Army or navy would do that Mongo. They arn't intersted in taking Memhis. Actually, in terms of dollars Army / Navy would be the way to go.

TopCoog Wrote:Army or navy would do that Mongo. They arn't intersted in taking Memhis. Actually, in terms of dollars Army / Navy would be the way to go.

I can see Army and/or Navy as good Big East members.

MongoSlade Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:Army or navy would do that Mongo. They arn't intersted in taking Memhis. Actually, in terms of dollars Army / Navy would be the way to go.

I can see Army and/or Navy as good Big East members.

I can't.

Not if you want a all sports conference.

Enter, why would you want an all spotrs confrence if it is goin to cost you money?

TopCoog Wrote:Enter, why would you want an all spotrs confrence if it is goin to cost you money?

It want cost me nothing.

And futher more, if UofL never plays Army again it will be to soon.

Yes it will. It will cost you millions. you guys seem to think that we just put a game on TV and a bunch of advertisers just toss in some money so we can all watch ball. I've told you how it works not we'll see if they split.

TopCoog Wrote:Yes it will. It will cost you millions. you guys seem to think that we just put a game on TV and a bunch of advertisers just toss in some money so we can all watch ball. I've told you how it works not we'll see if they split.

In your argument, we make more off attendance than advertising dollars. if you don't think that a sold out game vs. Memphis in both sports doesn't nullify any ideal of adding real bad service academy.

Let's see two top 20 teams (UofL vs. Memphis) sure would be something that I would want to watch. vs. a 1 win service academy.

If you don't think that a UofL vs. Memphis game wouldn't be on TV, well history say other wise,. and further more Louisville and Army played one game on Fox Sports, other than that its not close.

Only teams that can't sale out there venues have to depend on conference TV revenue, Louisville doesn't.

Look Sandman, I'm just telling you how the contracts are figured, thats all. If TV money is not important to your program why were you guys worried about all that BCS money????? Thats the TV deal...geeeze.

TopCoog Wrote:Look Sandman, I'm just telling you how the contracts are figured, thats all. If TV money is not important to your program why were you guys worried about all that BCS money????? Thats the TV deal...geeeze.

Are you trying to say that Army and/or Navy would be more valuable to a potential TV contract that Memphis?

First of all, let's talk about basketball. Even you can't argue that Army and Navy combined would more valuable than Memphis to a basketball contract.

Secondly, we'll talk football. Memphis is going to be on national TV 4 times this year (3 times on ESPN). I expect Memphis to make a big boost in football program over the next 4-6 years much like both Marshall and Louisville have done the last 4-6 years.

I expect that Marshall (ESPN darling) and Louisville would be more valuable to a football TV contract than Army and Navy. Even if Memphis isn't more valuable as of TODAY, I'm confident that Memphis will be in the very near future.

At worst, Memphis is close to equal to Army and Navy when it comes to value for a football TV contract. At best, Army and Navy will never get close to Memphis in value for a BB contract. The bottom line is that the value that Memphis brings to the basketball plus football contracts is more than the bottom line that Army and Navy bring. When is the last time you saw Army or Navy play basketball on ABC, CBS or ESPN? Memphis has had close to 25 national TV games over the last two seasons and have 12-15 scheduled this year.

Look....Army and navy are not going to be full members, they won't be playing basketball in the Big East. They would lose every game 150 to 0. If you have 8 teams and you want to go to 12 you wouldn't want a 20 team basketball league so it makes sense to add two football onlys, thats all. They won't do it but if they were they would resist a 20 team league.

TopCoog Wrote:Look....Army and navy are not going to be full members, they won't be playing basketball in the Big East. They would lose every game 150 to 0. If you have 8 teams and you want to go to 12 you wouldn't want a 20 team basketball league so it makes sense to add two football onlys, thats all. They won't do it but if they were they would resist a 20 team league.

I don't think the idea of the Big East adding Army and Navy for football only is totally off base. Actually, I'm afraid of the idea because it would hurt Memphis' chance to get into the Big East.

If the 8 FB schools don't break away from the 8 non-FB schools, then I think the Army-Navy thing is more likely. We'll see.

