(04-17-2012 10:31 PM)bronconick Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 09:55 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 09:27 AM)bronconick Wrote:  I wouldn't require baseball in the MAC. Northern baseball is a waste of time under current NCAA rules.

So is golf, but somehow Kent State seems to do well in both as does Akron in soccer.

1. Golf and soccer are not treated as a 3rd cash cow by teams in other parts of the country. Baseball is. Meanwhile, Western draws 450 fans to a free baseball game vs. Michigan, for example.

2. Akron's soccer team has to spend 6-8 weeks straight on the road because weather makes it impossible to host matches or even practice at home?

3rd cash cow? Right behind the fortune we all make with football and basketball.

(04-18-2012 05:02 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 10:31 PM)bronconick Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 09:55 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 09:27 AM)bronconick Wrote:  I wouldn't require baseball in the MAC. Northern baseball is a waste of time under current NCAA rules.

So is golf, but somehow Kent State seems to do well in both as does Akron in soccer.

1. Golf and soccer are not treated as a 3rd cash cow by teams in other parts of the country. Baseball is. Meanwhile, Western draws 450 fans to a free baseball game vs. Michigan, for example.

2. Akron's soccer team has to spend 6-8 weeks straight on the road because weather makes it impossible to host matches or even practice at home?

3rd cash cow? Right behind the fortune we all make with football and basketball.

I bolded and underlined the part you apparently were incapable of comprehending. LSU for example, makes more money on baseball than basketball. Most of the major southern powers turn a profit on the sport, as do the California teams, something northern teams cannot do as even Big Ten schools are unable to get home games in February.

Because of those facts, the weather, the decision by the NCAA to make half the season take place while snow normally covers the northern half of the nation and that most baseball talent lies in the south, requiring the sport in the MAC is folly. We would be better served with literally any other sport. Even the Big Ten doesn't require the sport, as Wisconsin doesn't bother with it.

And MLB baseball should pull out of all cities north of the Mason-Dixon line as well. No more Yankees or Red Sox since it's cold. Baseball is going nowhere, and shouldn't. I'm sure if WMU was any decent you'd have a different stance.

The MAC states are a rich baseball region. 2 teams in Ohio, 1 in Michigan, 2 in Illinois, 2 in Pennsylvania, and 1 in New York. Plus Ohio is a good high school baseball state. Only a few teams have hockey, outside of club. I think it's cool, but because only what 3? 5? MAC schools even have it I think baseball is definantly a sport all mens teams should have. We're also about as good as the Big10? Why are we complaining.

(04-18-2012 07:09 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  And MLB baseball should pull out of all cities north of the Mason-Dixon line as well. No more Yankees or Red Sox since it's cold. Baseball is going nowhere, and shouldn't. I'm sure if WMU was any decent you'd have a different stance.

Well let's see all of the massive logical failures you have in this comparison. I'll see if I can find a truck to drive through the holes.

1. MLB starts 6 weeks later and lasts 6 months, eliminating any kind of weather issue for the sport aside from the absurdity of playing the World Series in November a couple years ago and a couple early season rain/snow outs in April that get made up over the summer. If Bud Selig tried telling them they were having opening day on February 18th so they could have the World Series start around Labor Day and hide from the NFL, northern owners would lynch him.

2. The popularity of a professional sport has at best a tertiary influence on the same sport at the college level.

3. The locations of professional teams don't play a major role in the number of kids playing a sport in that area. If that were the case, the Kansas City Royals would have moved to Caracas about 15 years ago.

Here's an article about actual baseball coaches from northern schools griping about it. But by all means, go ahead and keep your head stuck in the sand.

http://www.sj-r.com/sports/x124597743/No...ying-field

(04-19-2012 06:53 AM)bronconick Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 07:09 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  And MLB baseball should pull out of all cities north of the Mason-Dixon line as well. No more Yankees or Red Sox since it's cold. Baseball is going nowhere, and shouldn't. I'm sure if WMU was any decent you'd have a different stance.

