(05-08-2012 09:47 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Here's a quote from the USA Today article in quo's thread about the "food chain:"

"The conference could begin television negotiations as early as September. College football officials inside the league and out, and others well versed in TV negotiations all said the league would be best served if it stayed together, even in its unwieldy current configuration."

Wilkie, I disagree with you. Both sides are better served by sticking together, not splitting. The new TV contract is being negotiated with FB and BB together, b/c it is more valuable that way. The BB schools need the association with a major conference, and the FB schools need the good BB schools. The BB side owns the BE name, so they wouldn't be the ones splitting, and the FB conference would have to start over with no brand identification. I say they continue to stay together.

But it will be interesting to see what the Boston Consulting Group advises (if it ever becomes public) about the BE's "organization design and structure." That tells me that the league is not considering splitting, but rather is figuring out if there is a better way to make this hybrid work.

This.

(05-08-2012 10:09 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  I was once hated on this messageboard for referring to the non-football members as "parasites" and trying to precipitate a split, mainly (as most regular posters knew) because at the time, a split afforded the best chance for Memphis to join. Sorry about that - my school was in a desperate situation, and I was saying anything and everything I thought might help (still will, of course). Now, however, as a member of the Big East family, I clearly see and gladly admit to the value of keeping it all together for the sake of maximizing revenues and sharing the benefits of the Big East brand.

Wow. Confession IS good for the soul. :)

Seriously, welcome aboard and I think that you are right......this time......

the oppertunity to split has passed with Syc, Pitt, WV, Mia, VT & BC gone.
as long as BE stays at 6 & is nationwide, BE can always backfill.

(05-08-2012 10:29 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  the oppertunity to split has passed with Syc, Pitt, WV, Mia, VT & BC gone.
as long as BE stays at 6 & is nationwide, BE can always backfill.

Agreed. If the new commissioner called ECU at midnight, Terry Holland would charter a plane overnight to be there in the morning.

What is wrong with the Northeast Media, arrogance? Why? In football, when was Syracuse last relevant, Pitt was last relevant when SMU beat them in the Cotton Bowl game (and we beat them again in the Compass Bowl just last year). UConn and USF weren't even Div. 1 till a few years ago. And Rutgers and Temple were bottom feeders for years. The New Big East is better in football than the Big East has been since the Miami, et. al. defections. Look what Louisville and Cincinnati have done coming from CUSA. The new teams just aren't in the Northeast, hence the arrogant bias. Let's get behind the NEW Big East and shut the nay=sayers up!

I really don't see how the ACC is better then the Big East in football or basketball.

Basketball:

Louisville- Tourney Team
Temple- Tourney Team
Cincinatti- Tourney Team
Memphis- Tourney Team
Marquette- Tourney Team
UConn- Tourney Team
Villanova-
St. Johns
Georgetown- Tourney Team
Seton Hall
DePaul
Notre Dame- Tourney Team
South Florida- Tourney Team
Central Florida
Houston
SMU- with new staff, solid plan. ( Might turn into a good program)
Rutgers
Providence

And that would be based off this seasons results. Do you honestly expect Villanova to stay down? They were young. Providence is on the way up. Good team coming back with good recruits coming in, Seton Hall is improving, Houston is a top 18 Recruiting Class, SMU is still a question mark but the plan is in place, Rutgers is improving, Central Florida is getting better and better and they have made a great commitment to their BBall program. St. Johns was extremely young. They will be a top 25 team if not this season the 2013-2014 season. DePaul is a question mark to me. Located in Chicago aurrounded by massive amounts of talent. I have high hopes for them

ACC- While not short on tradition, from top to bottom doesn't add up.

Duke- Tourney Team
North Carolina- Tourney Team
Florida St.- Tourney Team
Syracuse- Tourney Team
Pittsburg
Miami
N.C. State- Tourney Team
Virginia- Tourney Team
Clemson
Maryland
Wake Forest
Georgia Tech
Boston College
Virgina Tech

So 6 teams compared to 9 teams. I think it will flucate between teams but based on current rosters and incoming classes. The Big East could get as many as 11-12 teams in most seasons as compared to 5-7 for the ACC. ( Not being biased) Actual Tourney results may say different when the time comes.

