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RE: Bowl Money: ACC trails SEC by $12.5 million/year
(04-05-2012 07:54 PM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  Being outgained by ~$1M/year/team by the SEC in bowl revenue isn't a big deal to me. Potentially being outgained by ~$5M/year/team by every major conference in tv revenue is a huge deal to me.

TRUE. But remember this stuff adds up. Money is money. IMO, the ACC office must address both of these issues. Here are totals, with NCAA Basketball money thrown in as well (something else that has slipped over the last few years):

2011-2012 Revenue, $millions

Conf. NCAA$ BCS$ Bowls TV $ Total
===== ===== ==== ==== ==== =====
Big10 $18.2 28.4 34.7 212. 323.6
Pac12 $16.2 28.4 27.0 250. 321.6
===== ===== ==== ==== ==== =====
S E C $16.2 29.4 38.8 205. 289.4
===== ===== ==== ==== ==== =====
A C C $17.7 28.4 31.7 155. 232.8
Big12 $18.6 22.3 32.8 150. 223.7
===== ===== ==== ==== ==== =====
Big E $27.4 22.3 23.9 42.0 115.6
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RE: Bowl Money: ACC trails SEC by $12.5 million/year
(04-06-2012 04:58 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-05-2012 07:54 PM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  Being outgained by ~$1M/year/team by the SEC in bowl revenue isn't a big deal to me. Potentially being outgained by ~$5M/year/team by every major conference in tv revenue is a huge deal to me.

TRUE. But remember this stuff adds up. Money is money. IMO, the ACC office must address both of these issues. Here are totals, with NCAA Basketball money thrown in as well (something else that has slipped over the last few years):

2011-2012 Revenue, $millions

Conf. NCAA$ BCS$ Bowls TV $ Total
===== ===== ==== ==== ==== =====
Big10 $18.2 28.4 34.7 212. 323.6
Pac12 $16.2 28.4 27.0 250. 321.6
===== ===== ==== ==== ==== =====
S E C $16.2 29.4 38.8 205. 289.4
===== ===== ==== ==== ==== =====
A C C $17.7 28.4 31.7 155. 232.8
Big12 $18.6 22.3 32.8 150. 223.7
===== ===== ==== ==== ==== =====
Big E $27.4 22.3 23.9 42.0 115.6

So the ideal is to get BE bb monies, SEC or even BiG Bowl monies, and a TV contract somewhere around Pac? 04-rock

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RE: Bowl Money: ACC trails SEC by $12.5 million/year
(04-06-2012 07:18 AM)omniorange Wrote:  
(04-06-2012 04:58 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-05-2012 07:54 PM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  Being outgained by ~$1M/year/team by the SEC in bowl revenue isn't a big deal to me. Potentially being outgained by ~$5M/year/team by every major conference in tv revenue is a huge deal to me.
TRUE. But remember this stuff adds up. Money is money. IMO, the ACC office must address both of these issues. Here are totals, with NCAA Basketball money thrown in as well (something else that has slipped over the last few years):

2011-2012 Revenue, $millions

Conf. NCAA$ BCS$ Bowls TV $ Total
===== ===== ==== ==== ==== =====
Big10 $18.2 28.4 34.7 212. 323.6
Pac12 $16.2 28.4 27.0 250. 321.6
===== ===== ==== ==== ==== =====
S E C $16.2 29.4 38.8 205. 289.4
===== ===== ==== ==== ==== =====
A C C $17.7 28.4 31.7 155. 232.8
Big12 $18.6 22.3 32.8 150. 223.7
===== ===== ==== ==== ==== =====
Big E $27.4 22.3 23.9 42.0 115.6

So the ideal is to get BE bb monies, SEC or even BiG Bowl monies, and a TV contract somewhere around Pac? 04-rock

Cheers,
Neil
Wouldn't that be nice? Look, I'm not stupid - the ACC is not going to be tops in all of these categories (maybe not any of them), but I do think the conference needs to close the gap in all 3 areas simultaneously.
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RE: Bowl Money: ACC trails SEC by $12.5 million/year
(04-06-2012 04:58 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-05-2012 07:54 PM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  Being outgained by ~$1M/year/team by the SEC in bowl revenue isn't a big deal to me. Potentially being outgained by ~$5M/year/team by every major conference in tv revenue is a huge deal to me.

