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(05-25-2012 05:08 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  
(05-25-2012 03:27 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  They were the worst program in all of college football in the 1970's. They weren't "wildly" successful until the mid 80's and into the 90's.
Marshall had as good a reason as anyone to give up on their football program and they didn't. They struggled, took a ton of ass whippings, but got it back and are reaping the rewards today.

Or they could have given up their football program and been in the A-Sun with us. Wow, what a difference in leadership makes.

Yes, Marshall was bad, perhaps the worst program in the nation. And, you know, the terrible plane crash that happened on top of that. They had every reason in the world to quit. Their legit reasons for quitting makes the ETSU reason for actually quitting look so cowardly and lame that it can never be lived down by the university. This is the shameful legacy of ETSU athletics, a legacy that it shares with no other state university in the nation. We stand ALONE.
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(05-25-2012 07:21 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(05-25-2012 05:08 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  
(05-25-2012 03:27 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  They were the worst program in all of college football in the 1970's. They weren't "wildly" successful until the mid 80's and into the 90's.
Marshall had as good a reason as anyone to give up on their football program and they didn't. They struggled, took a ton of ass whippings, but got it back and are reaping the rewards today.

Or they could have given up their football program and been in the A-Sun with us. Wow, what a difference in leadership makes.

Yes, Marshall was bad, perhaps the worst program in the nation. And, you know, the terrible plane crash that happened on top of that. They had every reason in the world to quit. Their legit reasons for quitting makes the ETSU reason for actually quitting look so cowardly and lame that it can never be lived down by the university. This is the shameful legacy of ETSU athletics, a legacy that it shares with no other state university in the nation. We stand ALONE.

I've mentioned this before, but we were at a pivotal point with Stansbury. He wanted to use ECU and Southern Miss as the models for what ETSU should be. That must have scared the hell out of Stanton, because he replaced Stansbury with Mullins and that kind of talk was never heard again.
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(05-25-2012 09:59 PM)abuc90 Wrote:  
(05-25-2012 07:21 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(05-25-2012 05:08 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  
(05-25-2012 03:27 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  They were the worst program in all of college football in the 1970's. They weren't "wildly" successful until the mid 80's and into the 90's.
Marshall had as good a reason as anyone to give up on their football program and they didn't. They struggled, took a ton of ass whippings, but got it back and are reaping the rewards today.

Or they could have given up their football program and been in the A-Sun with us. Wow, what a difference in leadership makes.

Yes, Marshall was bad, perhaps the worst program in the nation. And, you know, the terrible plane crash that happened on top of that. They had every reason in the world to quit. Their legit reasons for quitting makes the ETSU reason for actually quitting look so cowardly and lame that it can never be lived down by the university. This is the shameful legacy of ETSU athletics, a legacy that it shares with no other state university in the nation. We stand ALONE.

I've mentioned this before, but we were at a pivotal point with Stansbury. He wanted to use ECU and Southern Miss as the models for what ETSU should be. That must have scared the hell out of Stanton, because he replaced Stansbury with Mullins and that kind of talk was never heard again.

And look what we got with the tennis coach running athletics.
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Marshall won a total of 22 games from 1970 to 1979. Worst in the nation. The most crutial win came on Sept 25 1971 against Xavier University. That was the 1st win after restarting the pragram after the Nov 14th 1970 plane crash. They won 2 games that year, Xavier and Bowling Green. If Marshall goes 0-10 instead of 2-8 the program would have most likely discontinued.

Marshall wouldn't have its first winning season until 1984 when we beat ETSU 31-28. They won the game on the last play of the game. Marshall would go on to have 22 straight winning seasons. Including the winningest program in the 90s. Marshall won 114 games in the 90s, Florida 112.

The one thing that I always thought hindered ETSU was the minidome. Ive been there for both football and basketball and the dome seemed like it just sucked the life out of you for college atmosphere. Who's ever idea it was to build that thing should have been fired imed.

