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RE: Where's Football
Kennesaw has NO plans of being non-scholarship. It doesn't make sense from a cost perspective to even fund it as a non-scholly program. I don't think Campbell or GWU would have stayed regardless. Football travel is football travel, but its the other sports CU & GWU moved away from the ASun and to the Big South.

Also, I'll be honestly shocked if you see Mercer add scholarship football anytime in the near future (10 years). Why if you plan on going scholarship wouldn't you do it from the start when interest is SUPER high and your team isn't starting out its history 1-10, 2-9, 3-8 because trust me that is whats happening? Plus the finiancial hit Mercer takes from just adding the 65 schollies would be TREMENDOUS. Right now Mercer will see about $4 million in funds just from fielding 100 players at a non-scholarship level. Thats before it sales the first ticket, promotion or hot dog. If you add 65 scholarships that is an immediate loss of $2.6 MILLION dollars. You go from netting $4 million dollars a year in tuition money to a tuition LOSS of at least $1.2 million. Thats a swing of over $5 million bucks in tuition alone. If you want, I can show you the breakdown, but thats the math of the situation.
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RE: Where's Football
I'm familiar with the math.

All I'm saying is that if I'm the A-Sun, I need to do something proactive to keep my members and attract new ones that aren't from Division II.

I don't know the internal dealings of the Campbell athletic department. However, it doesn't look good for the conference that once the program appears to be going places with new venues and the like they bolt the A-Sun for the Big South. The Camels aren't scholarship right now, so doesn't my concept of a non-scholarship conference at least merit some consideration to stay in the conference they've been in for some time?

I think of the benefits here. Maybe KSU would say "Thanks but no thanks, we want to go scholarship." Or maybe a President would see the benefits of possibly scheduling Ivy League schools on a football schedule and think that would be far more prestigious to a suburban Atlanta audience than playing the likes of Chattanooga and Elon.

That said, yes, I would like to see ETSU go scholarship, if they ever wish to restore their program. Heck, I want to see ETSU not only go scholarship but beat Notre Dame when they do. That's my dream.

I'm thinking more from an A-Sun perspective than an ETSU perspective here. But wouldn't having as many options as possible be a benefit for ETSU?
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RE: Where's Football
Well I agree, options would be great. They would help everyone in this league, but I am just saying the opportunity to travel, softball, baseball, basketballs, etc. closer was more than likely the determining factor for CU/GWU. Who was CU's closest rival in the ASun for all sports? USC Upstate? ETSU? That is five hours plus. The furthest now is Charleston, SC and that is five hours. Shorter bus rides and more day trips save alot of money from my perspective especially at a level where even football wouldn't matter.
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RE: Where's Football
That's fair, and that might be the impetus for an ETSU move to the Big South as well.
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(06-07-2012 03:19 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  That's fair, and that might be the impetus for an ETSU move to the Big South as well.

Afther 9 long years in the ASUN, a move to the Big South would be anti-climactic at best.
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(06-07-2012 09:16 PM)abuc90 Wrote:  
(06-07-2012 03:19 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  That's fair, and that might be the impetus for an ETSU move to the Big South as well.

Afther 9 long years in the ASUN, a move to the Big South would be anti-climactic at best.

It wouldn't be anti-climactic for the budget. That would be another $500k to $750k that gets freed up from travel for other things. That could go a long way towards, I dunno, football coaching staff salaries or football scholarships? 05-stirthepot
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RE: Where's Football
The reason to move to the Big South would be if they want to start a football team.
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RE: Where's Football
UNF must have their own "Jerry Robertson": UNFfootball.com

http://unffootball.com/


Here's a football feasability report from about 18 months ago: FGCU

http://www.fgcu.edu/president/files/FGCU...011511.pdf
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08-28-2012 01:22 AM
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RE: Where's Football
Is the return of football in the next ten years or so on the mat entering the eighth count?
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(08-28-2012 08:16 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  Is the return of football in the next ten years or so on the mat entering the eighth count?

