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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
(05-10-2012 08:40 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote: It wasn't a point that all would be invited. CUSA has those schools on a list along with ODU, Delaware and JMU. One thing for sure, CUSA is not interested in App. State now that they have 2 schools from NC. In order to not look bad when this is all said and done, we should push App. State to accept and put pressure on Ga. Southern to follow.
I doubt if pressure is required. You might just try an invite first...
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
(05-10-2012 08:21 AM)panama Wrote: Anyone have a link?
It was mentioned in an interview with our President. Here's the link if you want to listen to it.
Click on the Live at 5 on Tuesday to hear it
Ballard and Holland have both wanted C-USA to go really big for a long time, and I think they want FAU so FIU isn't out on an island, and MTSU is mentioned. Can't remember who else right off hand.
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
This is where it will pay to be proactive and get to 12 with a CG.
If we shift the conference east by inviting App (and possibly GASouthern), give WKU/MT two more bus trips, a regionalized east division (which will benefit everyone by making the east and west tighter, bus-able conferences), it makes the Sunbelt a much more attractive place to be.
Instead we sit, waiting to be reactive, instead of proactive. Instead we're wondering what the next move would be ("Surprise! - you're going to Idaho!" or "How do you guys feel about Lamar!"), at this point, it's a better thing for MT to jump at a CUSA offer (if it comes along).
I think MT would be receptive to staying in the Belt, but the present Belt doesn't offer much incentive to do that. Get to 12, tighten up the geography, add a couple of strong programs.
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
(05-10-2012 08:41 AM)Panthersville Wrote: (05-10-2012 08:23 AM)chiefsfan Wrote: (05-10-2012 08:18 AM)Panthersville Wrote: (05-10-2012 08:12 AM)chiefsfan Wrote: I highly doubt CUSA gets all 3 of those teams. Though I do think it is a strong reason why the SBC should look at going to 12 this year in football, not because of a Championship Game, simply because of the odds that Middle or WKU get plucked.
They will get whatever combination of SBC schools they want.
Depends on the teams. There are certain schools in this league that would have a hard time convincing themselves and their fanbase that CUSA is worth it.
The money would be awful for an 18 team conference.
The reason I dont think they get all 3 teams is I dont think in the end the league goes past 16. What ECU is advocating is essentially its own seperate conference where they dont have to travel to any Western Schools in football. A type setup like that would allow both divisions to simply split off and form their own conferences at one point,
....and CUSA wouldn't want such schools, so the point remains - any of the schools mentioned above, WKU, FAU, MTSU, or GSU would go if asked.
We talking about the same MTSU that rumors say that its president told CUSA they werent really interested in moving?
We're kidding ourselves if we dont think that CUSA has an ultimate goal to kill of the SBC if they get the chance. If we stick together that plan can be shot quickly.
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05-10-2012 08:46 AM |
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
(05-10-2012 08:46 AM)chiefsfan Wrote: (05-10-2012 08:41 AM)Panthersville Wrote: (05-10-2012 08:23 AM)chiefsfan Wrote: (05-10-2012 08:18 AM)Panthersville Wrote: (05-10-2012 08:12 AM)chiefsfan Wrote: I highly doubt CUSA gets all 3 of those teams. Though I do think it is a strong reason why the SBC should look at going to 12 this year in football, not because of a Championship Game, simply because of the odds that Middle or WKU get plucked.
They will get whatever combination of SBC schools they want.
Depends on the teams. There are certain schools in this league that would have a hard time convincing themselves and their fanbase that CUSA is worth it.
The money would be awful for an 18 team conference.
The reason I dont think they get all 3 teams is I dont think in the end the league goes past 16. What ECU is advocating is essentially its own seperate conference where they dont have to travel to any Western Schools in football. A type setup like that would allow both divisions to simply split off and form their own conferences at one point,
....and CUSA wouldn't want such schools, so the point remains - any of the schools mentioned above, WKU, FAU, MTSU, or GSU would go if asked.
We talking about the same MTSU that rumors say that its president told CUSA they werent really interested in moving?
We're kidding ourselves if we dont think that CUSA has an ultimate goal to kill of the SBC if they get the chance. If we stick together that plan can be shot quickly.
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and then CUSA would be the ones at risk.
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05-10-2012 08:52 AM |
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
(05-10-2012 08:42 AM)DrGonzo Wrote: They would do well to add established programs and stray from the media market whore trend. Adding all these startups just to secure the market is really going to widen the gap between BCS and non-AQ FBS if they're not too careful. FAU and MTSU would be good gets. Then, if ODU balks, go with App State.
By getting the markets, they pretty much ensure that the SBC will never pass them. Programs with potential can grow. Programs that have reached their potential can't.
