(04-17-2012 12:40 AM)exflash Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 11:12 PM)David Krumudgen Wrote:  I get the large market concept but:

FIU does not deliver Miami, The U does.

UNT does not deliver Dallas/ Ft worth SMU and TCU does

MTSU does not deliver Nashville Vandy does.

La Tech ? What Market ?

If I were CUSA I would not merge with MWC

I would add not because of markets but because of good programs, potential, and fits the footprint those schools would be.

MTSU, WKU, ASU, FIU, UNT

And of course the same old question---Why not the Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns???????

C'mon boom, the MergAlliance is fool's gold. Ask the ECU people they know how much it sucks.

The odd logic of CUSA
http://www.arkst.com/?p=1710

(04-17-2012 06:19 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 12:40 AM)exflash Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 11:12 PM)David Krumudgen Wrote:  I get the large market concept but:

FIU does not deliver Miami, The U does.

UNT does not deliver Dallas/ Ft worth SMU and TCU does

MTSU does not deliver Nashville Vandy does.

La Tech ? What Market ?

If I were CUSA I would not merge with MWC

I would add not because of markets but because of good programs, potential, and fits the footprint those schools would be.

MTSU, WKU, ASU, FIU, UNT

And of course the same old question---Why not the Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns???????

People outside of Louisiana consider all of South Louisiana to be the property of LSU. Tech faces the same problem with that same perception of North Louisiana, just not as bad. The fact that LSU has been on such an incredible roll doesn't help either of us in that regard.

Public perception outside and inside of Louisiana is that LSU rules the entire state. Tech has about as much market penetration into Louisiana as ULM and ULL. This state is LSU country, with Tulane a distant second.

(04-17-2012 08:16 AM)panama Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:23 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 06:42 AM)panama Wrote:  Really? We're on THIS a year after this has been explained 1 million times? We still have to explain the Alliance and markets?

I HATE THE OFFSEASON!!!!

Your problem is that nobody really buys the explanation.

Because they didnt do well in math. Atlanta Metro has 6 million people. 1% of that is 60k people. If only 1 to 3 percent of a large market are watching its more than the total population of a small market if 100% are watching. There is a method to the madness. Its just that small market schools dislike the implication that lies therein.

No I get that part of it. The part I don't get and what pisses me off to no end is that only certain schools are given credit for having any drawing power outside of the arbitrary lines of their TV market. According to our DMA we get credit for nothing to the west of the Pitt County line. Anything further west than 10 miles of campus according to our DMA doesn't give a crap and we get no value from them. That's borderline retarded thinking. There are 2 eastern NC cities that are huge ECU towns, Rocky Mount and Wilson, that are both closer to Greenville than Raleigh, but because of how the lines are drawn don't fall in our DMA. If we were given credit just for those 2 cities our market goes from #99 to around #75, and that's still not even reflecting our appeal in other parts of the state. I love your 1-3% argument, when we certainly draw that or better in every large market in the state. I've lived my entire life in Raleigh and Wilmington and each of those places we do much better than 1-3%.

(04-17-2012 12:40 AM)exflash Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 11:12 PM)David Krumudgen Wrote:  I get the large market concept but:

FIU does not deliver Miami, The U does.

UNT does not deliver Dallas/ Ft worth SMU and TCU does

MTSU does not deliver Nashville Vandy does.

La Tech ? What Market ?

If I were CUSA I would not merge with MWC

I would add not because of markets but because of good programs, potential, and fits the footprint those schools would be.

MTSU, WKU, ASU, FIU, UNT

And of course the same old question---Why not the Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns???????

(04-17-2012 11:12 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 08:16 AM)panama Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:23 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 06:42 AM)panama Wrote:  Really? We're on THIS a year after this has been explained 1 million times? We still have to explain the Alliance and markets?

I HATE THE OFFSEASON!!!!

Your problem is that nobody really buys the explanation.

Because they didnt do well in math. Atlanta Metro has 6 million people. 1% of that is 60k people. If only 1 to 3 percent of a large market are watching its more than the total population of a small market if 100% are watching. There is a method to the madness. Its just that small market schools dislike the implication that lies therein.