TRUE. But remember this stuff adds up. Money is money. IMO, the ACC office must address both of these issues. Here are totals, with NCAA Basketball money thrown in as well (something else that has slipped over the last few years):

2011-2012 Revenue, $millions

Conf. NCAA$ BCS$ Bowls TV $ Total
===== ===== ==== ==== ==== =====
Big10 $18.2 28.4 34.7 212. 323.6
Pac12 $16.2 28.4 27.0 250. 321.6
===== ===== ==== ==== ==== =====
S E C $16.2 29.4 38.8 205. 289.4
===== ===== ==== ==== ==== =====
A C C $17.7 28.4 31.7 155. 232.8
Big12 $18.6 22.3 32.8 150. 223.7
===== ===== ==== ==== ==== =====
Big E $27.4 22.3 23.9 42.0 115.6

Where did you get these numbers? I looked for ACC per team payouts from 2011but the most recent I could find was 2008 I believe. I'm not sure if the ACC just quick releasing these figures or if I just searched poorly.
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RE: Bowl Money: ACC trails SEC by $12.5 million/year
(04-06-2012 06:26 PM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  
(04-06-2012 04:58 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  2011-2012 Revenue, $millions

Conf. NCAA$ BCS$ Bowls TV $ Total
===== ===== ==== ==== ==== =====
Big10 $18.2 28.4 34.7 212. 323.6
Pac12 $16.2 28.4 27.0 250. 321.6
===== ===== ==== ==== ==== =====
S E C $16.2 29.4 38.8 205. 289.4
===== ===== ==== ==== ==== =====
A C C $17.7 28.4 31.7 155. 232.8
Big12 $18.6 22.3 32.8 150. 223.7
===== ===== ==== ==== ==== =====
Big E $27.4 22.3 23.9 42.0 115.6

Where did you get these numbers? I looked for ACC per team payouts from 2011but the most recent I could find was 2008 I believe. I'm not sure if the ACC just quick releasing these figures or if I just searched poorly.

I assume you mean the NCAA Basketball pay-outs? straight from NCAA.ORG
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RE: Bowl Money: ACC trails SEC by $12.5 million/year
No. I mean the money the ACC actually pays out to each member every year, including all sources and after the ACC takes its cut.

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RE: Bowl Money: ACC trails SEC by $12.5 million/year
(04-07-2012 12:42 AM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  No. I mean the money the ACC actually pays out to each member every year, including all sources and after the ACC takes its cut.

Big Ten 2010-2011
SEC 2010-2011
ACC 2005-2006
Big 12 2008-2009

Ah, I gotcha. These numbers are all are just total conference revenue divided by number of teams - I don't have info on how much each conference office takes. (sorry).
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RE: Bowl Money: ACC trails SEC by $12.5 million/year
(04-05-2012 07:54 PM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  Being outgained by ~$1M/year/team by the SEC in bowl revenue isn't a big deal to me. Potentially being outgained by ~$5M/year/team by every major conference in tv revenue is a huge deal to me.

It will be difficult to change the TV deal after it is re-negotiated (although the ACC will probably end up with $16million per team. Perhaps the ACC conference office should hire some smarter business people to run the organization. There are other revenue sources that other conferences are doing i.e.- cable tv network that could add a lot of revenue to the member teams.
I hope someone at the ACC conference office at least reads the paper and finds out that the B1G, Pac-12, Big XII, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas State have cable networks and perhaps it might be something that the ACC should look at.
Until the ACC gets more business minded people running the conference office it will be difficult to increase revenues for the member schools.
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RE: Bowl Money: ACC trails SEC by $12.5 million/year
(04-09-2012 01:03 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  
(04-05-2012 07:54 PM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  Being outgained by ~$1M/year/team by the SEC in bowl revenue isn't a big deal to me. Potentially being outgained by ~$5M/year/team by every major conference in tv revenue is a huge deal to me.

It will be difficult to change the TV deal after it is re-negotiated (although the ACC will probably end up with $16million per team. Perhaps the ACC conference office should hire some smarter business people to run the organization. There are other revenue sources that other conferences are doing i.e.- cable tv network that could add a lot of revenue to the member teams.
I hope someone at the ACC conference office at least reads the paper and finds out that the B1G, Pac-12, Big XII, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas State have cable networks and perhaps it might be something that the ACC should look at.
Until the ACC gets more business minded people running the conference office it will be difficult to increase revenues for the member schools.

If it's only $16M than I think there will be a very quick reaction by several ACC schools to part ways. Only getting $16M isn't near good enough when every other major conference (including many of our in-state rivals) is receiving $20M+.

The ACC signed away ALL RIGHTS in this most recent contract. There is absolutely no content to start a network unless the ACC literally buys games back from ESPN to then start a network with. Maybe the ACC gets some of these games back in renegotiations. Maybe. I really have no idea. I don't believe anything pertaining to that has been "leaked."
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RE: Bowl Money: ACC trails SEC by $12.5 million/year
(04-09-2012 01:03 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  
(04-05-2012 07:54 PM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  Being outgained by ~$1M/year/team by the SEC in bowl revenue isn't a big deal to me. Potentially being outgained by ~$5M/year/team by every major conference in tv revenue is a huge deal to me.

