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All I know is that tomorrow will be another Sickening Saturday for ETSU alumni, fans, students and community. Another beautiful Saturday and the only university in Tennessee not enjoying football. Goofily there will be nothing to do but toss frisbees. How bad can it get?[/i]
09-14-2012 07:54 PM
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Tomorrow sister TBR school Tenn Tech plays at Oregon. Great trip. Great publicity. Great pay check. Does not matter what the score is. It will be great for the school. Meanwhile the athletic administration at ETSU will be watching pay per view tennis because they have nothing else to do. I hope they enjoy watching the tennis. And I hope this is the last year of this garbage.
09-14-2012 09:46 PM
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(09-14-2012 07:54 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  All I know is that tomorrow will be another Sickening Saturday for ETSU alumni, fans, students and community. Another beautiful Saturday and the only university in Tennessee not enjoying football. Goofily there will be nothing to do but toss frisbees. How bad can it get?[/i]

As freshmen enrollment declines!
09-15-2012 09:38 AM
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(09-15-2012 09:38 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(09-14-2012 07:54 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  All I know is that tomorrow will be another Sickening Saturday for ETSU alumni, fans, students and community. Another beautiful Saturday and the only university in Tennessee not enjoying football. Goofily there will be nothing to do but toss frisbees. How bad can it get?[/i]

As freshmen enrollment declines!

Sorry enrollment has increased way way to much since football was dropped to suddenly blame a slight dip in enrollment this many years later on not having football.

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09-15-2012 10:34 AM
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ETSU would do well to develop a forward looking plan to increase the freshmen application pool. Sounds as if Dr. Noland is really concerned with retention, and rightfully so. A larger application pool could help with retention due to an accompanying increase in admissions and selection standards. The question being, how does ETSU make itself more attractive to high school seniors and, thus, attract more applicants? How can ETSU move into a different category of choice among freshmen applicants by becoming their first choice or higher choice destination school? Could a more visible, more attractive, more student body friendly athletic program help with this?
09-15-2012 11:07 AM
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(09-15-2012 11:07 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  ETSU would do well to develop a forward looking plan to increase the freshmen application pool. Sounds as if Dr. Noland is really concerned with retention, and rightfully so. A larger application pool could help with retention due to an accompanying increase in admissions and selection standards. The question being, how does ETSU make itself more attractive to high school seniors and, thus, attract more applicants? How can ETSU move into a different category of choice among freshmen applicants by becoming their first choice or higher choice destination school? Could a more visible, more attractive, more student body friendly athletic program help with this?

TBR compensates schools now based on students who complete...graduate. You could have a hundred thousand students...but if they don't complete...no financial reward from the state. Retention is a big part of being a finisher.
09-15-2012 11:27 AM
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But greater community interest would be a positive for ETSU. The profile would be increased. Support would be increased. Donations would increase. Student and alumni involvement would increase if they were giving something to support. If it also increases freshmen enrollment and thereby raises standards and retention then it would be a win/win/win for ETSU and the community. It is what all the other schools in Tennessee are doing and it is working. What we currently are doing at ETSU is not working but we have a president now that can change things.
09-15-2012 03:46 PM
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(09-14-2012 07:54 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  All I know is that tomorrow will be another Sickening Saturday for ETSU alumni, fans, students and community. Another beautiful Saturday and the only university in Tennessee not enjoying football. Goofily there will be nothing to do but toss frisbees. How bad can it get?[/i]
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Watch the video!!! Attendance = 14,000+

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09-16-2012 12:57 AM
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I just ran across this 1994 writing on the Los Angeles Times website http://articles.latimes.com/1994-12-17/s...l-expenses. Nearly a decade before ETSU did it, others were experiencing the pain of idiotic decision making at their universities. Obviously, the designers of the Stanton/Mullins model (Stanton and Mullins) have never read the L.A. Times.



Dropping Football Would Be a Mistake
December 17, 1994

With the continuing state budget crunch, it has been suggested that many of the Cal State universities drop football as a cost-cutting measure. Long Beach State and Cal State Fullerton have dropped football to join only a half-dozen large universities without it. Now Northridge and Sacramento are considering this move.

This is a bad idea. A school's football program cannot simply be measured by accounting principles. To the equation must be added a school's reputation, student spirit, community involvement, alumni relations, and opportunities for the high school athletes of the region.

