(05-15-2012 11:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:34 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:13 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 10:54 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  It is to late for CUSA now. It cannot ever become a major player. Indeed CUSA is a conference in decline. It may exist but it has join the ranks of the Missouri Valley, the Southern and Ohio Valley conferences.

They are still better than the sunbelt and MAC, but the gap is now huge between the Big East and c-USA. The MWC will take a hit if they lose Air Force.

Any time a conference gets raided, it becomes weaker. That's because the raiding conference takes the "cream" programs, and the raided conference has to replace them with lesser programs.

The Big 12 is weaker than it was 2 years ago. The Big East is weaker than it was last year. C-USA is weaker than it was last year.

Whether the "gap" between C-USA and Big East is greater/lesser than it was a year ago is an open question. I suspect it is lesser, since the Big East didn't add its new teams until it was raided. But who knows for sure?

You're ******* kidding right? The Big East just took the "cream" of C-USA and C-USA replaced them with FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT and Charlotte. The gap between the conferences got wider, a lot wider.

At first impression, I'd say the gap between WVU, Pitt, Syracuse and Houston, SMU, Temple, Memphis, UCF, Boise, SDSU is probably bigger than the gap between the latter group and FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT, and Charlotte. Either way, it is close.

lol, 100% fail. WVU was the only good football school that left...pitt and syracuse are awful. Boise is better than all 3. There is no addition CUSA made that is better than any of the teams that left. Half of the additions don't even play D1 football yet and one doesn't even have a football team.

As for the exit fee, I have it on good accord UCF paid $500K and that was it.

(05-15-2012 11:34 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:13 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 10:54 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  It is to late for CUSA now. It cannot ever become a major player. Indeed CUSA is a conference in decline. It may exist but it has join the ranks of the Missouri Valley, the Southern and Ohio Valley conferences.

They are still better than the sunbelt and MAC, but the gap is now huge between the Big East and c-USA. The MWC will take a hit if they lose Air Force.

Any time a conference gets raided, it becomes weaker. That's because the raiding conference takes the "cream" programs, and the raided conference has to replace them with lesser programs.

The Big 12 is weaker than it was 2 years ago. The Big East is weaker than it was last year. C-USA is weaker than it was last year.

Whether the "gap" between C-USA and Big East is greater/lesser than it was a year ago is an open question. I suspect it is lesser, since the Big East didn't add its new teams until it was raided. But who knows for sure?

You're ******* kidding right? The Big East just took the "cream" of C-USA and C-USA replaced them with FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT and Charlotte. The gap between the conferences got wider, a lot wider.

The cream of CUSA is USM and ECU. Memphis was rated below most FCS teams last year and had home football games with about 100 people there. FIU beat UCF in football last season and probably will this season. SMU is a joke any way you put it. North Texas currently has a better overall athetic program than they do. They were added because Houston needed a travel partner. LaTech may be better than Houston. And both SMU and Houston are absolutely horrible at BB. SMU will draw flies.

(05-15-2012 12:00 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:34 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:13 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  They are still better than the sunbelt and MAC, but the gap is now huge between the Big East and c-USA. The MWC will take a hit if they lose Air Force.

Any time a conference gets raided, it becomes weaker. That's because the raiding conference takes the "cream" programs, and the raided conference has to replace them with lesser programs.

The Big 12 is weaker than it was 2 years ago. The Big East is weaker than it was last year. C-USA is weaker than it was last year.

Whether the "gap" between C-USA and Big East is greater/lesser than it was a year ago is an open question. I suspect it is lesser, since the Big East didn't add its new teams until it was raided. But who knows for sure?

You're ******* kidding right? The Big East just took the "cream" of C-USA and C-USA replaced them with FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT and Charlotte. The gap between the conferences got wider, a lot wider.

At first impression, I'd say the gap between WVU, Pitt, Syracuse and Houston, SMU, Temple, Memphis, UCF, Boise, SDSU is probably bigger than the gap between the latter group and FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT, and Charlotte. Either way, it is close.

lol, 100% fail. WVU was the only good football school that left...pitt and syracuse are awful. Boise is better than all 3. There is no addition CUSA made that is better than any of the teams that left. Half of the additions don't even play D1 football yet and one doesn't even have a football team.