No I get that part of it. The part I don't get and what pisses me off to no end is that only certain schools are given credit for having any drawing power outside of the arbitrary lines of their TV market. According to our DMA we get credit for nothing to the west of the Pitt County line. Anything further west than 10 miles of campus according to our DMA doesn't give a crap and we get no value from them. That's borderline retarded thinking. There are 2 eastern NC cities that are huge ECU towns, Rocky Mount and Wilson, that are both closer to Greenville than Raleigh, but because of how the lines are drawn don't fall in our DMA. If we were given credit just for those 2 cities our market goes from #99 to around #75, and that's still not even reflecting our appeal in other parts of the state. I love your 1-3% argument, when we certainly draw that or better in every large market in the state. I've lived my entire life in Raleigh and Wilmington and each of those places we do much better than 1-3%.

The TV markets are crazy. I can take you to a spot in Jackson County, Arkansas and you will see 500 meter TV tower just a few miles down the road. That tower belongs to the ABC affiliate in Jonesboro and the PBS affiliate shares space on it. The spot where you would be standing is part of the Little Rock television market even though the nearest Little Rock transmitter is 95 miles away. The Jonesboro station covers local news and sports from the community, Little Rock does not.

30 miles southeast of there you will go into the county seat of a county that is 60 miles away from the nearest Memphis transmitter but the town is part of the Memphis TV market, even though the #1 station in the county according to the ratings is in Jonesboro. The Jonesboro station covers the local sports teams and news, Memphis does not.

Go east, northeast of the transmitter you will arrive in Blytheville. Again the Jonesboro station regularly shows up for the local sports teams and local news and Memphis does not. It is 15 miles closer to Jonesboro than Memphis but it is part of the Memphis market.

Due north of there is a county in Missouri that is part of the Memphis TV market but again, the local TV coverage comes from the closer TV station in Jonesboro.

Even with those four counties, it's still a small TV market, but it is rated 155-165 instead of 181.

(04-17-2012 11:12 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 08:16 AM)panama Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:23 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 06:42 AM)panama Wrote:  Really? We're on THIS a year after this has been explained 1 million times? We still have to explain the Alliance and markets?

I HATE THE OFFSEASON!!!!

Your problem is that nobody really buys the explanation.

Because they didnt do well in math. Atlanta Metro has 6 million people. 1% of that is 60k people. If only 1 to 3 percent of a large market are watching its more than the total population of a small market if 100% are watching. There is a method to the madness. Its just that small market schools dislike the implication that lies therein.

No I get that part of it. The part I don't get and what pisses me off to no end is that only certain schools are given credit for having any drawing power outside of the arbitrary lines of their TV market. According to our DMA we get credit for nothing to the west of the Pitt County line. Anything further west than 10 miles of campus according to our DMA doesn't give a crap and we get no value from them. That's borderline retarded thinking. There are 2 eastern NC cities that are huge ECU towns, Rocky Mount and Wilson, that are both closer to Greenville than Raleigh, but because of how the lines are drawn don't fall in our DMA. If we were given credit just for those 2 cities our market goes from #99 to around #75, and that's still not even reflecting our appeal in other parts of the state. I love your 1-3% argument, when we certainly draw that or better in every large market in the state. I've lived my entire life in Raleigh and Wilmington and each of those places we do much better than 1-3%.

I think you guys are a specific case in that the Big East was never going to take you. Heck, WVU never fit in the Big East so there was no way they were going to take a Southern football first school. Your day will come in the Big 12

(04-17-2012 11:50 AM)panama Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 11:12 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 08:16 AM)panama Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:23 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 06:42 AM)panama Wrote:  Really? We're on THIS a year after this has been explained 1 million times? We still have to explain the Alliance and markets?

I HATE THE OFFSEASON!!!!

Your problem is that nobody really buys the explanation.

Because they didnt do well in math. Atlanta Metro has 6 million people. 1% of that is 60k people. If only 1 to 3 percent of a large market are watching its more than the total population of a small market if 100% are watching. There is a method to the madness. Its just that small market schools dislike the implication that lies therein.