As far as Football-

At worse case the conferences are about even. Only thing is we know what the ACC is going to give you every season. With the Big East the cieling is higher.

No ones knows what Boise St., San Diego St., Memphis, UCF, Houston, Navy, Temple, or SMU is going to do. It could be a bad thing or an incredibly good thing.

Sure the Big 12, B1G, Pac 10, and SEC are well above both of us but the ACC is not.

I like Big East basketball. With that said, the Big East should have went to the 12/20 football/basketball model. [/color]

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!

....how 'bout we just enjoy our digs, and let the dice fall where they may?

(05-08-2012 10:33 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I like Big East basketball. With that said, the Big East should have went to the 12/20 football/basketball model. [/color]

Agree

(05-08-2012 10:14 AM)BE Tex Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 10:07 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 10:05 AM)BE Tex Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 09:44 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  The New Big East is still better than all the other football conferences accept the SEC, PAC 12, Big 12, the Big 10 and the ACC.

I think this group of football schools are laying the ground work to next all-sports conference. I suspect it will soon part from the 7 non-football schools. There will be no one sport teams soon either.

That's how I see it.

It is possible and hopefully so. The internal turmoil between the non-football and football schools is significant and will always be there. Until they split off on their own (and they can keep the Big East name), this league will always be having footballs schools wanting out from the power of the non-fb schools. This hybrid league has ran its course and the former commissoner saw it, Marrinatto sees it and everyone on the outside sees it. The competing adgendas is killing the BE as a whole.

Maybe not. From another recent thread here:

http://news.providencejournal.com/sports...split.html

Adding Temple and Memphis was a play to appease the bb schools. Are they helping the strength of football for the league? No. Are they helping the leagues for the post BCS era against the other power 'football' conferences? No.
Sure there may be some give and take with adding SMU and UCF for all sports but the conference shifts that are happening is to strengthen football and the TV contracts that sport brings in...not basketball.

Did I miss something? Are Mississippi, Vanderbilt, Duke, North Carolina, Indiana, Northwestern, Kansas, Oregon St and Colorado getting kicked out of their conferences for being bottom feeders in football? It's not ALL about football, if it were then Boise would be in the Pac12 and you wouldn't have to come here to troll.

(05-08-2012 10:33 AM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!

....how 'bout we just enjoy our digs, and let the dice fall where they may?

Amen

(05-08-2012 10:31 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  I really don't see how the ACC is better then the Big East in football or basketball.

Basketball:

Louisville- Tourney Team
Temple- Tourney Team
Cincinatti- Tourney Team
Memphis- Tourney Team
Marquette- Tourney Team
UConn- Tourney Team
Villanova-
St. Johns
Georgetown- Tourney Team
Seton Hall
DePaul
Notre Dame- Tourney Team
South Florida- Tourney Team
Central Florida
Houston
SMU- with new staff, solid plan. ( Might turn into a good program)
Rutgers
Providence

And that would be based off this seasons results. Do you honestly expect Villanova to stay down? They were young. Providence is on the way up. Good team coming back with good recruits coming in, Seton Hall is improving, Houston is a top 18 Recruiting Class, SMU is still a question mark but the plan is in place, Rutgers is improving, Central Florida is getting better and better and they have made a great commitment to their BBall program. St. Johns was extremely young. They will be a top 25 team if not this season the 2013-2014 season. DePaul is a question mark to me. Located in Chicago aurrounded by massive amounts of talent. I have high hopes for them

ACC- While not short on tradition, from top to bottom doesn't add up.

Duke- Tourney Team
North Carolina- Tourney Team
Florida St.- Tourney Team
Syracuse- Tourney Team
Pittsburg
Miami
N.C. State- Tourney Team
Virginia- Tourney Team
Clemson
Maryland
Wake Forest
Georgia Tech
Boston College
Virgina Tech

So 6 teams compared to 9 teams. I think it will flucate between teams but based on current rosters and incoming classes. The Big East could get as many as 11-12 teams in most seasons as compared to 5-7 for the ACC. ( Not being biased) Actual Tourney results may say different when the time comes.

