(05-15-2012 06:50 AM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 06:43 AM)bignow Wrote:  No doubt new BE members will increase their revenues 5+ times over. That is reason enough to leave. Also, look at the number of CUSA East and West football division winners leaving from CUSA part2. It is a lot higher than most realize

"No doubt"? Here lately, there has been nothing but doubt.

NO DOUBT!

(05-15-2012 06:43 AM)bignow Wrote:  No doubt new BE members will increase their revenues 5+ times over. That is reason enough to leave. Also, look at the number of CUSA East and West football division winners leaving from CUSA part2. It is a lot higher than most realize

Please. There's not a national brand in the core of the BE except for perhaps Louisville. The last 2 national brands are leaving -Pitt and Syracuse.
And you go out West - exactly how much will Boise and SDSU help a TV deal? Ever see the MWC contract - no better than C-USA's. But suddenly if they call themselves "Big EAst" their value multiplies? And yet, they are critical to the BE's TV deal plans (so you better hope they go BE).
It will be a nice contract. A raise from C-USA/MWC. The Basketball piece will be a lot better - in basketball dollar terms and divided 20 ways, however.

(05-15-2012 08:51 AM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 06:43 AM)bignow Wrote:  No doubt new BE members will increase their revenues 5+ times over. That is reason enough to leave. Also, look at the number of CUSA East and West football division winners leaving from CUSA part2. It is a lot higher than most realize

Please. There's not a national brand in the core of the BE except for perhaps Louisville. The last 2 national brands are leaving -Pitt and Syracuse.
And you go out West - exactly how much will Boise and SDSU help a TV deal? Ever see the MWC contract - no better than C-USA's. But suddenly if they call themselves "Big EAst" their value multiplies? And yet, they are critical to the BE's TV deal plans (so you better hope they go BE).
It will be a nice contract. A raise from C-USA/MWC. The Basketball piece will be a lot better - in basketball dollar terms and divided 20 ways, however.

I will simplify this for you. Top television markets (just football):
1. NYC/N NJ
4. Philly
5. DFW
10. Houston
13. Tampa
19. Orlando
28. San Diego
34. Cinci

Low end projection for the new BE contract $8-10 million per team. Estimated revenue from television executives 12-14 million per team. Dr. Hitt did his homework and it helps having Dick Nunis as a part of your advisory council. FYI, CUSA revenue is $1.17 M per team
It is a huge upgrade in basketball for UCF and it also guarantees a Thanksgiving game sell-out every year vs USF

(05-15-2012 10:00 AM)bignow Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 08:51 AM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 06:43 AM)bignow Wrote:  No doubt new BE members will increase their revenues 5+ times over. That is reason enough to leave. Also, look at the number of CUSA East and West football division winners leaving from CUSA part2. It is a lot higher than most realize

Please. There's not a national brand in the core of the BE except for perhaps Louisville. The last 2 national brands are leaving -Pitt and Syracuse.
And you go out West - exactly how much will Boise and SDSU help a TV deal? Ever see the MWC contract - no better than C-USA's. But suddenly if they call themselves "Big EAst" their value multiplies? And yet, they are critical to the BE's TV deal plans (so you better hope they go BE).
It will be a nice contract. A raise from C-USA/MWC. The Basketball piece will be a lot better - in basketball dollar terms and divided 20 ways, however.

I will simplify this for you. Top television markets (just football):
1. NYC/N NJ
4. Philly
5. DFW
10. Houston
13. Tampa
19. Orlando
28. San Diego
34. Cinci

Low end projection for the new BE contract $8-10 million per team. Estimated revenue from television executives 12-14 million per team. Dr. Hitt did his homework and it helps having Dick Nunis as a part of your advisory council. FYI, CUSA revenue is $1.17 M per team
It is a huge upgrade in basketball for UCF and it also guarantees a Thanksgiving game sell-out every year vs USF

I'm gonna quote this **** so I can laugh later. You facking big east ******* are so facking lame.

When you have a board room full of presidents, who are breifed by consultants that have spent time and money to evaluate a long list of candiates from every non-AQ concferences, and they can pretty much cherry pick whoever they want (with the expcetion of maybe Airforce and BYU), then who they select is, by nature the best of whats available.

So laugh all you want BUT, the old MWC and the old CUSA were the "BEST" of the ol non-AQ conferences, and th BIG EAST TOOK the "BEST" teams from that lot.