Best not to feed the troll...because now he is throwing out schools in Div I-AA and another that hasn't even played a DOWN OF FOOTBALL in his ramblings and trying to compare them with those that have been selected to join the Big East.

(05-15-2012 12:01 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:34 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:13 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 10:54 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  It is to late for CUSA now. It cannot ever become a major player. Indeed CUSA is a conference in decline. It may exist but it has join the ranks of the Missouri Valley, the Southern and Ohio Valley conferences.

They are still better than the sunbelt and MAC, but the gap is now huge between the Big East and c-USA. The MWC will take a hit if they lose Air Force.

Any time a conference gets raided, it becomes weaker. That's because the raiding conference takes the "cream" programs, and the raided conference has to replace them with lesser programs.

The Big 12 is weaker than it was 2 years ago. The Big East is weaker than it was last year. C-USA is weaker than it was last year.

Whether the "gap" between C-USA and Big East is greater/lesser than it was a year ago is an open question. I suspect it is lesser, since the Big East didn't add its new teams until it was raided. But who knows for sure?

You're ******* kidding right? The Big East just took the "cream" of C-USA and C-USA replaced them with FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT and Charlotte. The gap between the conferences got wider, a lot wider.

The cream of CUSA is USM and ECU. Memphis was rated below most FCS teams last year and had home football games with about 100 people there. FIU beat UCF in football last season and probably will this season. SMU is a joke any way you put it. North Texas currently has a better overall athetic program than they do. They were added because Houston needed a travel partner. LaTech may be better than Houston. And both SMU and Houston are absolutely horrible at BB. SMU will draw flies.

The cream of CUSA doesn't include 2x champion and 3x division champ UCF? Interesting how you rate the teams...UCF has more conference titles while both USM and UCF were in the league together. I'd say in football and definitely for all sports, Tulsa is more of a cream than USM...luckily for CUSA you still have Tulsa. Also, Houston beat LA tech just last year. Im not sure how you even believe yourself. With your AD, fball coach, and bball coach gone and USM athletic department bankrupt, it won't be long before USM is just another rice/uab/fau.

(05-15-2012 11:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:34 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:13 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 10:54 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  It is to late for CUSA now. It cannot ever become a major player. Indeed CUSA is a conference in decline. It may exist but it has join the ranks of the Missouri Valley, the Southern and Ohio Valley conferences.

They are still better than the sunbelt and MAC, but the gap is now huge between the Big East and c-USA. The MWC will take a hit if they lose Air Force.

Any time a conference gets raided, it becomes weaker. That's because the raiding conference takes the "cream" programs, and the raided conference has to replace them with lesser programs.

The Big 12 is weaker than it was 2 years ago. The Big East is weaker than it was last year. C-USA is weaker than it was last year.

Whether the "gap" between C-USA and Big East is greater/lesser than it was a year ago is an open question. I suspect it is lesser, since the Big East didn't add its new teams until it was raided. But who knows for sure?

You're ******* kidding right? The Big East just took the "cream" of C-USA and C-USA replaced them with FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT and Charlotte. The gap between the conferences got wider, a lot wider.

At first impression, I'd say the gap between WVU, Pitt, Syracuse and Houston, SMU, Temple, Memphis, UCF, Boise, SDSU is probably bigger than the gap between the latter group and FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT, and Charlotte. Either way, it is close.

LOL. Good Lord. Really Quo? Charlotte has never even played a down of football. UTSA has played one year.

If interested in talking finances, when it comes to cream of the crop check this out:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/s...54955804/1

Guess who top 3 are? Hint, its not USM or ECU.

(05-15-2012 11:57 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:34 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:13 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  They are still better than the sunbelt and MAC, but the gap is now huge between the Big East and c-USA. The MWC will take a hit if they lose Air Force.

Any time a conference gets raided, it becomes weaker. That's because the raiding conference takes the "cream" programs, and the raided conference has to replace them with lesser programs.

The Big 12 is weaker than it was 2 years ago. The Big East is weaker than it was last year. C-USA is weaker than it was last year.

