"But, the league with no big ones once again sat back and let events roll over them. Now BC is gone and we have USF."


-- BC would have left no matter what we chose to do with the bball onlys....I really think that they were in bed with the ACC from the begining....and the argument that they would have stayed had an 8 team all sports league formed is frankly a lie that they have promoted with the press

-- I'm not sure why the 8 football schools didn't form there own league....my guess is that is had something to do with syracuse....when SU was still gong to the ACC....the movement towards the all sports league seemed full spead ahead....when it becaome cleare that SU had gotten left out....then this 16 team league stuff started to be discussed publicly....not sure exactly what happened


"For better or worse, we are now C-USA-East"

-- As I posted above....I still think its possible to keep some of our eastern indentity...but everything is going to depend on the next round of expanion and who is added to the league.....If Memphis and or UCF is added.....I think a significant part of our history is lost


Jackson

WVU, Louisville, PITT and UC have great geographic potential along the Ohio River valley. I believe that enhancing and nurturing the rivalries along that corridor will be huge for the new league. The Big River trophy in football? Who knows? I just really like the way those 4 schools are situated; it just makes sense that they be in a conference together imo.

tigercat Wrote:<a href='http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/story/234704p-201605c.html' target='_blank'>NY Daily News</a>

Here is an example of some of the "love and respect" the BE is getting here in NYC..move your headquarters here, of course you will have to pay an arm and leg for rental (if your thinking Manhattan).

"All the criticism seems headed toward the schools that remained," Rodriguez said. "I kind of wonder where that's coming from. It's not our fault those schools decided to leave. It wasn't like we said, 'Get out.' They decided to leave for their own reasons.

"It's a little crazy how all of a sudden Miami and Virginia Tech aren't in the league and, all of a sudden, the league is wide open. Well, it's our contention it's been wide-open every year. Virginia Tech has been in the middle of our league the past few years. We lost by two points to Miami last year and tied for the league title. We were second in 2002."

Also note that he's butchering the league this season. If Dan Rather checked the polls recently Louisville is the only team CUSA has in the top 25 and will be pre season top 25 next year in the Big East. The Big East will be A-OK once the agenda driven media frenzy simmers down and realizes that the PAC-10 has nothing on the Big East. I like it that it seems to be motivating the EERs.

Where's Cat's Claw when you need him? It's time to start the name calling. Just remember, I didn't post that link.

Tigercat,

As already discussed on this board, ad nausea, the Big East will be the butt of everyone's ire. The 5 conferences ahead of us in the BCS will continue to look down upon us as they did even when Miami was in the league. Everything that was said in this article about WVU is the same exact thing said about Miami and how easy they had it getting to the BCS. Of course, the ones writing about it were real college football reporters, not college basketball writers with bad hairpieces :rolleyes:

The fact remains, the Big East was the sixth best college football league with Miami, and we are the sixth best college football league without Miami.

The non-automatic BCS-bid conferences will continue to point to the Big East and say they are no better than us, why do they get a bid.

Again, the fact remains, the Big East was the sixth best college football league with Miami, and until the MW and WAC merge jettisoning their dead weight programs we are the sixth best college football league without Miami. The new C-USA isn't even in the picture anymore.

And if C-USA on their budget can afford to have their offices in Dallas, I think the Big East with a budget at least 10 times that of C-USA can afford Manhattan.

But thanks for caring.


Cheers,
Neil

Hey Jackson, you may be right about BC, but since the split never occured we will never know for sure.

We only know that as a result of not splitting, BC said they no longer felt obligated to their word to remain and build a stronger all-sports conference.

And until SU and BC were rejected by the ACC, there was absolutely no movement toward an all-sports conference except for the positioning by C-USA teams lining themselves up for an invite.

The remaining BE football schools were too busy filing stupid lawsuits to start the real work toward rebuilding the BE football conference.

Cheers,
Neil

"WVU, Louisville, PITT and UC have great geographic potential along the Ohio River valley. I believe that enhancing and nurturing the rivalries along that corridor will be huge for the new league. The Big River trophy in football? Who knows? I just really like the way those 4 schools are situated; it just makes sense that they be in a conference together imo. "


-- Agreed that section of the conference is fine and makes percfect sense.....the northern section of BE football would have also made perfect sense had BC stayed....

-- I can live with the addition of USF because I see how well they are doing in recruiting....and I think they will be able to help us quickly....but I would still like to see the 9th member of the all sports league be an eastern team....Delaware anyone??...maybe Umass

-- Omnicarrier.....I'm assuming the BE split is a certainty and that we are going to be looking for a 9th school.....who would you like to see it be??