With all due respect 3601 i don't think it will hurt your chances because i think they are nill. The only way Memphis could get is if someone left, ie Pitt etc.

TopCoog Wrote:With all due respect 3601 i don't think it will hurt your chances because i think they are nill. The only way Memphis could get is if someone left, ie Pitt etc.

With all due respect, I think you're wrong.

A few years ago they laughed at us when we said we were going to hire Coach Calapari.

Then they laughed at us when we said we were going to try to get an NBA franchise.

Then they laughed at us when we said we were going to try to get the Tyson-Lewis Heavyweight fight in Memphis.

Then they laughted at us when we said that we were going to try to lure Jerry West, the best GM in the NBA, to Memphis.

Don't underestimate the Bluff City.

Nobody is laughing at you 3601. Looks to me like you are doing fine.

TopCoog Wrote:Four would be too many but if he did expand he wouldn't touch most of those markets.
He would go first and quickly to Orlando. That is the best avilable market out there without leaving the region they want to operate in. Orlando is dynamic, growing and has every demographic you would want. He would have taken them for football only if he could have.
Secondly, he will go to Boston (if he can). That means if UMASS willing to spend the required amount of money to get their programs up to speed. If they say yes they have it. Boston as a counter to the ACC is very important and UMASS can do the job IF they want to.
In my view he won't consider Memphis, Toledo or East Carolina.
Doesn't need them.

Let me see if I get this. You say the Big East would take UCF over Memphis for no other reason than market size. Orlando has a population of 1,644,561 and Memphis has a population of 1,135614. Thats just 500,000 people. We are not talking about a New York City vs. Jackson, Miss debate here. Memphis holds it's own well in any market study.
If the Big East splits, the football playing portion of the league will be looking for competitive football programs that have basketball tradition. Memphis fits the bill on both counts. UCF, on the otherhand is less than competitive against Big East teams, 0-7 all time and their basketball program presently plays in the Atlantic Sun. No way a school that presently celebrates victories over Troy State would EVER jump to the Big East over Memphis.
I believe you will see a greater emphasis placed on basketball at many of the eastern CUSA teams as they all try to position themselves for the Big East split. USM has already raised the level of its program by hiring Coach E and ECU will continue to improve under Coach Herron (spelling?). Watch for Marshall to work feverishly to improve its basketball program as well.
CJ

This has been endlessly hashed over. When does football start?

Points to remember:

1. Tranghese has NO plan for football.

2. Yes. We need a 9th team for football, but who? What the AD's were saying was that they are looking at a team that already plays in the Big East stepping up with football. That means they either think they are adding Notre Dame, or else they think Villanova or St. John's or Georgetown is going to start playing div 1a like UConn did.

3. See #1.

4. See #2: this is part of Tranghese's plan for stall and delay. He has no realistic plan. He got the football schools to stay based on the bogus notion that MT could talk ND into joining for fb. What a laugh. Now he's playing for time with talk of upgrading somebody. Anything. He has no plan. He doesn't care that there are only 7 teams in the conf this year. He doesn't care that there are 8 next year.

5. Memphis? Why don't we add Oklahoma? Why don't we add Southern Cal? I believe that people who keep talking about Memphis and ECU and UAB really just want to recreate a more northerly based CUSA. The problem with CUSA is that is a huge, amorphous blob of a conference with no regional identity. Maybe Southern Miss likes playing UAB, but places like that leave me cold and uninterested. Cincinnati and Louisville are at the extreme western edge of the footprint. The footprint should not get bigger.

6. Whatever.

Bearcat 1984 Wrote:This has been endlessly hashed over. When does football start?

Points to remember:

1. Tranghese has NO plan for football.

2. Yes. We need a 9th team for football, but who? What the AD's were saying was that they are looking at a team that already plays in the Big East stepping up with football. That means they either think they are adding Notre Dame, or else they think Villanova or St. John's or Georgetown is going to start playing div 1a like UConn did.

3. See #1.

4. See #2: this is part of Tranghese's plan for stall and delay. He has no realistic plan. He got the football schools to stay based on the bogus notion that MT could talk ND into joining for fb. What a laugh. Now he's playing for time with talk of upgrading somebody. Anything. He has no plan. He doesn't care that there are only 7 teams in the conf this year. He doesn't care that there are 8 next year.