Whether the "gap" between C-USA and Big East is greater/lesser than it was a year ago is an open question. I suspect it is lesser, since the Big East didn't add its new teams until it was raided. But who knows for sure?

You're ******* kidding right? The Big East just took the "cream" of C-USA and C-USA replaced them with FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT and Charlotte. The gap between the conferences got wider, a lot wider.

At first impression, I'd say the gap between WVU, Pitt, Syracuse and Houston, SMU, Temple, Memphis, UCF, Boise, SDSU is probably bigger than the gap between the latter group and FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT, and Charlotte. Either way, it is close.

I can't believe you are even trying to "debate" it, well unless you consider the additions are no better than Division II schools which is what their replacements in C-USA are.

Huh? The new schools we added can be far better than DII schools (and they are) and still be as far from WVU/SYR/PITT as the new C-USA additions are from them.

(05-15-2012 12:00 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:34 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:13 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  They are still better than the sunbelt and MAC, but the gap is now huge between the Big East and c-USA. The MWC will take a hit if they lose Air Force.

Any time a conference gets raided, it becomes weaker. That's because the raiding conference takes the "cream" programs, and the raided conference has to replace them with lesser programs.

The Big 12 is weaker than it was 2 years ago. The Big East is weaker than it was last year. C-USA is weaker than it was last year.

Whether the "gap" between C-USA and Big East is greater/lesser than it was a year ago is an open question. I suspect it is lesser, since the Big East didn't add its new teams until it was raided. But who knows for sure?

You're ******* kidding right? The Big East just took the "cream" of C-USA and C-USA replaced them with FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT and Charlotte. The gap between the conferences got wider, a lot wider.

At first impression, I'd say the gap between WVU, Pitt, Syracuse and Houston, SMU, Temple, Memphis, UCF, Boise, SDSU is probably bigger than the gap between the latter group and FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT, and Charlotte. Either way, it is close.

lol, 100% fail. WVU was the only good football school that left...pitt and syracuse are awful. Boise is better than all 3.

Please don't make the rookie mistake of confusing how good a team is on the field with how valuable it is as a program.

WVU, Pitt, and Syracuse were the closest thing to "big time" athletic programs the Big East had. The ACC and Big 12 chopped off our head when they took those three. They are FAR more valuable as media commodities than the 8 teams we replaced them with.

That's how raids work ...

(05-15-2012 12:01 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:34 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:13 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 10:54 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  It is to late for CUSA now. It cannot ever become a major player. Indeed CUSA is a conference in decline. It may exist but it has join the ranks of the Missouri Valley, the Southern and Ohio Valley conferences.

They are still better than the sunbelt and MAC, but the gap is now huge between the Big East and c-USA. The MWC will take a hit if they lose Air Force.

Any time a conference gets raided, it becomes weaker. That's because the raiding conference takes the "cream" programs, and the raided conference has to replace them with lesser programs.

The Big 12 is weaker than it was 2 years ago. The Big East is weaker than it was last year. C-USA is weaker than it was last year.

Whether the "gap" between C-USA and Big East is greater/lesser than it was a year ago is an open question. I suspect it is lesser, since the Big East didn't add its new teams until it was raided. But who knows for sure?

You're ******* kidding right? The Big East just took the "cream" of C-USA and C-USA replaced them with FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT and Charlotte. The gap between the conferences got wider, a lot wider.

The cream of CUSA is USM and ECU. Memphis was rated below most FCS teams last year and had home football games with about 100 people there. FIU beat UCF in football last season and probably will this season. SMU is a joke any way you put it. North Texas currently has a better overall athetic program than they do. They were added because Houston needed a travel partner. LaTech may be better than Houston. And both SMU and Houston are absolutely horrible at BB. SMU will draw flies.

Good post. USM and ECU may not literally be the top 2 C-USA programs of the past few years, but they are certainly better than some of the C-USA teams we did invite.

We probably didn't even take the cream of C-USA football in our raid ... Good grief.

(05-15-2012 12:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 12:00 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:34 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Any time a conference gets raided, it becomes weaker. That's because the raiding conference takes the "cream" programs, and the raided conference has to replace them with lesser programs.