No I get that part of it. The part I don't get and what pisses me off to no end is that only certain schools are given credit for having any drawing power outside of the arbitrary lines of their TV market. According to our DMA we get credit for nothing to the west of the Pitt County line. Anything further west than 10 miles of campus according to our DMA doesn't give a crap and we get no value from them. That's borderline retarded thinking. There are 2 eastern NC cities that are huge ECU towns, Rocky Mount and Wilson, that are both closer to Greenville than Raleigh, but because of how the lines are drawn don't fall in our DMA. If we were given credit just for those 2 cities our market goes from #99 to around #75, and that's still not even reflecting our appeal in other parts of the state. I love your 1-3% argument, when we certainly draw that or better in every large market in the state. I've lived my entire life in Raleigh and Wilmington and each of those places we do much better than 1-3%.

I think you guys are a specific case in that the Big East was never going to take you. Heck, WVU never fit in the Big East so there was no way they were going to take a Southern football first school. Your day will come in the Big 12

I don't disagree with you about the BE never taking us, but I struggle to think the B12 is. I don't think WVU is going to push for us that hard, and I don't see who else is that league is going to bat for us.

Winning cures all ills

Actually WVU did fit in the BE when before the first ACC raid. It contained most of it's traditional rivals. First BC & VT and to a certain extent Miami left. This last take took the two remaining be rivals: Pitt and Cuse. Nothing to stay for. The other schools just were not long time traditional rivals.

(04-17-2012 11:56 AM)panama Wrote:  Winning cures all ills

Except market size. At least according to most GaState fans.

(04-17-2012 12:00 PM)RidgeRunner Wrote:  Actually WVU did fit in the BE when before the first ACC raid. It contained most of it's traditional rivals. First BC & VT and to a certain extent Miami left. This last take took the two remaining be rivals: Pitt and Cuse. Nothing to stay for. The other schools just were not long time traditional rivals.

Nor a cultural fit. There is a difference between football first schools/states and basketball schools that also play some football. See CAA.

(04-17-2012 12:58 AM)RustonCAT Wrote:  The sleeper is in ark st and FIU. These 2 schools are class of sunbelt! Ark st hired Gus Malzahn as HC and is On the rise. Ark st also keeps CUSA in Memphis market..also picks up arkansas as a new state in the conference..FIu big, giant market. Decent football.horrible basketball..bigg school

With all due respect to my Red Wolf friends, lets pump the brakes on the Arkansas State is the class of the Sun Belt talk. They had a very good season last year and hired what will presumably be a very good coach, but it's one season. They'll probably be very good this year too, but they've got a ways to go before they are the "class of the Sun Belt", UNT was pretty much unbeatable for four years and they fell by the wayside, Troy was nearly unbeatable for five years and now they're looking to bounce back from a terrible season.

(04-17-2012 10:21 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 06:19 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 12:40 AM)exflash Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 11:12 PM)David Krumudgen Wrote:  I get the large market concept but:

FIU does not deliver Miami, The U does.

UNT does not deliver Dallas/ Ft worth SMU and TCU does

MTSU does not deliver Nashville Vandy does.

La Tech ? What Market ?

If I were CUSA I would not merge with MWC

I would add not because of markets but because of good programs, potential, and fits the footprint those schools would be.

MTSU, WKU, ASU, FIU, UNT

And of course the same old question---Why not the Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns???????

People outside of Louisiana consider all of South Louisiana to be the property of LSU. Tech faces the same problem with that same perception of North Louisiana, just not as bad. The fact that LSU has been on such an incredible roll doesn't help either of us in that regard.

Public perception outside and inside of Louisiana is that LSU rules the entire state. Tech has about as much market penetration into Louisiana as ULM and ULL. This state is LSU country, with Tulane a distant second.

Is there a metric you're using to make that claim about Tulane? There's no question that lsuseless has a stranglehold on fan support in this state, but do you realllllllly think Tulane is #2? I haven't seen any polls of "who do you like second?" or any of that...but watching Monroe AND Shreveport TV, I've seen ZILCH on Tulane up here.

Do you honestly think ULM has equal Market Penetration to Tech and UL-Lafayette?

Attendance numbers would disagree with that "Tulane is #2" statement. That's even with Tulane using "creative" attendance counting practices(1=50, rinse & repeat). Tech uses blue tarps to disguise empty seats, and ULM shows episodes of Duck Dynasty on the jumbotron to try to get people out to Malone Stadium. There is a #2 team in attendance in the state of Louisiana...it's not in New Orleans, it's not in Ruston, and it sure as **** isn't in Monroe.

