Figured I should post this here before some CUSA / Big East wannabe broke their neck to post this. I think the writer actually has some valid concerns. Just win baby takes care of all doubters.
CJ


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Coog. You have made this board a very hostile place for reasonable fans like myself. Please take your sour grapes elsewhere.

CardinalJim Wrote:Figured I should post this here before some CUSA / Big East wannabe broke their neck to post this. I think the writer actually has some valid concerns. Just win baby takes care of all doubters.

I agree Jim. The writer objectively addresses the NBE's concerns.

I really think UL will help the conference from day one. Miami was a huge loss, but UL is AT MINIMUM on par with BC and VT. USF has such potential in a year or two, as well. But, even with this, the resurrection of Pitt's and Syracuse's top-25 stati is vital.

I'm upset that UC will likely be weak (lot of SRs gone) going into the league. However, Dantonio needs to be given time, and things will be OK in Bearcat land.

Quote:I wouldn't count on the BE hosting

<a href='http://bigeast.org/sports/football/releases/06-14-04.asp' target='_blank'>http://bigeast.org/sports/football/release...es/06-14-04.asp</a>

Not everything posted on this board is blind optimism, some of are 'predictions' are fact based.

Not a wannabe, but as usual, your a day late and a dollar short (so to speak). The writer most likely, like everyone else in NYC, really could care less about the BE, he is just making an opinion (correct one imo). Take it anyway you want.

No one in New York City could cares less about C-USA so I guess we have something in common using that "logic".

The fact remains, some BE folks have posted about NY having a Big Apple Bowl with the host being the BE etc...well, for starters, the stadium to hold that game is not even a certainty at this point. I wouldn't count on the BE hosting;

If the Big East weren't hosting it they wouldn't have announced it. People seem to forget that, the fact that the Big East officially announced they were working with the Big Apple Bowl.

I'd think if they want it, the BIG 10/11/whatever will be pursued, woed etc before any thought of a Cincinnati, Louisville or even a Pitt hosting a game in a NY stadium. Think about the title of that article, its says volumes.

I love how the anti-Big East fans have suddenly assumed the Big Ten will host the Big Apple Bowl. Ohio State's AD was asked about adding Syracuse to the Big Ten. The AD's response was that the Big Ten had no interest in the New York market. So, if they have no interest in the New York market why would they want the Big Apple Bowl? On a side note, the title is referring to the Big Least name refers to the Big East losing some teams, not to the stupid "Big Least" moniker thrown around by people. The ironic thing is that this guy is basically saying that if the Big East wins they'll be among the Big Six again. Notice he isn't completely writing off the conference or claiming that the Big Ten will want the Big Apple Bowl. And, to add to the irony, he points out that the Big East has one Top 25 team, C-USA two. Guess which one of the two Top 25 teams C-USA has, and guess which conference that school is moving to? Something people don't consider when talking about the Big East. The Big East will be fine. Winning cures all, and many of the Big East teams are winning, even while down.

tigercat Wrote:No one on this board will have a say whether or not Memphis gets an invite to a NBE, so what do you care about the feeling of this board. Think about this, I see more articles about realignment, expansion on this board than any other. Why? I'm coming to the conclusion these dudes are scared and its beginning to show. The whole mess seems to be unravling, and they know it.

The articles about realignment is referring to the Big East expanding. How is that being scared about the conference unraveling? If anybody is scared it's the C-USA board. You have people worried about Memphis bailing. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Heck if anybody is scared it's you, you're worried that the Big East will actually succeed, which it will. Heck, the Big East is having a somewhat down year and STILL has a BCS bid and would-be two Top 25 teams and national title contender. Things are REALLY unraveling around the Big East!

nflsucks Wrote:

Quote:I wouldn't count on the BE hosting

<a href='http://bigeast.org/sports/football/releases/06-14-04.asp' target='_blank'>http://bigeast.org/sports/football/release...es/06-14-04.asp</a>

Not everything posted on this board is blind optimism, some of are 'predictions' are fact based.

Come on, don't let facts get in the way of a little Big East bashing. Apparently that Big East announcement never happened and the Big Ten apparently has officially announced they're hosting the Big Apple Bowl! Apparently this press release accidently said Big East instead of Big Ten. And, apparently, the New York Jets offering 800 million dollars for the facilities is proof that the building being constructed isn't a certainty, even though it was officially announced:

[i]BIG APPLE BOWL BRINGS COLLEGE FOOTBALL BACK TO NEW YORK

The BIG EAST Conference, the New York City Sports Commission, the New York Jets and the National Football Foundation and College Hall of Fame announced the creation of the Big Apple Bowl. This annual college football game will be held at the New York Sports and Convention Center (NYSCC) -- proposed future home of the New York Jets. BIG EAST Conference Commissioner Mike Tranghese, New York Jets President Jay Cross, National Football Foundation President Bob Casciola and Ken Podziba, Commissioner of the Sports Commission made the announcement.

The Big Apple Bowl will give New Yorkers the opportunity to enjoy a postseason college football game and bring 75,000 new visitors to the City annually while generating up to $8 million in fiscal impact. New York City has not hosted a college bowl game since the Gotham Bowl was played in Yankee Stadium in 1962.