The Big 12 is weaker than it was 2 years ago. The Big East is weaker than it was last year. C-USA is weaker than it was last year.

Whether the "gap" between C-USA and Big East is greater/lesser than it was a year ago is an open question. I suspect it is lesser, since the Big East didn't add its new teams until it was raided. But who knows for sure?

You're ******* kidding right? The Big East just took the "cream" of C-USA and C-USA replaced them with FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT and Charlotte. The gap between the conferences got wider, a lot wider.

At first impression, I'd say the gap between WVU, Pitt, Syracuse and Houston, SMU, Temple, Memphis, UCF, Boise, SDSU is probably bigger than the gap between the latter group and FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT, and Charlotte. Either way, it is close.

lol, 100% fail. WVU was the only good football school that left...pitt and syracuse are awful. Boise is better than all 3.

Please don't make the rookie mistake of confusing how good a team is on the field with how valuable it is as a program.

WVU, Pitt, and Syracuse were the closest thing to "big time" athletic programs the Big East had. The ACC and Big 12 chopped off our head when they took those three. They are FAR more valuable as media commodities than the 8 teams we replaced them with. Especially since, as someone above noted, we didn't even get the cream of C-USA, which is ECU and USM.

That's how raids work ...

Perhaps in basketball, but in football WVU is the only valuable media commodity and as a media commodity I believe Boise is equal or greater than all three. With all due respect, nobody is interested in Pitt or Syracuse anymore than they are Houston or SMU, who both have similar prestigious histories.

(05-15-2012 12:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 12:01 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:34 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:13 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  They are still better than the sunbelt and MAC, but the gap is now huge between the Big East and c-USA. The MWC will take a hit if they lose Air Force.

Any time a conference gets raided, it becomes weaker. That's because the raiding conference takes the "cream" programs, and the raided conference has to replace them with lesser programs.

The Big 12 is weaker than it was 2 years ago. The Big East is weaker than it was last year. C-USA is weaker than it was last year.

Whether the "gap" between C-USA and Big East is greater/lesser than it was a year ago is an open question. I suspect it is lesser, since the Big East didn't add its new teams until it was raided. But who knows for sure?

You're ******* kidding right? The Big East just took the "cream" of C-USA and C-USA replaced them with FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT and Charlotte. The gap between the conferences got wider, a lot wider.

The cream of CUSA is USM and ECU. Memphis was rated below most FCS teams last year and had home football games with about 100 people there. FIU beat UCF in football last season and probably will this season. SMU is a joke any way you put it. North Texas currently has a better overall athetic program than they do. They were added because Houston needed a travel partner. LaTech may be better than Houston. And both SMU and Houston are absolutely horrible at BB. SMU will draw flies.

Good post. USM and ECU may not literally be the top 2 C-USA programs of the past few years, but they are certainly better than some of the C-USA teams we did invite.

We probably didn't even take the cream of C-USA in our raid ... Good grief.

If you are talking overall, as you did in your prior post, all one has to do is check the financials with breakdowns including contributions to see who the cream of CUSA is.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/s...titialskip
ECU and USM are not in the top 3.

(05-15-2012 12:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:57 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:34 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Any time a conference gets raided, it becomes weaker. That's because the raiding conference takes the "cream" programs, and the raided conference has to replace them with lesser programs.

The Big 12 is weaker than it was 2 years ago. The Big East is weaker than it was last year. C-USA is weaker than it was last year.

Whether the "gap" between C-USA and Big East is greater/lesser than it was a year ago is an open question. I suspect it is lesser, since the Big East didn't add its new teams until it was raided. But who knows for sure?

You're ******* kidding right? The Big East just took the "cream" of C-USA and C-USA replaced them with FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT and Charlotte. The gap between the conferences got wider, a lot wider.

At first impression, I'd say the gap between WVU, Pitt, Syracuse and Houston, SMU, Temple, Memphis, UCF, Boise, SDSU is probably bigger than the gap between the latter group and FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT, and Charlotte. Either way, it is close.

