Some really good points made in this thread primarily by frustrated ECU fans. Many would agree new leadership at ECU could put them in a better position moving forward.

(05-05-2012 10:25 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  TH had nothing to do with the members leaving CUSA for greener pastures. While I am totally pissed with the outcome of this mess...I don't blame him for it.

Who cares about those schools leaving. Elevating start up competitors like ODU and UNCC under our nose to eat off our recruiting plate and compete with us for students, recruits, money, future conf affiliation, media etc was 100 times more damaging to our future than not getting in the Big East, will undercuts us forever. That's all his fault.

It's basically like a Walmart having minimized the area K-marts and Rose's and mom an pop stores for decades having a new leader come in and prop up a Dollar General beside them and given them access to all their vendors and equal discounts so they can compete with them. It's so stupid it can't be defended. Hell in that example App would be more like a Dollar General even. UNCC is more like a business that's not even in the superstore business and just wanting to get in.

(05-05-2012 10:41 PM)UCFL Wrote:  Some really good points made in this thread primarily by frustrated ECU fans. Many would agree new leadership at ECU could put them in a better position moving forward.

IT IS NOT A LEADERSHIP ISSUE.

TH's "stats" and DR. BALLARD's "stats" on the job say differently.

This is a "game has changed" issue and we can't change our physical location or our tv market DMA. We have controlled everything we can control.

With your great facilities and fanbase, there has to be some leadership that can get you all to the next level. I'm pretty sure that is what frustrated a majority of your fanbase. I also don't think TH handled the conference realignment opportunity well at all.

(05-05-2012 10:37 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  However, TH is only 1 part in the CUSA machine. Also, the ones complain like you are the same ones that didn't like CUSA travel--now we get schools closer.

Bull. I have never said one word about travel. I think it's way overblown. Our past administration never said a word when we were flying to Wisconsin mid week to play Marquette or Depaul in Chicago and were in the the same division in all sports. That was seen as progress at the time and national conference are the way things are going. This is a Holland thing and for our administration to whine as much as they do about travel is a joke when you compare. Look out west, there are schools with travel issue 100 times worse than our own. There are 50 or so D1 schools with in 4 hours we can play OOC in every sport which is half your schedule and our conference schedule is not even as bad as some of the other teams. A school like UTEP with 4 D1 schools total around them in that distance has to pay schools a ton more money to visit. and travel

Travel is just a way of life out west and they deal with it and never say a word or in UTEP's case push for a travel partner like New Mexico State because their administration sees the big picture and doesn't want them, andl they don’t' even recruit that area they are in much so their impact would be far less. What Holland has done is blow our future to save a couple of bucks on 2 trips a year and recreate a division that looks like the Southern Conference 2012 version Jenkins got us the hell out of 35 years ago. Small time ball with schools that haven’t even played for 5 years.

(05-05-2012 10:46 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  This is a "game has changed" issue and we can't change our physical location or our tv market DMA. We have controlled everything we can control.

Holland said the Big East model didn't fit what ECU valued then followed it completely when he pushed through big market teams that had no success or much fan support. Hell one doesn't even have a team and he actually added them over a team a couple hours away with 30k in attendance and 3 lower level championships. If he actually believed in those things he was trying to sell the Big East he would have pushed App and JMU instead of UNCC and ODU and he should have pushed none of them if he was looking out for ECU's interest. How the heck can he call the Big East or the Big 12 up now and say their model for picking teams was wrong? He totally validated it.

(05-05-2012 10:58 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 10:37 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  However, TH is only 1 part in the CUSA machine. Also, the ones complain like you are the same ones that didn't like CUSA travel--now we get schools closer.

Bull. I have never said one word about travel. I think it's way overblown. Our past administration never said a word when we were flying to Wisconsin mid week to play Marquette or Depaul in Chicago and were in the the same division in all sports. That was seen as progress at the time and national conference are the way things are going. This is a Holland thing and for our administration to whine as much as they do about travel is a joke when you compare.

Look out west, there are schools with travel issue 100 times worse than our own. There are 50 or so D1 schools with in 4 hours we can play OOC in ever sport which is half your schedule. A school like UTEP with 4 D1 schools around them in that distance has to pay schools a ton more money to visit.

Travel is just a way of life and they deal with it and never say a word or push for a travel partner like New Mexico State because their administration sees the big picture and doesn't want them, andl they don’t' even recruit that area they are in much so their impact would be far less. What Holland has done is blow our future to save a couple of bucks on 2 travel and recreate a division that looks like the Southern Conference 2012 version our Jenkins got us the hell out of 35 years ago. Small time ball with schools that haven’t even played for 5 years.

C'mon dude.... ANYTHING was better than the CAA as far as exposure goes. The All-Sports invite to CUSA was supposed to be our savior. In some regards it helped a lot. Then all the boo birds came out of the wood work when TH took over hating on the travel to all the schools in the conference and basically molded the mindset of playing a tough OOC to offset the travel of our own conference. They you guys want to go to the BE with as because it is "close to home." The BE fell through and it is somehow TH's fault?

CUSA is a far different ball game than the Southern Conference was at that time. And in 35 years maybe those schools have improved their lot in life? I mean there are still quite a few remaining members in CUSA. To be the next Southern Conference we would have to accept a invite from the SBC.

(05-05-2012 11:08 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 10:46 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  This is a "game has changed" issue and we can't change our physical location or our tv market DMA. We have controlled everything we can control.