So they DID take the "best of the best" given the conditions I set.

So chew on that...

(05-14-2012 04:19 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  On the Tim Brando show today Tim had Tony Barnhart on and asked him if he thinks C-USA and the MWC will have just as much power as the new Big East. Tony said yes becuase when you look at the teams left in C-USA and the MWC he doesn't see anyway the two leagues won't have just as much power and say as the Big East when you look at who will be playing football in that league. Tim Brando agreed and said he thinks Boise State and SDSU will never play a down in the Big East when all is said and done.

I'm sorry, but that sounds laughable to me.
For one, look at the BASKETBALL side of the equation. The nBE still can get 7 or 8 teams into the NCAA tourney every year.
The MWC and CUSA will never again field more than ONE TEAM EACH.
For a league that would still have that kind of basketball clout...the new tv contract for the nBE will be CONSIDERABLY more than CUSA or the MWC (even if those two leagues combined)
I feel for USM and ECU...I really do. I have all the respect in the world for those two schools.
You have to ask yourself, who would want to watch LaTech vs Charlotte or Tulane in basketball.....or PAY for that privilege even.

(05-14-2012 05:26 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 05:24 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 05:11 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 05:04 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  The nBE is essentially the best of the best from the old CUSA and MWC. The MWC and CUSA just backfilled with a bunch of start-up programs, further increasing the disparity. Yet the three are somehow on the same level!?!?

LMAO... This thread needs a reality check.

The best of the best from the old CUSA?

SMU....I mean really. Has never won the conference in anything. Terrible in basketball. Decent at best in football. Don't even field a baseball team.

UCF....one of the better football programs despite a bad year last year. Annual underachievers in basketball. Can't beat us in anything. Baseball was not good until this year.

Houston....one of the better football programs, but hasn't won conference since 2006. Bad at basketball. Bad at baseball.

Don't forget Memphis.

Too easy.

I lived in Gulfport for three years LOVED it down there.
That being said....to respond to your post ....
1-18.

(05-18-2012 11:43 AM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  When you have a board room full of presidents, who are breifed by consultants that have spent time and money to evaluate a long list of candiates from every non-AQ concferences, and they can pretty much cherry pick whoever they want (with the expcetion of maybe Airforce and BYU), then who they select is, by nature the best of whats available.

So laugh all you want BUT, the old MWC and the old CUSA were the "BEST" of the ol non-AQ conferences, and th BIG EAST TOOK the "BEST" teams from that lot.

So they DID take the "best of the best" given the conditions I set.

So chew on that...

I'm gonna quote this too!!!

(05-18-2012 11:43 AM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  When you have a board room full of presidents, who are breifed by consultants that have spent time and money to evaluate a long list of candiates from every non-AQ concferences, and they can pretty much cherry pick whoever they want (with the expcetion of maybe Airforce and BYU), then who they select is, by nature the best of whats available.

So laugh all you want BUT, the old MWC and the old CUSA were the "BEST" of the ol non-AQ conferences, and th BIG EAST TOOK the "BEST" teams from that lot.

So they DID take the "best of the best" given the conditions I set.

So chew on that...

The BE did not take the best (otherwise, Southern Miss, ECU, and AFA would be BE bound). They took some components. But not to worry, a couple more, and all 3 will be equal.

What do you get with 3 CUSA, 2 MWC, and 1 MAC teams? The BE Western Division... But don't tell them that.

(05-19-2012 01:00 AM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  

(05-18-2012 11:43 AM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  When you have a board room full of presidents, who are breifed by consultants that have spent time and money to evaluate a long list of candiates from every non-AQ concferences, and they can pretty much cherry pick whoever they want (with the expcetion of maybe Airforce and BYU), then who they select is, by nature the best of whats available.

So laugh all you want BUT, the old MWC and the old CUSA were the "BEST" of the ol non-AQ conferences, and th BIG EAST TOOK the "BEST" teams from that lot.

So they DID take the "best of the best" given the conditions I set.

So chew on that...

The BE did not take the best (otherwise, Southern Miss, ECU, and AFA would be BE bound). They took some components. But not to worry, a couple more, and all 3 will be equal.

What do you get with 3 CUSA, 2 MWC, and 1 MAC teams? The BE Western Division... But don't tell them that.