It will be difficult to change the TV deal after it is re-negotiated (although the ACC will probably end up with $16million per team. Perhaps the ACC conference office should hire some smarter business people to run the organization. There are other revenue sources that other conferences are doing i.e.- cable tv network that could add a lot of revenue to the member teams.
I hope someone at the ACC conference office at least reads the paper and finds out that the B1G, Pac-12, Big XII, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas State have cable networks and perhaps it might be something that the ACC should look at.
Until the ACC gets more business minded people running the conference office it will be difficult to increase revenues for the member schools.

If there is to be an ACC Network, it would be owned and maybe even operated by ESPN, similar to the LHN. They have all the third tier rights. And honestly they are the best in the business at getting sports networks on getting decent subscriber fees for their channels.

But at this point in time, I believe ESPN is far more interested in internet content than starting up another network. It wouldn't surprise me to see them use the ACC third tier rights to see how they can get BTN and PTN $$$ for internet-exclusive content.

Are the ACC's efforts with Facebook and twitter somehow connected to this?

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RE: Bowl Money: ACC trails SEC by $12.5 million/year
(04-09-2012 05:36 PM)omniorange Wrote:  
(04-09-2012 01:03 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  
(04-05-2012 07:54 PM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  Being outgained by ~$1M/year/team by the SEC in bowl revenue isn't a big deal to me. Potentially being outgained by ~$5M/year/team by every major conference in tv revenue is a huge deal to me.

It will be difficult to change the TV deal after it is re-negotiated (although the ACC will probably end up with $16million per team. Perhaps the ACC conference office should hire some smarter business people to run the organization. There are other revenue sources that other conferences are doing i.e.- cable tv network that could add a lot of revenue to the member teams.
I hope someone at the ACC conference office at least reads the paper and finds out that the B1G, Pac-12, Big XII, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas State have cable networks and perhaps it might be something that the ACC should look at.
Until the ACC gets more business minded people running the conference office it will be difficult to increase revenues for the member schools.

If there is to be an ACC Network, it would be owned and maybe even operated by ESPN, similar to the LHN. They have all the third tier rights. And honestly they are the best in the business at getting sports networks on getting decent subscriber fees for their channels.

But at this point in time, I believe ESPN is far more interested in internet content than starting up another network. It wouldn't surprise me to see them use the ACC third tier rights to see how they can get BTN and PTN $$$ for internet-exclusive content.

Are the ACC's efforts with Facebook and twitter somehow connected to this?

Cheers,
Neil

I am not sure how interested ESPN would be in starting a new ACC Network as they may have soured on the idea based on recent events. I had heard that the Longhorn Network was not doing well initially but I have not heard whether they have turned it around.
Building internet content is less risky but also less profitable than a cable network could be. Building a cable network can be expensive initially so who knows whether ESPN would want to take the risk. Having ESPN as a partner would be ok as the other conferences also have TV partners in their cable network. The ACC cable network could be a big money maker for ESPN and the ACC due to all the potential subscribers in its viewing area.
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RE: Bowl Money: ACC trails SEC by $12.5 million/year
(04-09-2012 04:41 PM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  
(04-09-2012 01:03 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  
(04-05-2012 07:54 PM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  Being outgained by ~$1M/year/team by the SEC in bowl revenue isn't a big deal to me. Potentially being outgained by ~$5M/year/team by every major conference in tv revenue is a huge deal to me.

It will be difficult to change the TV deal after it is re-negotiated (although the ACC will probably end up with $16million per team. Perhaps the ACC conference office should hire some smarter business people to run the organization. There are other revenue sources that other conferences are doing i.e.- cable tv network that could add a lot of revenue to the member teams.
I hope someone at the ACC conference office at least reads the paper and finds out that the B1G, Pac-12, Big XII, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas State have cable networks and perhaps it might be something that the ACC should look at.
Until the ACC gets more business minded people running the conference office it will be difficult to increase revenues for the member schools.

If it's only $16M than I think there will be a very quick reaction by several ACC schools to part ways. Only getting $16M isn't near good enough when every other major conference (including many of our in-state rivals) is receiving $20M+.

The ACC signed away ALL RIGHTS in this most recent contract. There is absolutely no content to start a network unless the ACC literally buys games back from ESPN to then start a network with. Maybe the ACC gets some of these games back in renegotiations. Maybe. I really have no idea. I don't believe anything pertaining to that has been "leaked."