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
"We're kidding ourselves if we dont think that CUSA has an ultimate goal to kill of the SBC if they get the chance. If we stick together that plan can be shot quickly. "
Seems like Mr. Benson is doing a good enough job, CUSA doesn't need to lift a finger.
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
(05-10-2012 08:52 AM)tpopt Wrote: (05-10-2012 08:46 AM)chiefsfan Wrote: (05-10-2012 08:41 AM)Panthersville Wrote: (05-10-2012 08:23 AM)chiefsfan Wrote: (05-10-2012 08:18 AM)Panthersville Wrote: They will get whatever combination of SBC schools they want.
Depends on the teams. There are certain schools in this league that would have a hard time convincing themselves and their fanbase that CUSA is worth it.
The money would be awful for an 18 team conference.
The reason I dont think they get all 3 teams is I dont think in the end the league goes past 16. What ECU is advocating is essentially its own seperate conference where they dont have to travel to any Western Schools in football. A type setup like that would allow both divisions to simply split off and form their own conferences at one point,
....and CUSA wouldn't want such schools, so the point remains - any of the schools mentioned above, WKU, FAU, MTSU, or GSU would go if asked.
We talking about the same MTSU that rumors say that its president told CUSA they werent really interested in moving?
We're kidding ourselves if we dont think that CUSA has an ultimate goal to kill of the SBC if they get the chance. If we stick together that plan can be shot quickly.
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and then CUSA would be the ones at risk.
Their already at risk. They are very willing to take that risk though if they actually think an 18 team league will work. Thats just asking for the league to split in half and each make one add to get to 10 teams.
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05-10-2012 08:59 AM |
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
(05-10-2012 08:54 AM)Panthersville Wrote: (05-10-2012 08:42 AM)DrGonzo Wrote: They would do well to add established programs and stray from the media market whore trend. Adding all these startups just to secure the market is really going to widen the gap between BCS and non-AQ FBS if they're not too careful. FAU and MTSU would be good gets. Then, if ODU balks, go with App State.
By getting the markets, they pretty much ensure that the SBC will never pass them. Programs with potential can grow. Programs that have reached their potential can't.
So you can only grow if you have a market? Someone tell that to Boise State.
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05-10-2012 09:01 AM |
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Glassonion
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
(05-10-2012 08:54 AM)Panthersville Wrote: By getting the markets, they pretty much ensure that the SBC will never pass them. Programs with potential can grow. Programs that have reached their potential can't.
Quick Sun Belter's! Make that move for the Los Angeles school for the deaf! If you can pull in Juilliard, thats a 20+ million market right there...
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05-10-2012 09:05 AM |
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
(05-10-2012 09:01 AM)chiefsfan Wrote: (05-10-2012 08:54 AM)Panthersville Wrote: (05-10-2012 08:42 AM)DrGonzo Wrote: They would do well to add established programs and stray from the media market whore trend. Adding all these startups just to secure the market is really going to widen the gap between BCS and non-AQ FBS if they're not too careful. FAU and MTSU would be good gets. Then, if ODU balks, go with App State.
By getting the markets, they pretty much ensure that the SBC will never pass them. Programs with potential can grow. Programs that have reached their potential can't.
So you can only grow if you have a market? Someone tell that to Boise State.
The thing about Boise State that always gets ignored is that they were not in an area already saturated with FBS football. Besides, I didn't say you couldn't grow if didn't have a market - I said you can grow more if you haven't reached your potential. Smaller, "established" have already reached much more of their potential than larger schools who are just getting started.
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
(05-10-2012 09:06 AM)Panthersville Wrote: (05-10-2012 09:01 AM)chiefsfan Wrote: (05-10-2012 08:54 AM)Panthersville Wrote: (05-10-2012 08:42 AM)DrGonzo Wrote: They would do well to add established programs and stray from the media market whore trend. Adding all these startups just to secure the market is really going to widen the gap between BCS and non-AQ FBS if they're not too careful. FAU and MTSU would be good gets. Then, if ODU balks, go with App State.
By getting the markets, they pretty much ensure that the SBC will never pass them. Programs with potential can grow. Programs that have reached their potential can't.
So you can only grow if you have a market? Someone tell that to Boise State.
The thing about Boise State that always gets ignored is that they were not in an area already saturated with FBS football. Besides, I didn't say you couldn't grow if didn't have a market - I said you can grow more if you haven't reached your potential. Smaller, "established" have already reached much more of their potential than larger schools who are just getting started.
The thing is, the majority of Belt schools havent come close to reaching their potential. And very few of us have a market.
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
We'll I was always luke warm on CUSA. Yes its percieved as a better league and has more bowl tie in. I do think the SBC narrowed the gap tremendously and has a shot to catch them.
However, now that FIU is in CUSA I am MUCH more interested in joining them simply because we would no longer be out on an island and we have our rival back.
