(05-16-2012 10:24 AM)BadWillHunting Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 09:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 09:53 AM)piratefan1975 Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 09:35 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 09:19 AM)piratefan1975 Wrote:  I like my username just fine. If I were CUSAHomer, I surely could write a credible post; although I'm sure it would be with a CUSA bias.

What you fail to realize is the Piratefan1975 already calibrates readers to your bias. I have no problem advocating my position through my name.

I'm not sure I understand the phrase "calibrates readers to my bias." I guess a fan of ECU is not allowed to speak objectively and must be butthurt and bitter. Is that so?

Basically, if you do not spout the most unrealistic and outlandish positive ideas about the media appeal and football prospects of the new Big East members, Homer will call you a troll or something similar.

Oh, ok... so we need to be overly-positive?

"Big East Football will crush the SEC..."

"Big East Hoops will win all four brackets in the NCAA Tourney..."

LOL! They don't understand the fluidity of brand and perception.

My Alma mater, Houston, holds a 12-2-1 record against Florida State. Well, guess what, although they've been stagnant throughout much of the last decade, FSU built their brand through dominating a conference that wasn't really that deep throughout the 80s and 90s in the interim.

Thus, arguing that "brand" has become a static metric is extremely short-sighted and simply isn't rooted in the historical record.

The old axiom that success/failure is cyclical has been proven time and again with programs like FSU and Miami (who have both fallen from their perches). Houston defeated storied programs Penn State and UCLA last year.

If "brand" is such an established metric, it's unbelievable that we even have the gull to play the game. Fact is, most of the incoming programs are beating the "big boys" for recruits en route to beating them on the field. These trends have led to sold out stadiums in Boise and Houston. That's how brands are built, gents.

Utah and TCU did the same en route to their Pac 12 and Big 12 invites.

(05-16-2012 11:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 10:12 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  I didn't bother reading any further, but I do like how status quo changed the argument halfway through to suit his needs. At first the argument was "CUSA lessened the gap between them and big east" and now its "big east isn't as good as before." No duh, idiot.

If you think i have ever stopped arguing about how the gap between CUSA and the Big East has changed, you are extremely stupid.

Then I guess you are still wrong. The gap between CUSA and Big east is wider than ever, as evident by CUSA losing its top teams while replacing them with FCS teams, including one that doesn't even have a football team yet.

(05-16-2012 07:09 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  TCU has been on a roll, ever since they joined the MWC....however, don't even begin to compare TCU's "program" and fan base with the likes of Texas A&M.

There's a good reason why TCU just finished making their stadium even smaller (capacity now in the low 40's), while Texas A&M is looking at expanding theirs to 90,000 or more.

Utah & Colorado went to the Pac-12...and the Pac-12's TV deal SOARED too.

Please read what I am saying instead of reading between the lines when there are no lines in the first place. I never said TCU had the tradition and prestige of T A&M. I am only talking about what has happen on the field and in that regard, the Big 12 made out nicely with the additions of WVU and TCU.

Texas A&M has underachieved miserable these last few years and they will become a doormat in the SEC. Mizzou has been decent but they are about to become a doormat as well. Colorado has sucked in football for the last decade and this one. Nebraska is just coming back to being significant again.

If TCU and WVU continues to do what they have been doing, the only school that will be missed is Nebraska. Otherwise, the Big 12 has not taking a step backwards but more like two steps forward.

And about the PAC 12 TV deal, when you are the only major college football conference in that part of country, you can command the type of money the PAC 12 got for their TV deal. I still say they could have got that without Utah and Colorado but that's just me. Otherwise, the PAC 12 has two good teams and 10 scrubs right now.

(05-16-2012 10:24 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 10:12 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  I didn't bother reading any further, but I do like how status quo changed the argument halfway through to suit his needs. At first the argument was "CUSA lessened the gap between them and big east" and now its "big east isn't as good as before." No duh, idiot. Big east is clearly worse than it was before, but the gap between big east and CUSA is wider than ever. You can't add 5 FCS teams and expect the gap to be closer than before under any circumstances.

That's certainly is debatable....as Boise State is now a Top 10 program the last 3 years (including Top 5 ranking in both major polls, something NO ONE from the Big East has been able to do since Miami was a member 10 years ago)...something the Big East hasn't had in years (WVU was ranked in the Top 10 back in 2007).

Houston and UCF have been ranked in the Top 20 over the past 2 years...something Pitt has done only once over the past 9 years...and something Syracuse hasn't done in 10 years.

Yeah...but then you added us!

(05-16-2012 09:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Here are the facts: Pitt and Syracuse and WVU are clearly much more desirable media brands than the 8 new programs we have added. Proof of this is that all three of them were invited by HIGHER prestige conferences, and in the case of two of them, Pitt and Syracuse, by the free volition of the ACC, not under the gun of needing to add teams because of being raided.

So using the same logic, Utah and Colorado are more valuable than Pitt, Syracuse, and WV, because the more prestigious Pac12 invited those 2 teams instead of those other 3 teams. The Pac12 TV contract also went way up after those 2 schools were added.