I think it all depends on how quickly we can get rid of the tennis coach as athletic director. We will keep pouring all the money into the minor sports as long as he is there and that is a proven fact. Bring in a professional athletic director from a real school and things could happen pretty fast as there are funds in the current budget for FCS football if allocated properly. We so need to give Fall semester back to the students, fans and alumni!
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It's not about Mullins. He does as he is told. This is an executive decision...and the executive is still gathering information to formulate a plan that wins. PTL ETSU has an ambitious president. From what I've seen, he will take ETSU to new heights none of us could imagine. I'm looking forward to it. I speculate there is work going on behind the scenes to set the stage to grow ETSU for the region. The best example is when he took a Tennessee hat off a fan and gave them a Buc hat. Soon you will see a new spirit. It takes time to pull this off. When it happens, I will be grateful for Noland's measured approach. He has been careful to please the power structure including Stanton who is well thought of by many people including legislators. Hang on tight...Noland is going to take ETSU on a wonderful ride. He is traveling everywhere working like a wild man to set the stage. He loves athletics...he wants ETSU to be a player. In time the plan will be revealed. Noland won't do it halfway...he's not satisfied with returning to the dome...Who knows, he may make Bristol Motor Speedway the Bucs home field filling it up 160-thousand Buc fans who then can tell Tennessee to pay if they want to play at BMS! That would make the shoe change to the other foot!

A key is changing the downward spiral...to get basketball attendance back to where it should be...sellouts. Oh how I wish the days of Robinson LeForce 10K plus would happen again forcing thinkers to expand their thoughts on capacity of a new arena. Go Bucs. The excitement will return. It will make the days of Buc fans taking over Asheville look small time. Hang on...this is going to be fun!
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(08-28-2012 10:11 AM)Mister Jennings Wrote:  It's not about Mullins. He does as he is told. This is an executive decision...and the executive is still gathering information to formulate a plan that wins. PTL ETSU has an ambitious president. From what I've seen, he will take ETSU to new heights none of us could imagine. I'm looking forward to it. I speculate there is work going on behind the scenes to set the stage to grow ETSU for the region. The best example is when he took a Tennessee hat off a fan and gave them a Buc hat. Soon you will see a new spirit. It takes time to pull this off. When it happens, I will be grateful for Noland's measured approach. He has been careful to please the power structure including Stanton who is well thought of by many people including legislators. Hang on tight...Noland is going to take ETSU on a wonderful ride. He is traveling everywhere working like a wild man to set the stage. He loves athletics...he wants ETSU to be a player. In time the plan will be revealed. Noland won't do it halfway...he's not satisfied with returning to the dome...Who knows, he may make Bristol Motor Speedway the Bucs home field filling it up 160-thousand Buc fans who then can tell Tennessee to pay if they want to play at BMS! That would make the shoe change to the other foot!

A key is changing the downward spiral...to get basketball attendance back to where it should be...sellouts. Oh how I wish the days of Robinson LeForce 10K plus would happen again forcing thinkers to expand their thoughts on capacity of a new arena. Go Bucs. The excitement will return. It will make the days of Buc fans taking over Asheville look small time. Hang on...this is going to be fun!

This is our hope! I am totally impressed with Dr. Noland. He has the ability and energy to bring ETSU where it needs to be as the regional state university of the area. I would have to think he is greatly disappointed in the very small footprint of ETSU athletics currently, especially in the Fall where they are invisible. My problem would be is if Mullins was given the command to re-do the department and organize FCS level football that he would not have a clue as to how to do it. He has been used to watching tennis and waiting for the minor sports to play out their seasons in the Fall. Can the current athletic department handle real marketing and selling tickets? Managing parking and buses in and out of campus? Tailgating. Getting larger crowds on campus? Do they even want crowds on campus? Seems like we need people who can run a real state university athletic department instead of caretaking.
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RE: Where's Football
Mullins only has experience administering a declining department. Sure, a few little venues have been half built in his ten years. My guess is that most of the funding for these have come from student fees and institutional support because there is no evidence to be found that Mullins has raised a dime of the $81 million athletic capital campaign (Pathway to Excellence) that was announced almost immediately after football was dropped. By the way, why is he not held accountable for this gross failure and the stark incompetence?