“We are proud to announce that the Big Apple Bowl is the first annual event that the New York Sports and Convention Center has booked,

"Think about this, I see more articles about realignment, expansion on this board than any other. Why? I'm coming to the conclusion these dudes are scared and its beginning to show. The whole mess seems to be unravling, and they know it."


-- That's because realignment is looming one way or the other for our league.....your reading way to much in between the lines...

-- Speaking of scared....at least our posters aren't openly bashing the new league members like your board is.....I'm suprised it took y'all this long to realize that SMU, Rice and Tulsa are useless additions

-- Finally...if you don't think NYC cares about the Big East....then maybe you need to watch the BE tourney this march....MSG is overflowing with people....and the BE tourney is and always has been the best run hoops tourney in the country


* the worst case scenario for our league is that...if football fails we will have to share the bcs bid with ND the same way we shar our other bowls and have to "stick it out" with the 16 team league and its BBall power

-- From where I'm sitting your worst case scenario seems far worse.....enjoy your road trips to Rice and playing in front of 8,000 people.....or that rich and tradition rich Tulsa/Memphis hoops rivlary....yep....that knock the UC/Uconn game right off of Big Monday

:laugh:


Jackson

I hate to be blunt, because I don't like taking shots at C-USA, but here's a scenerio, what situation would you rather be in. Would you rather:

A.) Be in a BCS conference that is trying to maintain its BCS status, currently has a Top 10 program challenging for a national title and will add a Top 25 team to the conference, is forming an allegiance in a monster market with monster money givers for a major bowl has programs with solid tradition with top-of-the-line facilities (yes, top-of-the-line, Cincinnati just did a $100 million athletic upgrade, South Florida something like a 30 or 40 million dollar upgrade), and one of the premiere basketball conferences in America and is situated in major markets in all of their athletics, or:

B.)Be a conference that is losing a Top 25 football program, will take a significant hit in basketball, has no guaranteed BCS ties, has no teams in the Top 25, has several programs with horrendous facilities and little support for their athletics, programs climbing over themselves to get to the Big East or any other "Big Six" conference, decent market settings, and in-fighting among the fans ripping the conference teams.

Now tell me, which conference does this comment refer to again?

I'm coming to the conclusion these dudes are scared and its beginning to show. The whole mess seems to be unravling, and they know it.

When the worst thing the Big East has to worry about so far are a few media heads taking jabs at it, well, I'd take that any day of the week!

"When the worst thing the Big East has to worry about so far are a few media heads taking jabs at it, well, I'd take that any day of the week! "



-- Amen Cat's Claw....At least people care what is going on in the BE......No gives a _______ about CUSA.......especially after this yr when the MWC and WAC pass it in football......and good lord.....aside from Memphis.......it has a bball league that has about as much fan support as the sun belt does



Jackson

Jackson1011 Wrote:"When the worst thing the Big East has to worry about so far are a few media heads taking jabs at it, well, I'd take that any day of the week! "



-- Amen Cat's Claw....At least people care what is going on in the BE......No gives a _______ about CUSA.......especially after this yr when the MWC and WAC pass it in football......and good lord.....aside from Memphis.......it has a bball league that has about as much fan support as the sun belt does



Jackson

That's the thing people don't get about the Big East, media heads are taking shots at the Big East because they care about what the Big East is doing. You notice that a lot of the media members basically say the Big East is weak because they lack depth, not because they don't have talent. If Louisville brings a Top 25 tags in, Pitt regains its Top 25 ranking next year, which is more then possible, and a few teams from the South Florida, UConn, UC, Rutgers and Syracuse bunch step up, the Big East will once again be recognized as a Big Six conference. I don't know how some people qualify that as "unraveling". I've heard people in C-USA rip UC and heard some people question UC's ability to compete in the Big East. Well, if the worst the Big East has is a UC team that has upgraded it's facilities by 9 figures, brought in a national championship coach and has picked up its attendance into the 30,000s, and will probably have a few quality recruits in football steered its way via Jim Tressel at OSU looking out for Coach Dantonio, then that's the type of conference I want to be part of!

Cat's Claw, I highly doubt the OSU AD said the Big 10 wasn't interested in the New York market. Especially when OSU is the fifth rated college football team in NYC, in-roads that came about as a result of PSU joining the Big 10.

You do realize that NYC ABC nine times out ten airs Michigan and OSU games over BE and ACC games don't you?

Big 10 cares about New York market, they simply don't want to travel there and know they have a huge piece of it with PSU and will eventually get the rest of it with ND.

Cheers,
Neil

Quote:You do realize that NYC ABC nine times out ten airs Michigan and OSU games over BE and ACC games don't you?

I'm pretty sure the Rutgers/Michigan State game aired in NYC, which is a good sign of what a good RU can do for the league.

The Michigan/OSU game is going to get aired 9 times out of 10 over any game at any place in the country.

I don't claim that the Big East owns NYC in football, but we DO own it in basketball, and the Big Apple Bowl will definitely give us direct exposure in NYC football wise that we have never had before.

Yes, RU-MSU was the 3:30 game on ABC on September 4. It was the first time RU had been on ABC since 1995.

I believe the next two weeks were both OSU, Marshall vs. OSU and OSU vs. NC State.

Cheers,
Neil