Some good stuff

http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/the...t_id=10652

Quote:Currently, not only are almost all students expected to get a college degree, but those of superior abilities are expected to carry on for a Masters’ degree, a PhD, or two Masters’ degrees, with the second being in business, law or journalism, according to the student’s future activity. The excessive credentialism of the U.S. system was exemplified at a medical conference I attended recently, where the attendees were surprised how many Chinese doctors were prepared to engage in primary medicine, but then explained patronizingly that many Chinese doctors had only an undergraduate degree. It occurred to me at that point that U.S. medical costs could be sharply reduced and quality improved if primary physicians, the principal point of contact with most patients, could be qualified in four years instead of ten.

Mach, didn't we mention this in your healthcare thread?

Quote:Similarly from the 1890s, the American Bar Association began to press states to require that lawyers attend not only an undergraduate program but a three-year law school in order to pass the state bar exam; currently all states but California, Vermont, Virginia and Washington require this. As with doctors, the cost of legal services could be drastically reduced by eliminating this requirement of no less than seven years of college study to enter what is in most cases a fairly intellectually undemanding profession.

But max got an 'A' in Bankruptcy class!

(04-11-2012 11:47 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  Some good stuff

http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/the...t_id=10652

Quote:Currently, not only are almost all students expected to get a college degree, but those of superior abilities are expected to carry on for a Masters’ degree, a PhD, or two Masters’ degrees, with the second being in business, law or journalism, according to the student’s future activity. The excessive credentialism of the U.S. system was exemplified at a medical conference I attended recently, where the attendees were surprised how many Chinese doctors were prepared to engage in primary medicine, but then explained patronizingly that many Chinese doctors had only an undergraduate degree. It occurred to me at that point that U.S. medical costs could be sharply reduced and quality improved if primary physicians, the principal point of contact with most patients, could be qualified in four years instead of ten.

Mach, didn't we mention this in your healthcare thread?

Quote:Similarly from the 1890s, the American Bar Association began to press states to require that lawyers attend not only an undergraduate program but a three-year law school in order to pass the state bar exam; currently all states but California, Vermont, Virginia and Washington require this. As with doctors, the cost of legal services could be drastically reduced by eliminating this requirement of no less than seven years of college study to enter what is in most cases a fairly intellectually undemanding profession.

But max got an 'A' in Bankruptcy class!

The same B.S. is happening in the civil engineering field where the ASCE, the national organization, is pushing for a five year degree as a requirement for licensure. They openly state that this is their way to increase salaries and to make C.E.'s viewed as equals to attorneys and doctors.

All balderdash.

(04-11-2012 12:05 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  The same B.S. is happening in the civil engineering field where the ASCE, the national organization, is pushing for a five year degree as a requirement for licensure. They openly state that this is their way to increase salaries and to make C.E.'s viewed as equals to attorneys and doctors.

All balderdash.

Sad. You can't create value out of nothing.

This is exactly what happened w/ teachers, and they're now getting burned with it. They have the costs of maintaining their credentials, all why reality is starting to cap (or lower) salaries. In the meantime their argument is "I have a master's degree!" (which can also be read as, " ")

(04-11-2012 12:05 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  The same B.S. is happening in the civil engineering field where the ASCE, the national organization, is pushing for a five year degree as a requirement for licensure. They openly state that this is their way to increase salaries and to make C.E.'s viewed as equals to attorneys and doctors.

All balderdash.

What! Some of the best Engineers I have ever known don't even have a 4 year degree..

Fortunately Civil is really the only discipline where lacking those credentials will close many doors. EE's Mech's, Chem's, and to a lesser degree Industiral's get almost no benefit out of it.

When I worked for the Corps I was tempted to take the exam but never got around to it.

But before the Civi's worry about beeing seen as equals to doctors you might want work yourselves up to equals in the eyes of other engineers


After all EE's, Mech's, and Chem's make weapons and you guys just make targets

Bull_In_Exile Wrote:[
But before the Civi's worry about beeing seen as equals to doctors you might want work yourselves up to equals in the eyes of other engineers


After all EE's, Mech's, and Chem's make weapons and you guys just make targets

Oh, boy.

I will say that it was easy to pick out the EE, C(omputer)E and ME students as they looked most likely to go postal. They all had this beat down look, 1000 yard stare. They frightened me.

Remember that old joke about the Designer of the female body couldn't have been a civil engineer because he put a recreational area right next to a sanitary sewer...

(04-11-2012 01:05 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

Bull_In_Exile Wrote:[
But before the Civi's worry about beeing seen as equals to doctors you might want work yourselves up to equals in the eyes of other engineers


After all EE's, Mech's, and Chem's make weapons and you guys just make targets

Oh, boy.

I will say that it was easy to pick out the EE, C(omputer)E and ME students as they looked most likely to go postal. They all had this beat down look, 1000 yard stare. They frightened me.

Remember that old joke about the Designer of the female body couldn't have been a civil engineer because he put a recreational area right next to a sanitary sewer...

All I know is at UB the EE mandatory classes almost always started at 8am and went till noon... My friends who were civi's were not even out of bed by the time I finished my third class.

Maybe that why we were so easy to spot