Mullins and his department have been on a gravy train for the past ten years and have had the pie jobs of all the NCAA DI schools. There's no way that Noland does not see the amount of money flowing through there for the work output derived.

Can Mullins be the leader of a growing, changing, FCS football department? if there's anyone on here or anyone anywhere who thinks he can, I would really like to read your argument.
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JC Press opinion article on ETSU football:

http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Opinion/...?id=102013
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RE: Where's Football
Bristol Herald commentator Tim Hayes spent half of his article today talking about the lack of Buc football. First part of article is about Bluefield returning football this season.

(08-28-2012 10:11 PM)BucSinceTheSixties Wrote:  JC Press opinion article on ETSU football:

http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Opinion/...?id=102013
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(08-29-2012 07:11 AM)seagrove10 Wrote:  Bristol Herald commentator Tim Hayes spent half of his article today talking about the lack of Buc football. First part of article is about Bluefield returning football this season.

(08-28-2012 10:11 PM)BucSinceTheSixties Wrote:  JC Press opinion article on ETSU football:

http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Opinion/...?id=102013

Can you post the Bristol Herald article?
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(08-29-2012 12:29 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 07:11 AM)seagrove10 Wrote:  Bristol Herald commentator Tim Hayes spent half of his article today talking about the lack of Buc football. First part of article is about Bluefield returning football this season.

(08-28-2012 10:11 PM)BucSinceTheSixties Wrote:  JC Press opinion article on ETSU football:

http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Opinion/...?id=102013

Can you post the Bristol Herald article?


http://www2.tricities.com/sports/2012/au...r-2155502/
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"Don't count on it" -- the real conclusion of this writer. This is the real attitude of many in the Tri-Cities. ETSU athletics is an embedded loser in their subconscious perceptions. There can be no outrage because there's few passing thoughts on the state of ETSU athletics. ETSU, when it comes to athletics, is not on their radar. The school has reached almost total irrelevancy in athletics. Many tend to view ETSU as a school apart from other schools when it comes to athletics. ETSU is just different. At any other school, pride week would use athletics as the vehicle for celebration. Not at ETSU, there is a unique disconnect between Blue & Gold Pride and athletics. When president Noland ended his state of the university address with "Go Bucs", probably many in the room were perplexed. It seems as if athletics has been brainwashed out of the minds of many alumni, students, staff, townspeople, sports writers, et al. When they hear ETSU, athletics is not in the equation, not something that connects them to the school. They're unable to even wonder about ETSU athletics. So why would the return of Buc football be on anyone's mind during college football season?


http://www2.tricities.com/sports/2012/au...r-2155502/
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I thought it was an excellent. Embarrassing but Mr. Hayes told it the way it is. How can the largest school between Knoxville and Blacksburg not have football? A question we think Dr. Noland will answer and it will not be too soon to become a state university again. Thank you Mr. Hayes.
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(08-28-2012 02:55 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  Mullins and his department have been on a gravy train for the past ten years and have had the pie jobs of all the NCAA DI schools. There's no way that Noland does not see the amount of money flowing through there for the work output derived.

I'm not going to defend Mullins' ability to lead at all, but to even suggest that ETSU athletics jobs are the "pie jobs of all the NCAA DI schools" is flat out ignorant. Look up the salaries. They are at the bottom third of DI easily. The head coaches do okay, but assistants get paid a pittance and the administrative staff is the same. Mullins really doesn't make that much for an AD at a DI (whether he earns it or not is not the issue). If the jobs were so good, people would stay. They don't. ETSU is a stepping stone, because the salaries are too low to make it a long term deal for most of the staff.
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