Do you want to say that Utah is more valuable than WV, Pitt, Syracuse?

(05-16-2012 02:38 PM)NTXCoog Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 09:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Here are the facts: Pitt and Syracuse and WVU are clearly much more desirable media brands than the 8 new programs we have added. Proof of this is that all three of them were invited by HIGHER prestige conferences, and in the case of two of them, Pitt and Syracuse, by the free volition of the ACC, not under the gun of needing to add teams because of being raided.

So using the same logic, Utah and Colorado are more valuable than Pitt, Syracuse, and WV, because the more prestigious Pac12 invited those 2 teams instead of those other 3 teams. The Pac12 TV contract also went way up after those 2 schools were added.

Do you want to say that Utah is more valuable than WV, Pitt, Syracuse?

Only one conference is dumb enough to invite schools on the opposite side of the globe as the majority of its members. Have you ever seen a dog take a dump and the majority of the turd come out in one spot, then it walks across the yard and a small piece falls out and then walks some more and another piece falls out? That is the BE's geography. The PAC12 wasn't in desperation mode and forced to invite directional schools and the 190th ranked football program in the country. So to them, yes, Utah was more valuable, beacuse the PAC10 already had a strong brand and Utah is in the same hemisphere as the other members of the conference.

Anyone else noticing a trend among the C-USA posters?

Final Sagarin 2011

9 Boise State A = 88.53 12 1 68.29( 75)
15 Houston A = 85.26 13 1 65.46( 97)
22 West Virginia A = 81.78 10 3 70.12( 57)
30 Cincinnati A = 78.63 10 3 68.43( 73)
36 Rutgers A = 76.98 9 4 68.67( 69)
46 Temple A = 74.50 9 4 61.52( 119)
51 SMU A = 73.88 8 5 68.59( 70)
59 South Florida A = 71.02 5 7 69.86( 62)
61 Louisville A = 70.75 7 6 69.87( 60)
69 Pittsburgh A = 69.65 6 7 71.29( 48)
70 San Diego State A = 69.30 8 5 65.56( 95)
74 Navy A = 68.37 5 7 69.04( 67)
76 Connecticut A = 68.09 5 7 69.33( 64)
77 Central Florida(UCF) A = 67.61 5 7 64.61( 102)
86 Syracuse A = 65.97 5 7 70.39( 55)
182 Memphis A = 45.68 2 10 63.18( 112)

Potential Candidates
34 BYU A = 77.18 10 3 65.96( 90)
72 Air Force A = 68.58 7 6 64.28( 104)


Not a bad collection of teams - 5 in the top 50 and 10 in the top 75.

(05-16-2012 02:54 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 02:38 PM)NTXCoog Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 09:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Here are the facts: Pitt and Syracuse and WVU are clearly much more desirable media brands than the 8 new programs we have added. Proof of this is that all three of them were invited by HIGHER prestige conferences, and in the case of two of them, Pitt and Syracuse, by the free volition of the ACC, not under the gun of needing to add teams because of being raided.

So using the same logic, Utah and Colorado are more valuable than Pitt, Syracuse, and WV, because the more prestigious Pac12 invited those 2 teams instead of those other 3 teams. The Pac12 TV contract also went way up after those 2 schools were added.

Do you want to say that Utah is more valuable than WV, Pitt, Syracuse?

Only one conference is dumb enough to invite schools on the opposite side of the globe...

You make a good point...back in 2003, when CUSA invited UTEP, located in El Paso, TX....which is over 1,900 miles away from a current member at the time, ECU.

CUSA has been spread out since almost Day One..as the Big East invited former CUSA schools like Marquette (Wisconsin), DePaul (Illinois) and USF (Florida) to join their conf.

In 2012...its all about TV rights...which has erased "old" regional boundaries...as now the Pac-12 reaches past the Rocky Mountains....SEC is now in Missouri and Texas....and the Big 12 is now in West Virginia.

Follow the $$$$$.

(05-16-2012 03:12 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  Anyone else noticing a trend among the C-USA posters?

blinded by envy?

(05-16-2012 03:48 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 02:54 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 02:38 PM)NTXCoog Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 09:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Here are the facts: Pitt and Syracuse and WVU are clearly much more desirable media brands than the 8 new programs we have added. Proof of this is that all three of them were invited by HIGHER prestige conferences, and in the case of two of them, Pitt and Syracuse, by the free volition of the ACC, not under the gun of needing to add teams because of being raided.

So using the same logic, Utah and Colorado are more valuable than Pitt, Syracuse, and WV, because the more prestigious Pac12 invited those 2 teams instead of those other 3 teams. The Pac12 TV contract also went way up after those 2 schools were added.

Do you want to say that Utah is more valuable than WV, Pitt, Syracuse?

Only one conference is dumb enough to invite schools on the opposite side of the globe...

You make a good point...back in 2003, when CUSA invited UTEP, located in El Paso, TX....which is over 1,900 miles away from a current member at the time, ECU.

CUSA has been spread out since almost Day One..as the Big East invited former CUSA schools like Marquette (Wisconsin), DePaul (Illinois) and USF (Florida) to join their conf.

