(04-08-2012 06:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:32 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:25 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:24 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:15 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  It worked for the ACC and the OB hasn't it?

What the heck? The OB was major long before it tied itself to the ACC.

And so was the Cotton until it lost the Big12 champ and started taking left overs

Good point, when the Big XII went to the Fiesta Bowl over the Cotton Bowl their positions flipped. If the Cotton Bowl want to move up and with AQ gone it might have to team up with ND/BIG EAST. The higher ranked of the 2 vs. either the SEC West or Big XII #2.

It also doesn't hurt that Jerry Jones wife is on the SMU Board of Trustees. It might mean nothing or it could mean a lot...juz say'n.

I think you are confusing cause and effect: the big 12 flipped to the fiesta because the fiesta came up with enough money to be major and offered more money than the cotton, the big 12 didnt out of the blue decide to switch to the fiesta thereby causing the fiesta to become major.

The point is, when it lost it SWC/Big XII Tie-In it moved down the ladder. The Cotton Bowl now has the $$$$ and wants to join. We shall see in about 6 months.

Until then none of us knows diddly. No one here is Nostradamus!

Anyways I'm tired of this thread. We shall see what happens soon enough

(04-08-2012 06:27 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 03:13 PM)Maize Wrote:  I guess quo doesn't realize that a non viable BIG EAST Football league actually hurts Notre Dame ability to stay independant.

As long as the BIG EAST has a viable Football league-(ie major schools that are in the league like Rutgers, Louisville, Cincinnati, UConn etc, etc) and they have access to major bowl along with a good TV deal those schools might be less likely to jump to another league if the opportunity arises.

Plus, ND as a Conference member in other sports already shares Bowls with the BIG EAST-(Champs Sports Bowl/Pinstripe Bowl). No reason in their self interest to remain Indy-(instead of maybe being forced in the end to join the ACC All Sports) to just alignment themselves with the BIG EAST with a Major Bowl Game like the Cotton Bowl if the opportunity arises...juz say'n.

Maize, since the Big East has been AQ and yet all seven teams that have been wooed by other conferences the past nine years have left anyway, i doubt ND sees the Big East remaining AQ as a hedge against teams leaving ...

1. AQ is "G-O-N-E" for EVERYONE. Also, as bad as 7 schools in 9 years sound. At least it is not as bad as 4 in 1 year and they all left that AQ conference for the SEC, B1G & Pac 12 because their new leagues offered more $$$$

2. It is about revenue. With AQ "G-O-N-E" for everyone for the BIG EAST longterm survival it is about TV Contract & Bowl Tie-ins. ND knows this and they want to keep their independence, hell they headed the Football expansion search. They want a viable BIG EAST Football Conference in order to keep their Football Indy Status and have a league that can generate enough TV $$$$$ for everyone to stay on board and for themselves with the other sports like Men's & Women Basketball.

We will know what is what in about 6 months with the future of the BCS and TV Contract. Anything else is just opinion.

Maize, i agree it is all about revenue, but IMO ND is not going to make big football decisions based on olympic sports, such as including the big east in a major bowl tie in that would hurt its chances of being in a major bowl.

As you say, we all have opinions and we will see what happens.

(04-08-2012 06:36 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:24 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Let's see for awhile FedEx was putting an extra 10 million into the OB even though it has worse tv ratings than other nonBCS bowl with one third the pay out and now Discover took over sponsorship of it. So I'm wondering WHY are they dropping so much cash for lower tv rating year after year.

So the same FedEx that dropped OB sponsorship because it didnt think it was getting its moneys worth is going to dump ten million on the Cotton with the condition that the Cotton drop its more attractive SEC tie in and adopt a tie in with the less desirable big east?

Seriously?

With the option of ND/BIG EAST vs. either a SEC West or Big XII #2. Or it could keep it current arrangement.

None of us knows, hell back in the day you was "oh so sure" the BIG EAST was going to lose it AQ status by 2007. Like I told you back then the BIG EAST is going to stay a BCS AQ League as long as their was an AQ. Look like I was right, if AQ goes EVERYONE loses it and it goes back to Conference Bowl Tie-Ins.

Its current arrangement is SEC vs B12 so it cant keep that and tie in with big east.

And if AQ goes for everyone that bodes bad for us, since we have never had a tie in with a specific major bowl.

(04-08-2012 06:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:32 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:25 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:24 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:15 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  It worked for the ACC and the OB hasn't it?