(04-18-2012 09:39 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  Attendance numbers would disagree with that "Tulane is #2" statement. That's even with Tulane using "creative" attendance counting practices(1=50, rinse & repeat). Tech uses blue tarps to disguise empty seats, and ULM shows episodes of Duck Dynasty on the jumbotron to try to get people out to Malone Stadium. There is a #2 team in attendance in the state of Louisiana...it's not in New Orleans, it's not in Ruston, and it sure as **** isn't in Monroe.

I will always hate your school after watching Jake Delhomme throw 4 INT's against the Cardinals in the 08 playoffs.

(04-18-2012 03:12 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 09:39 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  Attendance numbers would disagree with that "Tulane is #2" statement. That's even with Tulane using "creative" attendance counting practices(1=50, rinse & repeat). Tech uses blue tarps to disguise empty seats, and ULM shows episodes of Duck Dynasty on the jumbotron to try to get people out to Malone Stadium. There is a #2 team in attendance in the state of Louisiana...it's not in New Orleans, it's not in Ruston, and it sure as **** isn't in Monroe.

I will always hate your school after watching Jake Delhomme throw 4 INT's against the Cardinals in the 08 playoffs.

Disappointing, I know, but how about a little love for taking the Panthers to their only Super Bowl?

(04-18-2012 09:39 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  Attendance numbers would disagree with that "Tulane is #2" statement. That's even with Tulane using "creative" attendance counting practices(1=50, rinse & repeat). Tech uses blue tarps to disguise empty seats, and ULM shows episodes of Duck Dynasty on the jumbotron to try to get people out to Malone Stadium. There is a #2 team in attendance in the state of Louisiana...it's not in New Orleans, it's not in Ruston, and it sure as **** isn't in Monroe.

The emerging Louisiana football program and the Cajun attendance figures are the elephants in the room that everybody discussing realignment pretends not to notice and hopes will just go away.

It makes me laugh.

(04-18-2012 03:19 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 03:12 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 09:39 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  Attendance numbers would disagree with that "Tulane is #2" statement. That's even with Tulane using "creative" attendance counting practices(1=50, rinse & repeat). Tech uses blue tarps to disguise empty seats, and ULM shows episodes of Duck Dynasty on the jumbotron to try to get people out to Malone Stadium. There is a #2 team in attendance in the state of Louisiana...it's not in New Orleans, it's not in Ruston, and it sure as **** isn't in Monroe.

I will always hate your school after watching Jake Delhomme throw 4 INT's against the Cardinals in the 08 playoffs.

Disappointing, I know, but how about a little love for taking the Panthers to their only Super Bowl?

I didn't spend $200 on nose bleed seats for a playoff game that year.

That was an awesome year though and I'll give Delhomme a good bit of credit for that year. The Panthers played in like 5 OTs in the regular season, had several come from behind victories, played the longest playoff game in history, and gave the Patriots all they could handle in the SB.

I can't imagine I'll ever experience another season with that kind of excitement, even if we make it back to and win the Superbowl.

Cam Newton surely has me excited though.

(04-18-2012 03:38 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 09:39 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  Attendance numbers would disagree with that "Tulane is #2" statement. That's even with Tulane using "creative" attendance counting practices(1=50, rinse & repeat). Tech uses blue tarps to disguise empty seats, and ULM shows episodes of Duck Dynasty on the jumbotron to try to get people out to Malone Stadium. There is a #2 team in attendance in the state of Louisiana...it's not in New Orleans, it's not in Ruston, and it sure as **** isn't in Monroe.

The emerging Louisiana football program and the Cajun attendance figures are the elephants in the room that everybody discussing realignment pretends not to notice and hopes will just go away.

It makes me laugh.

People discussing realignment and ignoring UL-L shouldn't concern you. I don't see what you find funny about it, but if laughing about it makes you feel better, then I understand. You should, however, be concerned by the fact that the commissioners of the MWC and CUSA are ignoring UL-L. This fact indicates just how bad the conference situation is for you guys. UNT and FIU will be leaving for CUSA. MT could join them soon. UL-L isn't going anywhere. I don't think you'll be laughing much in a year or two.