(05-08-2012 04:23 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 09:40 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think the BE has "slipped down the food chain." I think they are in the same place they have always been. I just think quo makes a living here pointing out everything negative he possibly can about the BE.

Thanks to our SEC trolls and the negative Nancy's they influence, we are quite familiar with that sort of thing on the Memphis board.

Like arguing with me for years about why you didn't want Memphis in the Big East?

(05-08-2012 03:07 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 03:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  In sum, he has no reasons to beat up on the Big East.

Oh he got plenty of reasons. Even a blind bat can see that but you can't. He was bashing the BE to justify why WVU was leaving and help WVU out with their lawsuit.

Ding!

Even a broken clock can figure it out.

Neinas is no-class fool.

There are two ways to rank conferences. If you're talking attendance and nationwide fan interest, the Big East is #6 ... but still much closer to the five BCS conferences than the lesser conferences.

If you're talking quality of football, the Big East is #4, ahead of the B1G and ACC.

There is no category that has the "top five" conferences separated by a wide gap from the Big East and the lesser conferences. Neinas is delusional, and an a$$.

(05-08-2012 05:19 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Neinas is no-class fool.

There are two ways to rank conferences. If you're talking attendance and nationwide fan interest, the Big East is #6 ... but still much closer to the five BCS conferences than the lesser conferences.

If you talking quality of football, the Big East is #4, ahead of the B1G and ACC.

There is no category that has the "top five" conferences separated by a wide gap from the Big East and the lesser conferences. Neinas is delusional, and an a$$.

And that's why people should take whatever he says with a grain of salt.

And they can harp on the Big12 contract but the reality is that even in the top 5 there is a divide and the gap between the SEC,BigTen and the PAC,ACC,Big12 is just as large.
He can spin it anyway he wants but a big12 that replaces Nebraska,Texas AM, Mizzou and Colorado with West Virginia and TCU has also dropped back in the ranks

(05-08-2012 05:27 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  And they can harp on the Big12 contract but the reality is that even in the top 5 there is a divide and the gap between the SEC,BigTen and the PAC,ACC,Big12 is just as large.
He can spin it anyway he wants but a big12 that replaces Nebraska,Texas AM, Mizzou and Colorado with West Virginia and TCU has also dropped back in the ranks

He has absolutely no reason to spin anything.

To be honest there is a big 2, or maybe 3 if you include Pac, but they are a distant 3rd.

(05-08-2012 05:27 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  And they can harp on the Big12 contract but the reality is that even in the top 5 there is a divide and the gap between the SEC,BigTen and the PAC,ACC,Big12 is just as large.
He can spin it anyway he wants but a big12 that replaces Nebraska,Texas AM, Mizzou and Colorado with West Virginia and TCU has also dropped back in the ranks

Spot on!

Losing the fanbases at places like NEBRASKA, COLORADO, MIZZOU, AND TEXAS A&M is HUGE...
What remains is not so impressive. Iowa State, Baylor, K-State, etc..
A school like TCU wont replace a Texas A&M. In fact, their market overlaps with UT and Texas Tech. It's not a big gain.

They've defintely dropped back in the ranks. And the conferences that raided them, the Pac 12, B1G, and the SEC, will ALL look to the Big 12 FIRST when they decide to expand. Not only that, but they'll take whats left of the cream.

(05-08-2012 05:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 05:27 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  And they can harp on the Big12 contract but the reality is that even in the top 5 there is a divide and the gap between the SEC,BigTen and the PAC,ACC,Big12 is just as large.
He can spin it anyway he wants but a big12 that replaces Nebraska,Texas AM, Mizzou and Colorado with West Virginia and TCU has also dropped back in the ranks

He has absolutely no reason to spin anything.

Really? You don't think that the Big12 has slid farther back from the big 2 with the recent moves? But you don't see old Neinas mentioning that do you.

(05-08-2012 05:19 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Neinas is no-class fool.

There are two ways to rank conferences. If you're talking attendance and nationwide fan interest, the Big East is #6 ... but still much closer to the five BCS conferences than the lesser conferences.

If you talking quality of football, the Big East is #4, ahead of the B1G and ACC.

There is no category that has the "top five" conferences separated by a wide gap from the Big East and the lesser conferences. Neinas is delusional, and an a$$.

Is there any doubt that he is Quo's personal hero? Anything out of this guy's mouth is all suddenly a new thread on the BE forum by Quo because it involves bashing the BE in one form or another.

The guy is a jacka** who does not know his place. His B12 almost disappeared just a few months ago for christ's sake.

(05-08-2012 05:42 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 05:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 05:27 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  And they can harp on the Big12 contract but the reality is that even in the top 5 there is a divide and the gap between the SEC,BigTen and the PAC,ACC,Big12 is just as large.
He can spin it anyway he wants but a big12 that replaces Nebraska,Texas AM, Mizzou and Colorado with West Virginia and TCU has also dropped back in the ranks

He has absolutely no reason to spin anything.

Really? You don't think that the Big12 has slid farther back from the big 2 with the recent moves? But you don't see old Neinas mentioning that do you.

The Big 12 is clearly reduced from what it was before the raids by the B1G, PAC, and SEC. And yet, it is also true that the Big 12 clearly remains one of the "big boy" conferences, in both results on the field and media appeal.