Just as it made sense for UNT to go to CUSA to be with other Texas teams, it now makes sense for FAU to go to CUSA to be with a Florida team.
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
(05-10-2012 08:54 AM)Panthersville Wrote: (05-10-2012 08:42 AM)DrGonzo Wrote: They would do well to add established programs and stray from the media market whore trend. Adding all these startups just to secure the market is really going to widen the gap between BCS and non-AQ FBS if they're not too careful. FAU and MTSU would be good gets. Then, if ODU balks, go with App State.
By getting the markets, they pretty much ensure that the SBC will never pass them. Programs with potential can grow. Programs that have reached their potential can't.
So I guess UGA, UNC and UC Bolder are F***ed. You don't necessarily have to be 5 minutes from a market to affect/control it. Alumni and fans spread out when they graduate. This is the fallacy that will the death of conferences like CUSA/SBC ect. The BCS conferences already have powerhouse programs with limitless fans. They're securing markets to garner media attention.
The low-end FBS conferences following suit does nothing more than dilute an already lacking strength-of-schedule (compared to a BCS conference) with powder puff teams like UNCC and Georgia State, all in an effort to keep up with the "big boys" in media attention when there's no chance they can compete with the SEC/ACC ect in those respective markets.
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
(05-10-2012 08:45 AM)RaiderDoug Wrote: This is where it will pay to be proactive and get to 12 with a CG.
If we shift the conference east by inviting App (and possibly GASouthern), give WKU/MT two more bus trips, a regionalized east division (which will benefit everyone by making the east and west tighter, bus-able conferences), it makes the Sunbelt a much more attractive place to be.
Instead we sit, waiting to be reactive, instead of proactive. Instead we're wondering what the next move would be ("Surprise! - you're going to Idaho!" or "How do you guys feel about Lamar!"), at this point, it's a better thing for MT to jump at a CUSA offer (if it comes along).
I think MT would be receptive to staying in the Belt, but the present Belt doesn't offer much incentive to do that. Get to 12, tighten up the geography, add a couple of strong programs.
How do you know these discussions aren't happening? Benson has said his primary goal is to keep schools from leaving. There's no way he's not on the phone with MT seeing what they need to be happy. This is just a message board. No one here knows anything but rumors.
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
I dont think you can equate schools that have been flagships for 100 to 150 years or more to mid-majors. A mid major isnt going to control , affect a market 60 or 80 miles away.
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05-10-2012 09:22 AM |
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
It would amaze me, to see CUSA or the SB for that matter, continue with this game plan that they basically plagiarized from the BE, when the BE is now in turmoil because of it.
This is where you hit the reset button to go back to the Spring of 2010. Do over. Mulligan.
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
(05-10-2012 09:12 AM)DrGonzo Wrote: (05-10-2012 08:54 AM)Panthersville Wrote: By getting the markets, they pretty much ensure that the SBC will never pass them. Programs with potential can grow. Programs that have reached their potential can't.
So I guess UGA, UNC and UC Bolder are F***ed. You don't necessarily have to be 5 minutes from a market to affect/control it. Alumni and fans spread out when they graduate. This is the fallacy that will the death of conferences like CUSA/SBC ect. The BCS conferences already have powerhouse programs with limitless fans. They're securing markets to garner media attention.
The low-end FBS conferences following suit does nothing more than dilute an already lacking strength-of-schedule (compared to a BCS conference) with powder puff teams like UNCC and Georgia State, all in an effort to keep up with the "big boys" in media attention when there's no chance they can compete with the SEC/ACC ect in those respective markets.
Like panama said, you can't compare state flagships that have dominated their markets for extended periods to mid-majors/start-ups. As for competeing with them in their markets, you don't know if you can't compete unless you try. Like was mentioned above - tell that to Boise State.
ApSt and GaSo have about 20K students, and most of their grads do not live within 75 miles of the school. They have done well to get where they are, but the potential for substantial fan growth just isn't there. GSU on the other hand has 32,000 students, and most of our alumni DO live within 75 miles of the school. The potential for substantial fan growth that would surpass ApSt and GaSo is clearly present and likely.
I get that you don't like market-based arguments, and want to perpetuate the myth that FCS success means that a program should be attractive to FBS conferences, but it just isn't true. Nobody is talking about Wyoming, ECW, Delaware, etc. as FBS possibilities, because they simply don't bring what an FBS conference needs.
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
(05-10-2012 09:28 AM)Glassonion Wrote: It would amaze me, to see CUSA or the SB for that matter, continue with this game plan that they basically plagiarized from the BE, when the BE is now in turmoil because of it.
This is where you hit the reset button to go back to the Spring of 2010. Do over. Mulligan.
The only reason the BE is still viable is because of their market strategy. Had they not gone after the markets they did, CUSA would have passed them.
(This post was last modified: 05-10-2012 09:45 AM by Panthersville.)
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