If ETSU would have built the dome just for basketball/volleyball, say 6-7K. And a 12-14K outdoor football stadium, expandable to say 25K I think things would have been much different for ETSU today.
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(05-25-2012 10:17 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  
(05-25-2012 09:59 PM)abuc90 Wrote:  
(05-25-2012 07:21 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(05-25-2012 05:08 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  
(05-25-2012 03:27 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  They were the worst program in all of college football in the 1970's. They weren't "wildly" successful until the mid 80's and into the 90's.
Marshall had as good a reason as anyone to give up on their football program and they didn't. They struggled, took a ton of ass whippings, but got it back and are reaping the rewards today.

Or they could have given up their football program and been in the A-Sun with us. Wow, what a difference in leadership makes.

Yes, Marshall was bad, perhaps the worst program in the nation. And, you know, the terrible plane crash that happened on top of that. They had every reason in the world to quit. Their legit reasons for quitting makes the ETSU reason for actually quitting look so cowardly and lame that it can never be lived down by the university. This is the shameful legacy of ETSU athletics, a legacy that it shares with no other state university in the nation. We stand ALONE.

I've mentioned this before, but we were at a pivotal point with Stansbury. He wanted to use ECU and Southern Miss as the models for what ETSU should be. That must have scared the hell out of Stanton, because he replaced Stansbury with Mullins and that kind of talk was never heard again.

And look what we got with the tennis coach running athletics.

..... making us so irrelevant in athletics that the $11 million a year must be one of the worst cost effective athletic models in all of college sports. How long can Noland let this continue???? He must have patience and tolerance of steel.
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(05-26-2012 10:32 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  How long can Noland let this continue???? He must have patience and tolerance of steel.

Or he has other priorities. Or has been talking to Paul Stanton, as he said he would, for guidance and listening to his predecessor say that Mullins is the greatest AD we've ever had.

For the life of me, I can't understand why so many people were banking on the hope that the college president would wave a magic wand.
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(05-26-2012 06:47 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  
(05-26-2012 10:32 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  How long can Noland let this continue???? He must have patience and tolerance of steel.

Or he has other priorities. Or has been talking to Paul Stanton, as he said he would, for guidance and listening to his predecessor say that Mullins is the greatest AD we've ever had.

For the life of me, I can't understand why so many people were banking on the hope that the college president would wave a magic wand.

Magic you say. Waving magic wands. No, its called taking the bull by the horns and getting on with your agenda, your vision, your plan. Why do you think this athletic department is so insulated from the president of the university? Do athletic administrators and coaches attain tenure? Is Mullins considered a tenured professor of athletics? Is he a union member? Or, does he have some kind of an iron clad contract? If Noland is relying on the previous administration for his
guidance and direction, then he is coming out of the starting gate rather lame. Of course we know what they're going to feed him. Stanton will attempt to polish his legacy while Mullins and gang will attempt to keep their paychecks coming. Of all the areas of a mid major university where a president can establish his authority, it's athletics. Let's just hope that he's behind the scenes doing this at this moment with all the college conference reshuffling going on around him because his inherited athletic department is not up to the task.
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But Noland has never stated that restoring football or doing anything but the status quo in athletics IS his plan. He's offered excuses for unbuilt baseball parks, turned the other way when his own AD tried to throw his employee under the bus for botching up a prize giveout, and remains mum as conferences shift without ETSU.

Instead, he's spoken of meeting with Paul Stanton, and building fine arts centers, and the like.

You say that "it's called taking the bull by the horns and getting on with your agenda." Outside of some remodelling of the Minidome, what has he done to take the bull by the horns?

And is it HIS agenda? He's publicly stated putting just about everything before athletics.

More likely, it is the hope of the ETSU fan base and nothing more.
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You seem to be stepping up the negativity again in the last few days, Pitt. The personal attacks against East Tennessee and the football suporters on this board appears desperate. But the worst offense may be tearing down the new President as soon as it is announced that he will do something the previous one wouldn't....reach out to the BFFF. That isn't a "magic wand", but it is something we all (including you, I would certainly think) "hoped" he would do. Perhaps you don't really want the things to happen that you've preached about for the last 9 years. Maybe you simply want chaos.... maybe Noland is making you nervous with his actions. Regardless, I say let's hold the criticism for when he does something wrong. Patience won't last long around here, but I don't see anything in his first few months that warrants criticism.
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(05-25-2012 07:21 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  ...This is the shameful legacy of ETSU athletics, a legacy that it shares with no other state university in the nation. We stand ALONE.

