork for in the future.