I can't believe you are even trying to "debate" it, well unless you consider the additions are no better than Division II schools which is what their replacements in C-USA are.

Huh? The new schools we added can be far better than DII schools (and they are) and still be as far from WVU/SYR/PITT as the new C-USA additions are from them.

LOL!!!!

Boise State has finished ranked in the Top 7 in the nation the last 3 seasons....Houston & UCF just finished Top 20 seasons over the last 2 years.

Highest finish for WVU over the last 4 years is 17th....

and for Pitt? One Top 25 finish over the past 7 years....

and for Syracuse?

Nothing in the polls over the last 9 or 10 years.

Yet somehow schools WITHOUT TEAMS are much closer to the likes of Boise STate, UCF, Houston, etc....???

You didn't troll for 24 hours or so and you did fine....now, you are so obvious you are chucking chum bait over the side its so obvious....

(05-15-2012 12:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 12:01 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:34 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:13 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  They are still better than the sunbelt and MAC, but the gap is now huge between the Big East and c-USA. The MWC will take a hit if they lose Air Force.

Any time a conference gets raided, it becomes weaker. That's because the raiding conference takes the "cream" programs, and the raided conference has to replace them with lesser programs.

The Big 12 is weaker than it was 2 years ago. The Big East is weaker than it was last year. C-USA is weaker than it was last year.

Whether the "gap" between C-USA and Big East is greater/lesser than it was a year ago is an open question. I suspect it is lesser, since the Big East didn't add its new teams until it was raided. But who knows for sure?

You're ******* kidding right? The Big East just took the "cream" of C-USA and C-USA replaced them with FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT and Charlotte. The gap between the conferences got wider, a lot wider.

The cream of CUSA is USM and ECU. Memphis was rated below most FCS teams last year and had home football games with about 100 people there. FIU beat UCF in football last season and probably will this season. SMU is a joke any way you put it. North Texas currently has a better overall athetic program than they do. They were added because Houston needed a travel partner. LaTech may be better than Houston. And both SMU and Houston are absolutely horrible at BB. SMU will draw flies.

Good post. USM and ECU may not literally be the top 2 C-USA programs of the past few years, but they are certainly better than some of the C-USA teams we did invite.

We probably didn't even take the cream of C-USA football in our raid ... Good grief.

(05-15-2012 12:18 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 12:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 12:00 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:34 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  You're ******* kidding right? The Big East just took the "cream" of C-USA and C-USA replaced them with FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT and Charlotte. The gap between the conferences got wider, a lot wider.

At first impression, I'd say the gap between WVU, Pitt, Syracuse and Houston, SMU, Temple, Memphis, UCF, Boise, SDSU is probably bigger than the gap between the latter group and FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT, and Charlotte. Either way, it is close.

lol, 100% fail. WVU was the only good football school that left...pitt and syracuse are awful. Boise is better than all 3.

Please don't make the rookie mistake of confusing how good a team is on the field with how valuable it is as a program.

WVU, Pitt, and Syracuse were the closest thing to "big time" athletic programs the Big East had. The ACC and Big 12 chopped off our head when they took those three. They are FAR more valuable as media commodities than the 8 teams we replaced them with. Especially since, as someone above noted, we didn't even get the cream of C-USA, which is ECU and USM.

That's how raids work ...

Perhaps in basketball, but in football WVU is the only valuable media commodity and as a media commodity I believe Boise is equal or greater than all three. With all due respect, nobody is interested in Pitt or Syracuse anymore than they are Houston or SMU, who both have similar prestigious histories.

Boise only has media value when they are playing a Big Name from an AQ conference. When they are playing Idaho and SDSU and Tulsa, nobody watches.

It is silly to compare Boise with venerable, established football and basketball names like Syracuse, WVU, and Pitt.

Guess why the ACC wanted those teams on their own volition, without being raided by anyone, whereas the Big East, a lesser-prestige league, didn't want Boise or Houston or SMU, etc. until AFTER we were raided?

(05-15-2012 12:20 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 12:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:57 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:34 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  You're ******* kidding right? The Big East just took the "cream" of C-USA and C-USA replaced them with FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT and Charlotte. The gap between the conferences got wider, a lot wider.