There probably would not be any good football games on the network or any good basketball games on the network. There would just be stuff that would not be picked up. Not sure which schools would leave. The only ones that I can think of are: FSU (if the SEC asked), Clemson (if the SEC asked), Miami (if the SEC asked)Syracuse, Boston College, Pittsburgh or Maryland if the B1G asked. I cannot see the other schools leaving the ACC. The cable network would probably be 51% ESPN owned and 49% ACC owned similar to what the other conferences have.
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How in the hell did the PAC-12 get that kind of TV revenue???
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(04-10-2012 02:28 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  How in the hell did the PAC-12 get that kind of TV revenue???

Larry Scott and the fact that neither ESPN nor FOX wanted Comcast/NBC in the race. Comcast overbid and both ESPN and FOX were about to let it go when the Pac suggested to ESPN and FOX they might want to pool their resources and outbid Comcast.

The rest, as they say, is history.

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(04-10-2012 02:28 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  How in the hell did the PAC-12 get that kind of TV revenue???

They have a commissioner with vision and balls.

We have one that wears baby blue clown shoes and Dean Smith underoos.
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(04-10-2012 02:28 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  How in the hell did the PAC-12 get that kind of TV revenue???

They had good timing when their contract came due. They also had a good commissioner. Larry Scott has a good vision on how to maximize revenues. It was his idea to try and get Texas and Oklahoma to join the Pac-12. They do have a good market as well. Almost as many people as in the ACC market.
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RE: Bowl Money: ACC trails SEC by $12.5 million/year
(04-10-2012 12:35 AM)tj_2009 Wrote:  There probably would not be any good football games on the network or any good basketball games on the network. There would just be stuff that would not be picked up. Not sure which schools would leave. The only ones that I can think of are: FSU (if the SEC asked), Clemson (if the SEC asked), Miami (if the SEC asked)Syracuse, Boston College, Pittsburgh or Maryland if the B1G asked. I cannot see the other schools leaving the ACC. The cable network would probably be 51% ESPN owned and 49% ACC owned similar to what the other conferences have.

ESPN can't air every good basketball game. The ACC has some great baseball programs. There would be plenty of good lacrosse in the mid-atlantic/northeast. There's plenty of men's and women's soccer. Track would be big with several schools. There would be non-sporting events shown on the network; a daily ACC sportscenter, weekly 30-minute segments about each university's athletics, throw in some academic highlights if more space is needed, shows about ACC legends, airing "classic" games in football or basketball. There's tons of programming to be had. And if the ACC had any balls it'd be able to get back one major football matchup per week to air on the network.

Only the Big Ten has a network ownership split like that. And I'm pretty sure the Big Ten is able to buyout much of Fox's share at a future date. I believe the Pac 12 owns most of/their entire network. Texas is having trouble getting the LHN picked up because it's just one school and not enough people give two craps to demand the station. If it included Texas Tech, Baylor and TCU then it'd probably be picked up fairly quickly.

FSU and Clemson have been in Big 12 rumor talks for at least a month or two now. If the two wanted to leave the Big 12 would listen to what they had to say. And if those two start looking around, a lot of ACC schools will start looking around. I find it hard to believe Miami would stay in a conference without FSU when it means they may never play FSU on a regular basis anymore. That would really hurt their athletic department. Would GT stay when 2/3 of its closest/southern neighbors are taking off? Maybe, maybe not. Would Maryland, who has well-publicized money issues jump with the southern schools and partner up with WVU in the north? Maybe, maybe not. Would Pitt see its new home potentially crumbling before it and partner back up with WVU and join the Big 12? Maybe, maybe not. Would the SEC talk to VT and NC State - or whatever schools are on their radar - if FSU and Clemson are looking to leave? I'd assume so. Would the Big Ten send some schools an "if needed" parachute? I'd think so.

Let's not be naive and think there's no chance of ACC schools jumping. If the last few years have taught anyone anything it's that almost anything is possible. If FSU and Clemson were unhappy enough with the ACC I believe they'd be able to lure a few other schools with them to the Big 12 if that's what it came to. If you feel differently than so be it. I've seen many threads on FSU sites discussing just this: If the ACC money isn't comparable they are willing to try a new conference like the Big 12. Hell, some of them don't even care what the money is, they want to leave the ACC that badly for various reasons. and yes, there are those that see nothing wrong with the ACC and want to remain (t)here. If I may generalize, they usually list academics as the biggest reason for wanting to stay, despite not being able to say how the ACC actually helps FSU academically in any substantiative way.
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RE: Bowl Money: ACC trails SEC by $12.5 million/year
To get back to the OP, I wouldn't worry about the disparity in bowl money because, well, nobody makes money on bowls.

In 2008, when UF went to the title game IN MIAMI, they had a revenue of........$650.
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