As far as Football-

At worse case the conferences are about even. Only thing is we know what the ACC is going to give you every season. With the Big East the cieling is higher.

This.

(05-08-2012 09:40 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 09:29 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Big East split could happen soon By Mark Blaudschun of the Boston Globe. Of course this is opinion from ACC country. But this is not good when you are down and out. Looks like many are trying to give the New Big East the coup de grace

Boston Globe linky

That guy writes like he's posting on a message board. I think his last sentence was meant to read "wouldn't be a shock"...

Nothing to see there.

I agree Homer. Sadly, that is what the media has become. Just see those ESPN "reports" from yesterday.

(05-08-2012 10:09 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  I was once hated on this messageboard for referring to the non-football members as "parasites" and trying to precipitate a split, mainly (as most regular posters knew) because at the time, a split afforded the best chance for Memphis to join. Sorry about that - my school was in a desperate situation, and I was saying anything and everything I thought might help (still will, of course). Now, however, as a member of the Big East family, I clearly see and gladly admit to the value of keeping it all together for the sake of maximizing revenues and sharing the benefits of the Big East brand.

Up to now, I've pretty much laughed at your 180 since joining, but it's good to see you admit to seeing both sides of the issue

I'm sure they are going to split, the Basketball onlies hate money

(05-08-2012 10:09 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  I was once hated on this messageboard for referring to the non-football members as "parasites" and trying to precipitate a split, mainly (as most regular posters knew) because at the time, a split afforded the best chance for Memphis to join. Sorry about that - my school was in a desperate situation, and I was saying anything and everything I thought might help (still will, of course). Now, however, as a member of the Big East family, I clearly see and gladly admit to the value of keeping it all together for the sake of maximizing revenues and sharing the benefits of the Big East brand.

Welcome to the Dark Side.

(05-08-2012 09:29 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Big East split could happen soon By Mark Blaudschun of the Boston Globe. Of course this is opinion from ACC country. But this is not good when you are down and out.

Down and out?

Who?

As poster Bull wrote so succinctly yesterday:

"The internet is in meltdown mode because the BE got rid of the comish that everyone said was horrible? That says something about the internet."

Still rings true today...as he was able to write what some so-called journalists still can't write today.

(05-08-2012 10:05 AM)BE Tex Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 09:44 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  The New Big East is still better than all the other football conferences accept the SEC, PAC 12, Big 12, the Big 10 and the ACC.

I think this group of football schools are laying the ground work to next all-sports conference. I suspect it will soon part from the 7 non-football schools. There will be no one sport teams soon either.

That's how I see it.

It is possible and hopefully so. The internal turmoil between the non-football and football schools is significant and will always be there. Until they split off on their own (and they can keep the Big East name), this league will always be having footballs schools wanting out from the power of the non-fb schools. This hybrid league has ran its course and the former commissoner saw it, Marrinatto sees it and everyone on the outside sees it. The competing agendas is killing the BE as a whole.

What do you know about "internal turmoil" in the BE?

I don't know what is giving people the impression that basketball schools are working against FB schools. It makes no sense. If basketball schools are really against FB schools, why did they approved expansion of schools like UCF, Houston, SMU, Temple and Memphis? This is pure an opinion piece. It would be stupid to split now because there is a huge pot of gold sitting right there if they wait a few more months.

(05-08-2012 06:40 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  I don't know what is giving people the impression that basketball schools are working against FB schools. It makes no sense. If basketball schools are really against FB schools, why did they approved expansion of schools like UCF, Houston, SMU, Temple and Memphis? This is pure an opinion piece. It would be stupid to split now because there is a huge pot of gold sitting right there if they wait a few more months.

In fact, ND AD Jack Swarbrick was spearheading Big East expansion. Considering Notre Dame is a basketball school, those rumors are very odd indeed.