Jackson

L-yes Wrote:WVU, Louisville, PITT and UC have great geographic potential along the Ohio River valley. I believe that enhancing and nurturing the rivalries along that corridor will be huge for the new league. The Big River trophy in football? Who knows? I just really like the way those 4 schools are situated; it just makes sense that they be in a conference together imo.

The Ohio empties in the Mighty Mississippi which flows right on down to...

Jackson1011,

I don't want any team at this precise moment in time. The split, if it does occur, isn't going to happen for five years. Let's have the dust settle and see what develops.

The team that looks the best at the moment, Memphis, may ultimately prove not to be the best choice 5 years down the road.

Cheers,
Neil

3601 Wrote:The Ohio empties in the Mighty Mississippi which flows right on down to...

Yep. That means, when someone in Cincinnati pisses, UL and Memphis fans get to drink it :D

Quote:The remaining BE football schools were too busy filing stupid lawsuits to start the real work toward rebuilding the BE football conference.

If we suddenly were to lose the BCS bid (which despite the ridiculous outta the blue heavy onslaught from the media, is safe until at least 2010), then those lawsuits would suddenly have merit.

Quote:The Ohio empties in the Mighty Mississippi which flows right on down to...

The Central Florida area if my geography is correct. :) (joking)

Quote:Let's have the dust settle and see what develops.

Time will make the next move a lot clearer. Do you go with Eastern tradition? Do you go with most potential? Or maybe we get lucky and some super coach Temple grad is just waiting for Wallace to get fired so he can lead the Owls to the promised land and we get both Eastern tradition and quality.

Temple really could've rebounded as an Independent playing a Navy type schedule, they instead chose to play 5 ACC teams and I sadly think it's more likely the Owls go the way of Holy Cross before they improve under their current coaching staff.

One thing is for sure, I'll be following Temple, UCF, Army, and Navy much closer in years to come.

"#6 West Virginia 3-0
#22 Louisville 2-0
Memphis 3-0 (recently #25, probably still there if in a BCS conference)
Navy 3-0 (split)
Syracuse 2-1
Connecticut 2-1
Rutgers 2-1
Pitt 1-1
South Florida 1-1
Cincinnati 1-2
Army (split)"


-- this is the original idea proposed by cat's claw....and I could live with it....provided Army and Navy was for football only...

-- agree with the point about time....and your right....if Temple could somehow but together a quality football program then all of our
?s will be answered


Jackson

omnicarrier Wrote:Jackson1011,

I don't want any team at this precise moment in time. The split, if it does occur, isn't going to happen for five years. Let's have the dust settle and see what develops.

The team that looks the best at the moment, Memphis, may ultimately prove not to be the best choice 5 years down the road.

Cheers,
Neil

Your right, and Memphis "might" prove its too good for the BE, and have an invite to a better party. This is all speculation, and no one has a clue how it will play out. Memphis will be fine regardless, and I sincerely believe most of the BE schools will be also. Its going to be an interesting ride isn't it!

Peace and good luck to all this weekend.

BJUnklFkr Wrote:

3601 Wrote:The Ohio empties in the Mighty Mississippi which flows right on down to...

Yep. That means, when someone in Cincinnati pisses, UL and Memphis fans get to drink it :D

Memphis gets its water from an underground aquifer system. The water pulled from it fell as rain a long long time ago. Cincinatti piss floats right on by with the :fish:

ya know... it CAN'T be coincidence that Temple has 5 ACC teams on their schedule for next year. That would almost require some sort of coordination w/ the ACC as a conference. What does it mean? Is the ACC trying to help Temple at the expense of the BE somehow? Not to sound paranoid, but it's very strange. And these are not One-Offs - they are all home/home. 5 ACC schools, next season. It's really strange.

Reasons for Temple on so many ACC schedules.

Easy win.

Exposure in the Northeast.

Can sell playing in beautiful Lincoln Financial Field to recruits, particularly northeastern recruits - Philly and Boston are the #4 and #6 markets.

Also, I think there is an obscure rule that says a team has to play at least 5 games to be considered as part of a 1-A conference - so at the time these games were schedule, if BC was forced to stay in the BE one more year, the ACC could still petition to play its championship game.

Not sure about the latter since I read about it on the WVU board and did not see a link to the rule on the NCAA site.

Cheers,
Neil