Not quite true. A number of state universities have dropped football.
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(05-27-2012 10:20 PM)WingedWarrior Wrote:  
(05-25-2012 07:21 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  ...This is the shameful legacy of ETSU athletics, a legacy that it shares with no other state university in the nation. We stand ALONE.

Not quite true. A number of state universities have dropped football.

That number is much smaller then the number who have added football.
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(05-27-2012 10:32 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  
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(05-25-2012 07:21 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  ...This is the shameful legacy of ETSU athletics, a legacy that it shares with no other state university in the nation. We stand ALONE.

Not quite true. A number of state universities have dropped football.

That number is much smaller then the number who have added football.

Agreed, that's a fact. I'm taking issue with an untrue statement.
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(05-27-2012 10:37 PM)WingedWarrior Wrote:  
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(05-27-2012 10:20 PM)WingedWarrior Wrote:  
(05-25-2012 07:21 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  ...This is the shameful legacy of ETSU athletics, a legacy that it shares with no other state university in the nation. We stand ALONE.

Not quite true. A number of state universities have dropped football.

That number is much smaller then the number who have added football.

Agreed, that's a fact. I'm taking issue with an untrue statement.

Where did he say ETSU was the only school to drop football? I saw him say Shameful legacy, which dropping football is a part of but I don't think that was all he was talking about, I would say the underhanded way and tactics used to justify dropping football, naming Mullins AD, promising the fans MORE and not delivering, spending more after dropping football then they had with football. I can see lots of things besides just dropping football as part of Stanton/Mullins legacy.
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actually looking at this list, I don't see any State univesities that have dropped football (Div I) since ETSU did, I see a few private ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_def...ball_teams
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(05-27-2012 11:19 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  actually looking at this list, I don't see any State univesities that have dropped football (Div I) since ETSU did, I see a few private ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_def...ball_teams

I think you're correct. I'm just saying that it's not true that ETSU is the only state university that's dropped football. That's what the statement said that I'm taking issue with.
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(05-27-2012 11:58 PM)WingedWarrior Wrote:  
(05-27-2012 11:19 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  actually looking at this list, I don't see any State univesities that have dropped football (Div I) since ETSU did, I see a few private ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_def...ball_teams

I think you're correct. I'm just saying that it's not true that ETSU is the only state university that's dropped football. That's what the statement said that I'm taking issue with.

This is what the statement said.

Quote:Yes, Marshall was bad, perhaps the worst program in the nation. And, you know, the terrible plane crash that happened on top of that. They had every reason in the world to quit. Their legit reasons for quitting makes the ETSU reason for actually quitting look so cowardly and lame that it can never be lived down by the university. This is the shameful legacy of ETSU athletics, a legacy that it shares with no other state university in the nation. We stand ALONE.

Where in that statement did he say ETSU was the only state university to drop football. He was talking about the cowardly way it was done.
Since you seem to be such a stickler for that type of thing please show where that is said in the above statement?
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I'm not sure how any of us would know if any other state university dropped football in a "cowardly" way.
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(05-27-2012 11:19 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  actually looking at this list, I don't see any State univesities that have dropped football (Div I) since ETSU did, I see a few private ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_def...ball_teams

I should have stated fully what I was thinking ---- dropped football since 2003, along with that famous Stanton statement that "a large number of Division I-AA football programs would be going out of business". Regardless of how it's stated, it's still shameful.
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(05-28-2012 12:50 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(05-27-2012 11:19 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  actually looking at this list, I don't see any State univesities that have dropped football (Div I) since ETSU did, I see a few private ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_def...ball_teams

I should have stated fully what I was thinking ---- dropped football since 2003, along with that famous Stanton statement that "a large number of Division I-AA football programs would be going out of business". Regardless of how it's stated, it's still shameful.

I believe it's correct that ETSU is the most recent state university to have dropped football.
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