5. Memphis? Why don't we add Oklahoma? Why don't we add Southern Cal? I believe that people who keep talking about Memphis and ECU and UAB really just want to recreate a more northerly based CUSA. The problem with CUSA is that is a huge, amorphous blob of a conference with no regional identity. Maybe Southern Miss likes playing UAB, but places like that leave me cold and uninterested. Cincinnati and Louisville are at the extreme western edge of the footprint. The footprint should not get bigger.

6. Whatever.

you are right on..... Mike T has no plan.......don't look now but there is " NO" TV deal for BE football/basketball for 2006.....the BE offical were, shocked and dishartened, with the lowball higbinding offer they were tendered by ABC/ESPN, and the less then pathetic compensation offer from the ACC.....whats worse there is little intrest from any other tv network in a BE package deal......now comes the press release that ND will clear its schedule in 08 for the new, perposed 12 game per year 8 home game, format.. you can bet ,all the big schools and conferences will follow that format.....with only 8 football playing members the BE flagship schools will have trouble getting 4-5 home games, they wount stand for it.......if the BE dosn't see it comming and go to 12 all sports teams......WVU,SU,PITT,LOUISVILLE, UCONN, CINCY will take thing into there own hands, or be cherry picked. they know with a lowball, highbinding, tv deal(and thats all there gonna get from ABC/ESPN) the only way to overcome the shortfall in tv dollars is the 8-9 home games a 12-13 game season 12+ team conference affords....... Mike T better get a plan and soon

3601 Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:With all due respect 3601 i don't think it will hurt your chances because i think they are nill. The only way Memphis could get is if someone left, ie Pitt etc.

With all due respect, I think you're wrong.

A few years ago they laughed at us when we said we were going to hire Coach Calapari.

Then they laughed at us when we said we were going to try to get an NBA franchise.

Then they laughed at us when we said we were going to try to get the Tyson-Lewis Heavyweight fight in Memphis.

Then they laughted at us when we said that we were going to try to lure Jerry West, the best GM in the NBA, to Memphis.

Don't underestimate the Bluff City.

3601, as a Memphian, I didn't laugh but did doubt that a couple of those could really happen. I don't doubt any longer. This city can pretty much do anything it makes up its mind to get done. In Tommy's words; "not the same [I]same ol, same ol[I]."

"4. See #2: this is part of Tranghese's plan for stall and delay. He has no realistic plan. He got the football schools to stay based on the bogus notion that MT could talk ND into joining for fb. What a laugh. Now he's playing for time with talk of upgrading somebody. Anything. He has no plan. He doesn't care that there are only 7 teams in the conf this year. He doesn't care that there are 8 next year. "


-- Why all the attacks towards Mikey T.....the man survived what was nothing more then an ambush for money from the ACC....and even after the league lost the best fball program in the country, the seond largest market in the east and the school that has recently produced Michael Vick....he took all of those negatives and rebuilt the league enough to where the football members are happy because they still have the BCS....the bball onlys are happy because this is the best hoops league ever....and ND is happy because the leagus is still together....

-- For a man who has to represent three distinct bodies ( football schools, bball onlys and ND)....from where I'm sitting he has done a hell of a job

-- And for the last time...Mikey T had nothing to do with the league not splitting....those kind of calls are made by the FOOTBALL PRESIDENTS....Mikey T cannot force any school to do anything..if he could...don't you think he would have forced Miami to stay?? The football presidents decided it was in there best interest to stay with the bbally onlys till the end of the decade....those are the facts....I disagree with that descion and you may too...but put the blame where it deserves to go....on the presidents...don't blame the man who just saved our collective football future


Jackson

Quote:5. Memphis? Why don't we add Oklahoma? Why don't we add Southern Cal? I believe that people who keep talking about Memphis and ECU and UAB really just want to recreate a more northerly based CUSA. The problem with CUSA is that is a huge, amorphous blob of a conference with no regional identity. Maybe Southern Miss likes playing UAB, but places like that leave me cold and uninterested. Cincinnati and Louisville are at the extreme western edge of the footprint. The footprint should not get bigger.

*cough* South Florida *cough*