I don't think any state university can be deemed a major, comprehensive university without a football program. Obviously, every university president in America agrees with me--except for the half dozen.

Cal State Fullerton made a big mistake. The small savings in eliminated football expenses have not made CSUF a better place. The athletic department is not better off financially and still operates on a shoestring budget. The administration fails to acknowledge the benefits a top-flight athletic program could bring to the university and the region.

Here in bankrupt Orange County, Cal State Fullerton sits as a dormant giant rather than trying to tap the awesome potential of the region. No tool can accomplish this better than Division I football. It's shameful that no effort is made.
09-23-2012 12:55 AM
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(09-15-2012 03:46 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  But greater community interest would be a positive for ETSU. The profile would be increased. Support would be increased. Donations would increase. Student and alumni involvement would increase if they were giving something to support. If it also increases freshmen enrollment and thereby raises standards and retention then it would be a win/win/win for ETSU and the community. It is what all the other schools in Tennessee are doing and it is working. What we currently are doing at ETSU is not working but we have a president now that can change things.

Everything you say here would be a huge positive, if it were certain to be true. However you say all of these things WOULD happen with football, yet they didn't actually happen with football. To just assume all of these things would happen with the addition of football is naive and wishful thinking. They are all things that certainly CAN happen with the addition of football, but they are far from guaranteed. That's why football should be added back, but only with the proper support. This is why ideas like playing in the Dome and adding football without increasing the athletic budget are foolish.
09-23-2012 05:36 PM
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(09-23-2012 05:36 PM)LetsgoBucs Wrote:  
(09-15-2012 03:46 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  But greater community interest would be a positive for ETSU. The profile would be increased. Support would be increased. Donations would increase. Student and alumni involvement would increase if they were giving something to support. If it also increases freshmen enrollment and thereby raises standards and retention then it would be a win/win/win for ETSU and the community. It is what all the other schools in Tennessee are doing and it is working. What we currently are doing at ETSU is not working but we have a president now that can change things.

Everything you say here would be a huge positive, if it were certain to be true. However you say all of these things WOULD happen with football, yet they didn't actually happen with football. To just assume all of these things would happen with the addition of football is naive and wishful thinking. They are all things that certainly CAN happen with the addition of football, but they are far from guaranteed. That's why football should be added back, but only with the proper support. This is why ideas like playing in the Dome and adding football without increasing the athletic budget are foolish.

Yes we need to do it right. But i tcan only help ETSU to mainstream with the other public universities in Tennessee. All other regional schools are offering opportunities to students and community that we have not offered in nine years. With the experience of the last nine years everybody will be on board about doing it right and supporting it. It can only help and enhance ETSU.
09-23-2012 06:59 PM
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It ain't Alabama, but it's college football (below). As has been pointed out numerous times before, so many at various levels are adding football. There's something special about having a football team on your campus at more and more schools.



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10-08-2012 10:32 AM
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I'm pretty sure an ETSU alum is Maryville's head coach.
10-08-2012 12:35 PM
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In thinking of these schools that are adding football, it has occurred to me that my perception of two schools that I'm familiar with has changed. Take small Berry College in Rome, Georgia. It is an excellent academic school on a beautiful campus. Having been there on numerous occasions, I now perceive it as an even more attractive place, a more appealing place, a more complete small undergraduate focused institution. Take UNC-Charlotte, a large and growing regional university. Have been driving by that emerging campus on Hwy 49 for over thirty years now. Always wondered if football would come when ETSU was playing the game. Now that it has, my perception of it as just another convenient commuter school has shifted. Even with its basketball history, the addition of football has me viewing it as more attractive, more complete, more appealing, a first rate place now. My new perception would have me mentioning these schools more often to perspective students given the opportunity. I must not be the only one feeling this about UNCC since they have over 500 more freshmen this fall and the "nice problem" of housing them.

Just have a better feel, a better vibe for these two familiar schools that have
added football -- and I have no stake at either place. The people at these schools,
the people associated with these schools must really have the feel if an outsider
can even feel some of it.

I hope our athletics committee will do some exploring of this phenomena sweeping across many college campuses today.
10-08-2012 08:44 PM
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