What the heck? The OB was major long before it tied itself to the ACC.

And so was the Cotton until it lost the Big12 champ and started taking left overs

Good point, when the Big XII went to the Fiesta Bowl over the Cotton Bowl their positions flipped. If the Cotton Bowl want to move up and with AQ gone it might have to team up with ND/BIG EAST. The higher ranked of the 2 vs. either the SEC West or Big XII #2.

It also doesn't hurt that Jerry Jones wife is on the SMU Board of Trustees. It might mean nothing or it could mean a lot...juz say'n.

I think you are confusing cause and effect: the big 12 flipped to the fiesta because the fiesta came up with enough money to be major and offered more money than the cotton, the big 12 didnt out of the blue decide to switch to the fiesta thereby causing the fiesta to become major.

You're mistaken once again. The Big XII was once the Big 8 and they usually sent their champ to the Orange Bowl. The SWC used to send it's champ to the Cotton Bowl. The Big 8 raided the SWC for four teams, which ended the Cotton Bowl.

The Big XII did decide out of the blue to go to the Fiesta. That was right before the BCS started.

(04-08-2012 08:14 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:32 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:25 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:24 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  What the heck? The OB was major long before it tied itself to the ACC.

And so was the Cotton until it lost the Big12 champ and started taking left overs

Good point, when the Big XII went to the Fiesta Bowl over the Cotton Bowl their positions flipped. If the Cotton Bowl want to move up and with AQ gone it might have to team up with ND/BIG EAST. The higher ranked of the 2 vs. either the SEC West or Big XII #2.

It also doesn't hurt that Jerry Jones wife is on the SMU Board of Trustees. It might mean nothing or it could mean a lot...juz say'n.

I think you are confusing cause and effect: the big 12 flipped to the fiesta because the fiesta came up with enough money to be major and offered more money than the cotton, the big 12 didnt out of the blue decide to switch to the fiesta thereby causing the fiesta to become major.

You're mistaken once again. The Big XII was once the Big 8 and they usually sent their champ to the Orange Bowl. The SWC used to send it's champ to the Cotton Bowl. The Big 8 raided the SWC for four teams, which ended the Cotton Bowl.

The Big XII did decide out of the blue to go to the Fiesta. That was right before the BCS started.

Dude, everyone knows the SWC dissolved and the Big12 formed out of the SWC remnants plus Big 8. But the Big 12 doesnt go to the fiesta unless the fiesta comes up with the dollars.

Wake me up when the cotton dumps LSU and Arkansas for the big east champ. I will cheer with you.

(04-08-2012 06:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:36 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:24 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Let's see for awhile FedEx was putting an extra 10 million into the OB even though it has worse tv ratings than other nonBCS bowl with one third the pay out and now Discover took over sponsorship of it. So I'm wondering WHY are they dropping so much cash for lower tv rating year after year.

So the same FedEx that dropped OB sponsorship because it didnt think it was getting its moneys worth is going to dump ten million on the Cotton with the condition that the Cotton drop its more attractive SEC tie in and adopt a tie in with the less desirable big east?

Seriously?

With the option of ND/BIG EAST vs. either a SEC West or Big XII #2. Or it could keep it current arrangement.

None of us knows, hell back in the day you was "oh so sure" the BIG EAST was going to lose it AQ status by 2007. Like I told you back then the BIG EAST is going to stay a BCS AQ League as long as their was an AQ. Look like I was right, if AQ goes EVERYONE loses it and it goes back to Conference Bowl Tie-Ins.

Its current arrangement is SEC vs B12 so it cant keep that and tie in with big east.

And if AQ goes for everyone that bodes bad for us, since we have never had a tie in with a specific major bowl.

If the AQ stays and the Cotton wants to move up it cannot keep it's current arrangement. The Cotton Bowl right now gets the second pick of SEC and Big XII schools AFTER the BCS picks it's teams. The BCS Bowls pick in a rotation that changes every year. They would have to join that rotation. Also, they have no conference tie in and there is a good chance one of the stipulations is that they need to take a conference champ. Remember that the current bowls and conferences decides on who belongs in it's membership. They would see this as an opportunity to dump the Big East off on the new guy.

(04-08-2012 08:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 08:14 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:32 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:25 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  And so was the Cotton until it lost the Big12 champ and started taking left overs

Good point, when the Big XII went to the Fiesta Bowl over the Cotton Bowl their positions flipped. If the Cotton Bowl want to move up and with AQ gone it might have to team up with ND/BIG EAST. The higher ranked of the 2 vs. either the SEC West or Big XII #2.