You have a point on Air Force (although they may still come), however USM is not even in the discussion. There are probrably a few FCS programs that would be taken over them. I would like to see ECU brought in but they obviously don't bring enough $$$. There still a good chance they could make it in down the road.

The only reason USM will not be taken is due to market/TV $$$. It is not because of our on the field performance.

IF On-the-field-performance was a factor, we would have been in when the BE expanded in 2003.

(05-19-2012 10:21 AM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  I would like to see ECU brought in but they obviously don't bring enough $$$.

You don't know what you're talking about. Our football ratings are #2 in both the Raleigh and Charlotte markets, not far behind UNC. North Carolina is the tenth-biggest state in America, and we're doing quite well here.

(05-19-2012 01:48 PM)Yes I Am A Pirate Wrote:  

(05-19-2012 10:21 AM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  I would like to see ECU brought in but they obviously don't bring enough $$$.

You don't know what you're talking about. Our football ratings are #2 in both the Raleigh and Charlotte markets, not far behind UNC. North Carolina is the tenth-biggest state in America, and we're doing quite well here.

Hey I personally don't know, but the people who make the decisions have made it VERY clear that ECU does not bring enough $$$ to the table (for the conference).

That is the ONLY reason I can see (from the outside looking in) as to why they were not invited. Otherwise they field good team, have an awesome fanbase and a decent level of tradition. As a fan ECU is no brainer. But to the buisness folk, ECU obviously doesn't cut it. I don't know what to else to say.

As far as USM, take ECU put them in a WORSE market, with a smaller fanbase, a tiny budget and little to show on the field over the last ten years and its pretty clear why their not even in the conversation.

(05-14-2012 05:11 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 05:04 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  The nBE is essentially the best of the best from the old CUSA and MWC. The MWC and CUSA just backfilled with a bunch of start-up programs, further increasing the disparity. Yet the three are somehow on the same level!?!?

LMAO... This thread needs a reality check.

The best of the best from the old CUSA?

SMU....I mean really. Has never won the conference in anything. Terrible in basketball. Decent at best in football. Don't even field a baseball team.

UCF....one of the better football programs despite a bad year last year. Annual underachievers in basketball. Can't beat us in anything. Baseball was not good until this year.

Houston....one of the better football programs, but hasn't won conference since 2006. Bad at basketball. Bad at baseball.

Currently routing Southern Miss in CUSA baseball tourney 14-3. Play Rice tomorrow.

(05-23-2012 02:12 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 05:11 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 05:04 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  The nBE is essentially the best of the best from the old CUSA and MWC. The MWC and CUSA just backfilled with a bunch of start-up programs, further increasing the disparity. Yet the three are somehow on the same level!?!?

LMAO... This thread needs a reality check.

The best of the best from the old CUSA?

SMU....I mean really. Has never won the conference in anything. Terrible in basketball. Decent at best in football. Don't even field a baseball team.

UCF....one of the better football programs despite a bad year last year. Annual underachievers in basketball. Can't beat us in anything. Baseball was not good until this year.

Houston....one of the better football programs, but hasn't won conference since 2006. Bad at basketball. Bad at baseball.

Currently routing Southern Miss in CUSA baseball tourney 14-3. Play Rice tomorrow.

Ummm....yes....that says HOUSTON is bad at baseball. You read good, bro.

(05-23-2012 05:30 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-23-2012 02:12 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 05:11 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 05:04 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  The nBE is essentially the best of the best from the old CUSA and MWC. The MWC and CUSA just backfilled with a bunch of start-up programs, further increasing the disparity. Yet the three are somehow on the same level!?!?

LMAO... This thread needs a reality check.

The best of the best from the old CUSA?

SMU....I mean really. Has never won the conference in anything. Terrible in basketball. Decent at best in football. Don't even field a baseball team.

UCF....one of the better football programs despite a bad year last year. Annual underachievers in basketball. Can't beat us in anything. Baseball was not good until this year.

Houston....one of the better football programs, but hasn't won conference since 2006. Bad at basketball. Bad at baseball.

Currently routing Southern Miss in CUSA baseball tourney 14-3. Play Rice tomorrow.

Ummm....yes....that says HOUSTON is bad at baseball. You read good, bro.

Memphis isn't all that good either. Who do you think of when you say top CUSA baseball teams?