That is not in question by anyone, so Neinas had no cause to reduce the Big East in an effort to boost the Big 12.

(05-08-2012 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 05:42 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 05:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 05:27 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  And they can harp on the Big12 contract but the reality is that even in the top 5 there is a divide and the gap between the SEC,BigTen and the PAC,ACC,Big12 is just as large.
He can spin it anyway he wants but a big12 that replaces Nebraska,Texas AM, Mizzou and Colorado with West Virginia and TCU has also dropped back in the ranks

He has absolutely no reason to spin anything.

Really? You don't think that the Big12 has slid farther back from the big 2 with the recent moves? But you don't see old Neinas mentioning that do you.

The Big 12 is clearly reduced from what it was before the raids by the B1G, PAC, and SEC. And yet, it is also true that the Big 12 clearly remains one of the "big boy" conferences, in both results on the field and media appeal.

That is not in question by anyone, so Neinas had no cause to reduce the Big East in an effort to boost the Big 12.

There are three great programs in the Big 12. The rest of the league was going to be left to die on the vine when UT,OU and OSU threatened go west.

The big East just needs to develop one or two programs and create an environment that will give them the money and exposure they need to succeed nationally.

(05-08-2012 06:57 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  There are three great programs in the Big 12. The rest of the league was going to be left to die on the vine when UT,OU and OSU threatened go west.

The big East just needs to develop one or two programs and create an environment that will give them the money and exposure they need to succeed nationally.

I agree with everything you say here. But, i note that nothing you say contradicts what Neinas said or I have been saying either. Not that this was your point ...

Neinas can kiss the darkest part of my lilly white arse. I hope the nBE teams make him swallow his words. These nBE coaches should be posting that article in every weight room, this offseason.

Here is the bottom line. It doesn't matter what Neinas and others say. IF the new Big East is successful on the field in the stands and in its tv contracts then that will change perception.

(05-08-2012 11:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 09:18 AM)goldenstang Wrote:  Neinas seems like a D-Bag

Maybe from a Big East perspective, but he took over the Big 12 last September and has stabilized conference membership (well, sort of) and signed a huge new ESPN media deal. He is highly respected in the college athletics community.

He didn't stabilize shat... Mizzou bolted anyway AFTER he assumed his role (BTW, he did a lot of complaining about UM on their way out the door).

NO ONE in that conference, except Texas and OU, are expansion candidates anywhere. And those two have their state legislatures to deal with if they do go. So, being stripped down as far as it could is what stabilized the league. That and picking off one member from the one that was in worse shape.

(05-08-2012 08:33 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Here is the bottom line. It doesn't matter what Neinas and others say. IF the new Big East is successful on the field in the stands and in its tv contracts then that will change perception.

+1. If BE wins on the field and kick those so-called big boys' ass like BE has done in the past, I don't know how anyone in their right mind can deny the fact BE is a power conference unless they are retarded. People that constantly rate teams based on 50-100 years old history just don't get it, most young kids could give rat's a** about those things outside few really dedicated fans. Most casual fans just want to see good teams play each other.

Now if BE's play on the field is on par with CUSA, then we don't deserve to be a power conference pure and simple. I highly doubt that will happen anytime soon.

Therefore, Neinas or other buttholes like him can say whatever they want cause it is not reality.

(05-08-2012 08:33 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Here is the bottom line. It doesn't matter what Neinas and others say. IF the new Big East is successful on the field in the stands and in its tv contracts then that will change perception.

The key element is "in the stands". The biggest problem the BE has is a lack of huge fanbases that travel well. The reason we don't have a major bowl tie-in is because we don't sell enough tickets, pure and simple. If UL or any other schools start filling up stadiums for bowls, that will change the perception immensely. The ACC is pretty mediocre on the field but their name football teams, FSU, VT, and Clemson, travel well so they are wanted.

(05-08-2012 10:02 PM)MiddleTiger Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 08:33 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Here is the bottom line. It doesn't matter what Neinas and others say. IF the new Big East is successful on the field in the stands and in its tv contracts then that will change perception.

The key element is "in the stands". The biggest problem the BE has is a lack of huge fanbases that travel well. The reason we don't have a major bowl tie-in is because we don't sell enough tickets, pure and simple. If UL or any other schools start filling up stadiums for bowls, that will change the perception immensely. The ACC is pretty mediocre on the field but their name football teams, FSU, VT, and Clemson, travel well so they are wanted.

In the stands for bowl games, you mean specifically, right? I know, attendance counts everywhere, but it is critical in bowl games to travel well.

(05-08-2012 10:05 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 10:02 PM)MiddleTiger Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 08:33 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Here is the bottom line. It doesn't matter what Neinas and others say. IF the new Big East is successful on the field in the stands and in its tv contracts then that will change perception.

The key element is "in the stands". The biggest problem the BE has is a lack of huge fanbases that travel well. The reason we don't have a major bowl tie-in is because we don't sell enough tickets, pure and simple. If UL or any other schools start filling up stadiums for bowls, that will change the perception immensely. The ACC is pretty mediocre on the field but their name football teams, FSU, VT, and Clemson, travel well so they are wanted.

In the stands for bowl games, you mean specifically, right? I know, attendance counts everywhere, but it is critical in bowl games to travel well.

Yep. You know me well enough to know what I meant.