It also doesn't hurt that Jerry Jones wife is on the SMU Board of Trustees. It might mean nothing or it could mean a lot...juz say'n.

I think you are confusing cause and effect: the big 12 flipped to the fiesta because the fiesta came up with enough money to be major and offered more money than the cotton, the big 12 didnt out of the blue decide to switch to the fiesta thereby causing the fiesta to become major.

You're mistaken once again. The Big XII was once the Big 8 and they usually sent their champ to the Orange Bowl. The SWC used to send it's champ to the Cotton Bowl. The Big 8 raided the SWC for four teams, which ended the Cotton Bowl.

The Big XII did decide out of the blue to go to the Fiesta. That was right before the BCS started.

Dude, everyone knows the SWC dissolved and the Big12 formed out of the SWC remnants plus Big 8. But the Big 12 doesnt go to the fiesta unless the fiesta comes up with the dollars.

Wake me up when the cotton dumps LSU and Arkansas for the big east champ. I will cheer with you.

No you wont, you'll off being pessimistic about something.

(04-08-2012 08:25 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:36 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:24 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Let's see for awhile FedEx was putting an extra 10 million into the OB even though it has worse tv ratings than other nonBCS bowl with one third the pay out and now Discover took over sponsorship of it. So I'm wondering WHY are they dropping so much cash for lower tv rating year after year.

So the same FedEx that dropped OB sponsorship because it didnt think it was getting its moneys worth is going to dump ten million on the Cotton with the condition that the Cotton drop its more attractive SEC tie in and adopt a tie in with the less desirable big east?

Seriously?

With the option of ND/BIG EAST vs. either a SEC West or Big XII #2. Or it could keep it current arrangement.

None of us knows, hell back in the day you was "oh so sure" the BIG EAST was going to lose it AQ status by 2007. Like I told you back then the BIG EAST is going to stay a BCS AQ League as long as their was an AQ. Look like I was right, if AQ goes EVERYONE loses it and it goes back to Conference Bowl Tie-Ins.

Its current arrangement is SEC vs B12 so it cant keep that and tie in with big east.

And if AQ goes for everyone that bodes bad for us, since we have never had a tie in with a specific major bowl.

If the AQ stays and the Cotton wants to move up it cannot keep it's current arrangement. The Cotton Bowl right now gets the second pick of SEC and Big XII schools AFTER the BCS picks it's teams. The BCS Bowls pick in a rotation that changes every year. They would have to join that rotation. Also, they have no conference tie in and there is a good chance one of the stipulations is that they need to take a conference champ. Remember that the current bowls and conferences decides on who belongs in it's membership. They would see this as an opportunity to dump the Big East off on the new guy.

I do not see why the Cotton would be required by the BCS to take the Big East champ. After all, no current BCS bowl is required to take the Big East champ, the Big East champ is desired by no major bowl and is thus the "floater" conference, guaranteed a spot in a BCS bowl but without a tie in to any one. I would expect that to continue should the Cotton raise the money to join the BCS ranks. After all, why would the Cotton want to be tied to the Big East? It wouldn't.

It really does boil down to this: To get the Big East a tie-in with the Cotton, you have to think that some sponsor will be willing to put up 10 million per year WITH the stipulation that the Big East gets the tie-in. That is nearly inconceivable, as sponsors want a return on their investment, which means they want the most attractive matchups.

(04-09-2012 07:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 08:25 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:36 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  So the same FedEx that dropped OB sponsorship because it didnt think it was getting its moneys worth is going to dump ten million on the Cotton with the condition that the Cotton drop its more attractive SEC tie in and adopt a tie in with the less desirable big east?

Seriously?

With the option of ND/BIG EAST vs. either a SEC West or Big XII #2. Or it could keep it current arrangement.

None of us knows, hell back in the day you was "oh so sure" the BIG EAST was going to lose it AQ status by 2007. Like I told you back then the BIG EAST is going to stay a BCS AQ League as long as their was an AQ. Look like I was right, if AQ goes EVERYONE loses it and it goes back to Conference Bowl Tie-Ins.

Its current arrangement is SEC vs B12 so it cant keep that and tie in with big east.

And if AQ goes for everyone that bodes bad for us, since we have never had a tie in with a specific major bowl.

