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The worse case scenario is the dismanting of the ACC with Pitt, SU, BC, and Wake as the leftovers. How long until someone blames Steve Peterson for it since Pitt could have been in the Big 12?

I agree man. It would be unfair treatment towards Peterson, but this would likely cost him and Nordy their jobs.

I'm not trying to be ubber pessimistic between the ACC and CR boards, but its hard for me not to be.

Either way, we gotta do what's best for Pitt. I don't care if the SEC calls, make the move. I don't care if the Big XII calls, make the move. It is what it is in this unfortunate dog eat dog world.

FSU and Clemson's gotta make the first move......

I agree though. I don't see how any of the privates (SU, BC, and Wake, and even almost private Pitt) can survive back in a nnnBE (BE 3.0).

If it comes to that I'm glad they created a WPIAL forum for me, cuzz that would be the only place I'd post here. Rather sad times when thinking about it.

Would be interesting to know what the Big 12 told Nordy or the Pitt reps when they were talking. I'm sure they told Pitt what plans the Big 12 had in terms of growing the conference. Was it anything more than Louisvill and WVu or was it Pitt and TCU and then wait (essentially what they are doing with WVu and TCU)?

BTW, Nordy and the BOTs still made the right call but just interesting.....

I agree. At the time it appeared that the Big XII was dying. We didn't even know if Texoma was heading to the Pac 12 of not. Would almost be stupid to jump into that situation. Plus we have far more Alumni on the east coast than in Texas. More natural rivals and so on. In every category the ACC > Big XII. Its an high stakes poker game.

Dunno guys, but I think Nordy and Peterson needs to work on a contingency plan fast.

I don't think we have the luxury in this situation. We head to the ACC regardless, IMO.

I also wonder what the FSU BOT member was thinking. What he said is really not going to be perceived well outside of Talahassee and maybe not even within those confines. He sounds uneducated on some main issues and seems to be attempting to incite the fans or boosters. That's just not a good thing IMO.

I still dont believe those FSU/Clemsn Rumors are true. I believe that the FSU BOT members are dis-satisfied with the Espn deal. I also believe this has just come up since the BOT leaders' lament, today and is seperate from the rumors spread by the WV fans. Plus, no mention of Clemson in his lament. But this does confirm some discontent within the FSU org.

I'm a little cooled down on it today. I'm still upset about this, though.

The Big East was second rate in football. I was really hoping the ACC would be a step up for us. I can kind of understand the disappointment in the TV deal and the lackluster support for football that schools like FSU and Clemson feel, however, they need to look in the mirror. A big part of why the ACC has a bad reputation is the kings not winning and not winning BCS games. They're a part of the problem. You can't blame Swofford all day every day.

Well, according to the Baylor247 site (via the WVu scout board), Pitt has inquired about Big 12 membershi - not that I believe though. This whole thing is turning into a soap opera.....lol........

ESPN needs to act if it takes its ACC investment seriously. I realize that they benefit from teams regardless of conference, but to them, the ACC is a product and one that they have invested in, and for that product to be viable in needs to, well be viable.

Even taking the BOT Chair Andy Haggard's comments into account, I'm still not buying that FSU, Clemson or any ACC school is leaving the conference. I think this is more of a loud opinion than anything else. Haggard claims to be speaking for the entire BOT, but I don't think that is true. I really believe that this guy is mouthing off because he does not care for the ACC. Truth be known, he probably wants FSU to be SEC bound more than anything. I think his Big12 comments are not so much a desire to be a part of the Big12 but more of a slap to the ACC. In the end, FSU and Clemson stays put, because both will realize that their athletic woes and financial difficulties are of their own doing. I think the academics of the ACC plus the locations (southeast, northeast and mid-atlantic) are too good to pass up for the long term.

I'll be honest, I'm resigned to the fact that FSU is leaving and would be surprised if they stayed. Although Haggard was wrong in parts of his statement (which he later backtracked), the damage was done and it was simply a ploy to put things out in the open and rally support for the move. FSU may even make some demands, but in the end they're gone, IMO. Even if they don't move this year, they will see how much money the SEC and Big 10 are going to get which will be the final nail in the coffin.

(05-14-2012 10:32 AM)joep2 Wrote:  ESPN needs to act if it takes its ACC investment seriously. I realize that they benefit from teams regardless of conference, but to them, the ACC is a product and one that they have invested in, and for that product to be viable in needs to, well be viable.

It appears that Texoma oil > Tobacco

I'm not sold that they're out the door yet. ESPN can't be happy about this because of FOX being involved with the Big XII's second-tier programming. I'm not sure what they can do about it, however, without looking seriously biased.

(05-15-2012 11:05 AM)ndlutz Wrote:  I'm not sold that they're out the door yet. ESPN can't be happy about this because of FOX being involved with the Big XII's second-tier programming. I'm not sure what they can do about it, however, without looking seriously biased.

If ESPiN cared about its programming they'd step and help. I'd hope they bump the deal up to 19M, and gave up 3rd Tier Rights. Raycom could go under for all I care. I want an ACC Network, or the ability for Pitt to have a 24/7 Network.

I don't see why ESPN will be generous here. They have the ACC by the short and curlies and both parties know it. It is what it is.

This whole thing is taking on a life of its own. It blew up when the BOT chairman came out with those comments. Unfortunately, I don't think they'll be able to put the genie back in the bottle.