At first impression, I'd say the gap between WVU, Pitt, Syracuse and Houston, SMU, Temple, Memphis, UCF, Boise, SDSU is probably bigger than the gap between the latter group and FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT, and Charlotte. Either way, it is close.

I can't believe you are even trying to "debate" it, well unless you consider the additions are no better than Division II schools which is what their replacements in C-USA are.

Huh? The new schools we added can be far better than DII schools (and they are) and still be as far from WVU/SYR/PITT as the new C-USA additions are from them.

LOL!!!!

Boise State has finished ranked in the Top 7 in the nation the last 3 seasons....Houston & UCF just finished Top 20 seasons over the last 2 years.

Highest finish for WVU over the last 4 years is 17th....

and for Pitt? One Top 25 finish over the past 7 years...

I can't believe you aren't smart enough to know the difference between results on the field and media value?

Using your logic, Houston, UCF, and Boise are all more valuable than Notre Dame.

(05-15-2012 12:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 12:20 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 12:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:57 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  At first impression, I'd say the gap between WVU, Pitt, Syracuse and Houston, SMU, Temple, Memphis, UCF, Boise, SDSU is probably bigger than the gap between the latter group and FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT, and Charlotte. Either way, it is close.

I can't believe you are even trying to "debate" it, well unless you consider the additions are no better than Division II schools which is what their replacements in C-USA are.

Huh? The new schools we added can be far better than DII schools (and they are) and still be as far from WVU/SYR/PITT as the new C-USA additions are from them.

LOL!!!!

Boise State has finished ranked in the Top 7 in the nation the last 3 seasons....Houston & UCF just finished Top 20 seasons over the last 2 years.

Highest finish for WVU over the last 4 years is 17th....

and for Pitt? One Top 25 finish over the past 7 years...

I can't believe you aren't smart enough to know the difference between results on the field and media value?

And everyone can't believe you aren't smart enough to know the difference between programs that have ACTUALLY PLAYED GAMES (been ranked, been to bowl games) vs those that have NEVER EVER PLAYED A GAME!

(05-15-2012 12:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Good post. USM and ECU may not literally be the top 2 C-USA programs of the past few years, but they are certainly better than some of the C-USA teams we did invite.

We probably didn't even take the cream of C-USA football in our raid ... Good grief.

Quo really hates the Big East. You can see it in every post that he makes. What he doesn't get is that his attention is pure flattery in itself.
The content of his posts have lost any meaning they may have had, from a bystanders standpoint, because they simply pose the opposing binary position from pro-Big East. There is no actual thought involved. He betrays that position with his passion for the Big East.

Splendid.

(05-15-2012 12:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 12:20 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 12:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:57 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  At first impression, I'd say the gap between WVU, Pitt, Syracuse and Houston, SMU, Temple, Memphis, UCF, Boise, SDSU is probably bigger than the gap between the latter group and FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT, and Charlotte. Either way, it is close.

I can't believe you are even trying to "debate" it, well unless you consider the additions are no better than Division II schools which is what their replacements in C-USA are.

Huh? The new schools we added can be far better than DII schools (and they are) and still be as far from WVU/SYR/PITT as the new C-USA additions are from them.

LOL!!!!

Boise State has finished ranked in the Top 7 in the nation the last 3 seasons....Houston & UCF just finished Top 20 seasons over the last 2 years.

Highest finish for WVU over the last 4 years is 17th....

and for Pitt? One Top 25 finish over the past 7 years...

I can't believe you aren't smart enough to know the difference between results on the field and media value?

Using your logic, Houston, UCF, and Boise are all more valuable than Notre Dame.

Syracuse, Pitt and WVU have nothing to do with whether the gap between Big East and C-USA got wider, misdirection at best. The Big East took three of the top five (football) programs from C-USA and their best basketball program, plus added Boise St and SDSU whereas C-USA took those losses and added five Division II teams. Those are the on the field changes. Let's analyze your favorite bull**** premise of "brand", Memphis and Boise are national brands, UCF, SMU, Houston and SDSU are known commodities and they replaced those brands with...FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT and Charlotte. Exactly what gap was closed?