Well let's see all of the massive logical failures you have in this comparison. I'll see if I can find a truck to drive through the holes.

1. MLB starts 6 weeks later and lasts 6 months, eliminating any kind of weather issue for the sport aside from the absurdity of playing the World Series in November a couple years ago and a couple early season rain/snow outs in April that get made up over the summer. If Bud Selig tried telling them they were having opening day on February 18th so they could have the World Series start around Labor Day and hide from the NFL, northern owners would lynch him.

2. The popularity of a professional sport has at best a tertiary influence on the same sport at the college level.

3. The locations of professional teams don't play a major role in the number of kids playing a sport in that area. If that were the case, the Kansas City Royals would have moved to Caracas about 15 years ago.

Here's an article about actual baseball coaches from northern schools griping about it. But by all means, go ahead and keep your head stuck in the sand.

http://www.sj-r.com/sports/x124597743/No...ying-field

It's widespread knowledge that Northern teams are at a disadvantage when it comes to college baseball.

It's widespread knowledge that MAC teams are at a disadvantage when it comes to college football and basketball.

Whether is a substantial difference in budgets, or a disadvantage in weather, there are a lot of sports that don't provide an even playing field in college. We have zero chance at winning a national c-ship in baseball or football, and the odds in basketball are slightly greater than zero. Just because the deck is stacked against us, doesn't mean we should fold the sport and call it a day.

Our sports teams still provide opportunities for students that wouldn't necessarily be there if the sport was removed completely.

Is the NCAA completely ignorant regarding how they schedule the baseball season? Yes.

(04-19-2012 08:25 AM)EA3 Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 06:53 AM)bronconick Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 07:09 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  And MLB baseball should pull out of all cities north of the Mason-Dixon line as well. No more Yankees or Red Sox since it's cold. Baseball is going nowhere, and shouldn't. I'm sure if WMU was any decent you'd have a different stance.

Well let's see all of the massive logical failures you have in this comparison. I'll see if I can find a truck to drive through the holes.

1. MLB starts 6 weeks later and lasts 6 months, eliminating any kind of weather issue for the sport aside from the absurdity of playing the World Series in November a couple years ago and a couple early season rain/snow outs in April that get made up over the summer. If Bud Selig tried telling them they were having opening day on February 18th so they could have the World Series start around Labor Day and hide from the NFL, northern owners would lynch him.

2. The popularity of a professional sport has at best a tertiary influence on the same sport at the college level.

3. The locations of professional teams don't play a major role in the number of kids playing a sport in that area. If that were the case, the Kansas City Royals would have moved to Caracas about 15 years ago.

Here's an article about actual baseball coaches from northern schools griping about it. But by all means, go ahead and keep your head stuck in the sand.

http://www.sj-r.com/sports/x124597743/No...ying-field

It's widespread knowledge that Northern teams are at a disadvantage when it comes to college baseball.

It's widespread knowledge that MAC teams are at a disadvantage when it comes to college football and basketball.

Whether is a substantial difference in budgets, or a disadvantage in weather, there are a lot of sports that don't provide an even playing field in college. We have zero chance at winning a national c-ship in baseball or football, and the odds in basketball are slightly greater than zero. Just because the deck is stacked against us, doesn't mean we should fold the sport and call it a day.

Our sports teams still provide opportunities for students that wouldn't necessarily be there if the sport was removed completely.

Is the NCAA completely ignorant regarding how they schedule the baseball season? Yes.

I'm saying the sport should not be a requirement to be part of the MAC. The Big Ten and Big XII don't require their universities to sponsor a baseball team, and Iowa State and Wisconsin dropped their programs for other sports. I'm not saying cut the sport and not replace it. I'm saying if Buffalo wants a hockey team instead of a baseball team, let them. If Western wants a track team (that had individuals win national titles and get just as much opportunity as a baseball player) instead, go for it.