If the AQ stays and the Cotton wants to move up it cannot keep it's current arrangement. The Cotton Bowl right now gets the second pick of SEC and Big XII schools AFTER the BCS picks it's teams. The BCS Bowls pick in a rotation that changes every year. They would have to join that rotation. Also, they have no conference tie in and there is a good chance one of the stipulations is that they need to take a conference champ. Remember that the current bowls and conferences decides on who belongs in it's membership. They would see this as an opportunity to dump the Big East off on the new guy.

I do not see why the Cotton would be required by the BCS to take the Big East champ. After all, no current BCS bowl is required to take the Big East champ, the Big East champ is desired by no major bowl and is thus the "floater" conference, guaranteed a spot in a BCS bowl but without a tie in to any one. I would expect that to continue should the Cotton raise the money to join the BCS ranks. After all, why would the Cotton want to be tied to the Big East? It wouldn't.

It really does boil down to this: To get the Big East a tie-in with the Cotton, you have to think that some sponsor will be willing to put up 10 million per year WITH the stipulation that the Big East gets the tie-in. That is nearly inconceivable, as sponsors want a return on their investment, which means they want the most attractive matchups.

I'm done. This is like talking to a wall.

(04-08-2012 06:39 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:32 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:25 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:24 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  What the heck? The OB was major long before it tied itself to the ACC.

And so was the Cotton until it lost the Big12 champ and started taking left overs

Good point, when the Big XII went to the Fiesta Bowl over the Cotton Bowl their positions flipped. If the Cotton Bowl want to move up and with AQ gone it might have to team up with ND/BIG EAST. The higher ranked of the 2 vs. either the SEC West or Big XII #2.

It also doesn't hurt that Jerry Jones wife is on the SMU Board of Trustees. It might mean nothing or it could mean a lot...juz say'n.

I think you are confusing cause and effect: the big 12 flipped to the fiesta because the fiesta came up with enough money to be major and offered more money than the cotton, the big 12 didnt out of the blue decide to switch to the fiesta thereby causing the fiesta to become major.

The point is, when it lost it SWC/Big XII Tie-In it moved down the ladder.

Yes, i got that point. But ... that by no means implies that the Cotton could improve its position by replacing the Big 12 or SEC with the Big East champion. In fact, given that the Big 12 and SEC teams it typically has access to are more desirable (from a fan/media POV), that seems highly unlikely.

(04-09-2012 08:54 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 07:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 08:25 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 06:36 PM)Maize Wrote:  With the option of ND/BIG EAST vs. either a SEC West or Big XII #2. Or it could keep it current arrangement.

None of us knows, hell back in the day you was "oh so sure" the BIG EAST was going to lose it AQ status by 2007. Like I told you back then the BIG EAST is going to stay a BCS AQ League as long as their was an AQ. Look like I was right, if AQ goes EVERYONE loses it and it goes back to Conference Bowl Tie-Ins.

Its current arrangement is SEC vs B12 so it cant keep that and tie in with big east.

And if AQ goes for everyone that bodes bad for us, since we have never had a tie in with a specific major bowl.

If the AQ stays and the Cotton wants to move up it cannot keep it's current arrangement. The Cotton Bowl right now gets the second pick of SEC and Big XII schools AFTER the BCS picks it's teams. The BCS Bowls pick in a rotation that changes every year. They would have to join that rotation. Also, they have no conference tie in and there is a good chance one of the stipulations is that they need to take a conference champ. Remember that the current bowls and conferences decides on who belongs in it's membership. They would see this as an opportunity to dump the Big East off on the new guy.

I do not see why the Cotton would be required by the BCS to take the Big East champ. After all, no current BCS bowl is required to take the Big East champ, the Big East champ is desired by no major bowl and is thus the "floater" conference, guaranteed a spot in a BCS bowl but without a tie in to any one. I would expect that to continue should the Cotton raise the money to join the BCS ranks. After all, why would the Cotton want to be tied to the Big East? It wouldn't.

It really does boil down to this: To get the Big East a tie-in with the Cotton, you have to think that some sponsor will be willing to put up 10 million per year WITH the stipulation that the Big East gets the tie-in. That is nearly inconceivable, as sponsors want a return on their investment, which means they want the most attractive matchups.

I'm done. This is like talking to a wall.

Indeed it is. You seem immune to logic and reason, your mind is filled with wishful thinking.