(05-15-2012 12:24 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 12:18 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 12:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 12:00 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  At first impression, I'd say the gap between WVU, Pitt, Syracuse and Houston, SMU, Temple, Memphis, UCF, Boise, SDSU is probably bigger than the gap between the latter group and FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT, and Charlotte. Either way, it is close.

lol, 100% fail. WVU was the only good football school that left...pitt and syracuse are awful. Boise is better than all 3.

Please don't make the rookie mistake of confusing how good a team is on the field with how valuable it is as a program.

WVU, Pitt, and Syracuse were the closest thing to "big time" athletic programs the Big East had. The ACC and Big 12 chopped off our head when they took those three. They are FAR more valuable as media commodities than the 8 teams we replaced them with. Especially since, as someone above noted, we didn't even get the cream of C-USA, which is ECU and USM.

That's how raids work ...

Perhaps in basketball, but in football WVU is the only valuable media commodity and as a media commodity I believe Boise is equal or greater than all three. With all due respect, nobody is interested in Pitt or Syracuse anymore than they are Houston or SMU, who both have similar prestigious histories.

Boise only has media value when they are playing a Big Name from an AQ conference. When they are playing Idaho and SDSU and Tulsa, nobody watches.

It is silly to compare Boise with venerable, established football and basketball names like Syracuse, WVU, and Pitt.

Guess why the ACC wanted those teams on their own volition, without being raided by anyone, whereas the Big East, a lesser-prestige league, didn't want Boise or Houston or SMU, etc. until AFTER we were raided?

Another fail. Boise has more media attention playing nobodies than Pitt and Syracuse do in football period. Put Boise in the big east, an AQ conference and they are lightyears ahead. Reason ACC wants Pitt and Syracuse over Boise as you so dumbly stated, is due to basketball, academics, geographic location, etc. etc. When discussing football as a commodity, please leave pitt and syracuse out of the conversation.

Cliffs: Quo fails again, which is status quo.

(05-15-2012 12:24 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 12:18 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 12:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 12:00 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  At first impression, I'd say the gap between WVU, Pitt, Syracuse and Houston, SMU, Temple, Memphis, UCF, Boise, SDSU is probably bigger than the gap between the latter group and FIU, LaTech, UTSA, UNT, and Charlotte. Either way, it is close.

Not true Quo. I can not speak for the other teams that were added in Dec. but it has been mentioned a number of times that Houston was being considered way before WV, Syr, and Pitt left. As early as the Dec. before when they were adding TCU as a travel partner for them. I know for a fact that our President was at the Big East BB tourney in March of 2011 meeting with all of the Big East Presidents to discuss our invitation. Straight from two high donor speaking engagements. But I am sure you will not believe it because I cannot provide a link for you which is fine. Unless she was lying to high value Alumni, this was in the works long before those 3 teams bolted...but as usual you go ahead and make up your own opinions/beliefs and truths.

Carry on.

lol, 100% fail. WVU was the only good football school that left...pitt and syracuse are awful. Boise is better than all 3.

Please don't make the rookie mistake of confusing how good a team is on the field with how valuable it is as a program.

WVU, Pitt, and Syracuse were the closest thing to "big time" athletic programs the Big East had. The ACC and Big 12 chopped off our head when they took those three. They are FAR more valuable as media commodities than the 8 teams we replaced them with. Especially since, as someone above noted, we didn't even get the cream of C-USA, which is ECU and USM.

That's how raids work ...

Perhaps in basketball, but in football WVU is the only valuable media commodity and as a media commodity I believe Boise is equal or greater than all three. With all due respect, nobody is interested in Pitt or Syracuse anymore than they are Houston or SMU, who both have similar prestigious histories.

Boise only has media value when they are playing a Big Name from an AQ conference. When they are playing Idaho and SDSU and Tulsa, nobody watches.

It is silly to compare Boise with venerable, established football and basketball names like Syracuse, WVU, and Pitt.

Guess why the ACC wanted those teams on their own volition, without being raided by anyone, whereas the Big East, a lesser-prestige league, didn't want Boise or Houston or SMU, etc. until AFTER we were raided?