In 2012...its all about TV rights...which has erased "old" regional boundaries...as now the Pac-12 reaches past the Rocky Mountains....SEC is now in Missouri and Texas....and the Big 12 is now in West Virginia.

Follow the $$$$$.

UTEP is far from most schools in CUSA, but also has very large alumni bases in Houston , Dallas, and San Antonio. UTEP's games will be between 500-880 miles from El Paso when they play in division and three of the opponents are in the same state. SDSU is 1000 miles from Boise, 1350 from Dallas, 1470 from Houston, 1800 from Memphis, 2440 from Orlando, 2780 from Navy with zero teams from the same state and no alumni near any of the other schools.

(05-16-2012 02:38 PM)NTXCoog Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 09:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Here are the facts: Pitt and Syracuse and WVU are clearly much more desirable media brands than the 8 new programs we have added. Proof of this is that all three of them were invited by HIGHER prestige conferences, and in the case of two of them, Pitt and Syracuse, by the free volition of the ACC, not under the gun of needing to add teams because of being raided.

So using the same logic, Utah and Colorado are more valuable than Pitt, Syracuse, and WV, because the more prestigious Pac12 invited those 2 teams instead of those other 3 teams. The Pac12 TV contract also went way up after those 2 schools were added.

Do you want to say that Utah is more valuable than WV, Pitt, Syracuse?

The PAC, like the B1G and SEC, still put a premium on geographic proximity. That factor was not at play with the Big East.

But heck, the Big 12 went way out of its footprint to invite WVU, over locals like Houston and SMU.

There is no comparison, we are much weaker now than before the raids.

(05-16-2012 12:29 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 11:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 10:12 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  I didn't bother reading any further, but I do like how status quo changed the argument halfway through to suit his needs. At first the argument was "CUSA lessened the gap between them and big east" and now its "big east isn't as good as before." No duh, idiot.

If you think i have ever stopped arguing about how the gap between CUSA and the Big East has changed, you are extremely stupid.

Then I guess you are still wrong. The gap between CUSA and Big east is wider than ever, as evident by CUSA losing its top teams while replacing them with FCS teams, including one that doesn't even have a football team yet.

It is close, but the preponderance of the evidence suggests the gap is slightly narrower now than a year ago.

(05-16-2012 05:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 12:29 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 11:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 10:12 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  I didn't bother reading any further, but I do like how status quo changed the argument halfway through to suit his needs. At first the argument was "CUSA lessened the gap between them and big east" and now its "big east isn't as good as before." No duh, idiot.

If you think i have ever stopped arguing about how the gap between CUSA and the Big East has changed, you are extremely stupid.

Then I guess you are still wrong. The gap between CUSA and Big east is wider than ever, as evident by CUSA losing its top teams while replacing them with FCS teams, including one that doesn't even have a football team yet.

It is close, but the preponderance of the evidence suggests the gap is slightly narrower now than a year ago.

Other than a spread sheet based upon your personal estimates of team/conference values---I've seen zero evidence. Lets just wait until the TV contract comes out. That will tell the tale.

(05-16-2012 04:11 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 03:48 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 02:54 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 02:38 PM)NTXCoog Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 09:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Here are the facts: Pitt and Syracuse and WVU are clearly much more desirable media brands than the 8 new programs we have added. Proof of this is that all three of them were invited by HIGHER prestige conferences, and in the case of two of them, Pitt and Syracuse, by the free volition of the ACC, not under the gun of needing to add teams because of being raided.

So using the same logic, Utah and Colorado are more valuable than Pitt, Syracuse, and WV, because the more prestigious Pac12 invited those 2 teams instead of those other 3 teams. The Pac12 TV contract also went way up after those 2 schools were added.

Do you want to say that Utah is more valuable than WV, Pitt, Syracuse?

Only one conference is dumb enough to invite schools on the opposite side of the globe...

You make a good point...back in 2003, when CUSA invited UTEP, located in El Paso, TX....which is over 1,900 miles away from a current member at the time, ECU.

CUSA has been spread out since almost Day One..as the Big East invited former CUSA schools like Marquette (Wisconsin), DePaul (Illinois) and USF (Florida) to join their conf.

In 2012...its all about TV rights...which has erased "old" regional boundaries...as now the Pac-12 reaches past the Rocky Mountains....SEC is now in Missouri and Texas....and the Big 12 is now in West Virginia.

Follow the $$$$$.

UTEP is far from most schools in CUSA, but also has very large alumni bases in Houston , Dallas, and San Antonio. UTEP's games will be between 500-880 miles from El Paso when they play in division and three of the opponents are in the same state. SDSU is 1000 miles from Boise, 1350 from Dallas, 1470 from Houston, 1800 from Memphis, 2440 from Orlando, 2780 from Navy with zero teams from the same state and no alumni near any of the other schools.

Because every FOOTBALL game is an away game right? I guess the real reason you feel free to run your mouth is because the merger isn't happening, so it's okay to bash the conference that will get done what your conference tried to do right?