Holland said the Big East model didn't fit what ECU valued then followed it completely when he pushed through big market teams that had no success or much fan support. Hell one doesn't even have a team and he actually added them over a team a couple hours away with 30k in attendance and 3 lower level championships. If he actually believed in those things he was trying to sell the Big East he would have pushed App and JMU instead of UNCC and ODU and he should have pushed none of them if he was looking out for ECU's interest How the heck can he call the Big East or the Big 12 up now and say their model for picking teams was wrong? We totally validated it.

The BE did a money grab for tv markets. TH via Undaunted basically told them we have tv ratings. TH said we are already in your footprint.

At the point TV and location reasonably argued to them in our favor didn't work we pretty much went back to the drawing board and are working on improving CUSA. And what people claim to be wrong with what is left in CUSA is travel, regional rivalries, and a BIG tv pay day since we lost some major tv markets from what we had. We basically went local/regional rivalries with tv markets in our additions.

(05-05-2012 11:08 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 10:46 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  This is a "game has changed" issue and we can't change our physical location or our tv market DMA. We have controlled everything we can control.

Holland said the Big East model didn't fit what ECU valued then followed it completely when he pushed through big market teams that had no success or much fan support. Hell one doesn't even have a team and he actually added them over a team a couple hours away with 30k in attendance and 3 lower level championships. If he actually believed in those things he was trying to sell the Big East he would have pushed App and JMU instead of UNCC and ODU and he should have pushed none of them if he was looking out for ECU's interest How the heck can he call the Big East or the Big 12 up now and say their model for picking teams was wrong? We totally validated it.

If Charlotte had started a football program up in 2005 they'd still be in CUSA. Would have been the same situation as UAB. They were in CUSA before we were and they voted YES to adding ECU to CUSA. Still butthurt because they owned us in basketball???

Competition is a good thing. It's a good thing in the private sector and I believe it will be a good thing in CUSA for us. Bottom line is our facilities and fanbase for football are light years ahead of ODU and Charlotte both. Yet you sound like you're afraid of them somehow. If we can't beat out Charlotte and ODU for recruits we've got bigger problems.

You're references to recruiting are greatly exagerrated.

By my count we've only got 12 players of 97 from the Tidewater area of VA or Charlotte. Of those 12 only 5 are what I'd call impact players.

Jeton Beavers (VA Beach)
Chaz Lowery (VA Beach)
Dominique Lennon (Suffolk)
Cody Keith (Charlotte)
Damon Magazu (Charlotte)

I guess you're assumption is that Charlotte and ODU will beat us for their "turf" guys 9 times out of 10??? If you haven't noticed a lot of kids want to get away from home for college. I actually think it helps that we'll play in their back yards. Kids want to play in front of their parents. Chances are pretty good we destroy them both on their homefield.

Ohh and to stir up the ultimate pot...


EVERYONE KNOWS we aren't in the BE not because of anything TH did but because of the '91 Peach Bowl :sly:

Says the same clown Blunderbuss that was just agreeing with me last week on these schools not being added.

ODU beat us on a rivals 3 star nationally ranked QB from their backyard before they ever played a down. This will impact our recruiting and not just on guys from Charlotte guys or Tidewater in the past we got 95% of the time but all over the state. Charlotte especially with the tuition wavier problem being a big issue that already cost us both hundreds of thousands of dollars. The focus of both of our recruiting in the future will be on signing recruits from the state so they dont have to make up all that money, these are recruits we got and would have still got almost all of the time prior or would have had they started in the Sun Belt. They will recruit NC hard and on equal footing now and it will be damaging and has nothing to do with competing and just plain stupidity of giving away what you already won decades ago with great leaders.

As you can see in this thread Holland is still loved and defended by most of our fanbase. Here is a photo of some of these fans.



These sheep would follow him blindly where ever he led us.

Three years I have warned about this being the back up plan and was told I was nuts and it this was all just political lipservice and would never happen, and now that it has and they defend this garbage. Our fanbase has to be the most brainwashed bunch ever. If UCF's AD wanted to added FIU when they were in the conference they would have ran him out of town I suspect. Same goes for any other schools fans, yet our fans actually applaud this mess.

(05-05-2012 11:27 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Ohh and to stir up the ultimate pot...


EVERYONE KNOWS we aren't in the BE not because of anything TH did but because of the '91 Peach Bowl :sly:

+1

I think TH did a brilliant job of protecting ECU & CUSA. The BE has proven they will go any where for a team in a large city market, so in the past it didn't matter who CUSA added if the BE wanted them they got them. Same way when the ACC wanted a BE team. Now that the AQ is gone things might change.

They will play on a regular basis in Charlotte & VA which should improve their recruiting even more.

(05-05-2012 11:40 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Says the same clown Blunderbuss that was just agreeing with me last week on these schools not being added.

I can agree with you on something but I can also live with it and not act like a whiny little ***** if it doesn't go my way. That's exactly what you sound like....a *****.

TH is not baaaaaaaadddd at all.

At least I have a mind of my own and it's bull **** this thread was moved.

This thread should have remained on this board if some of the other OT and irrelevant crap can without being removed.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=568382&page=2

Fact is his vision or lack there of has affected all of CUSA.

I wonder who moved it?

His vision or lack thereof brought you your beloved Lebo.