Interesting list. Some of those are 100% accurate.

(04-04-2012 12:43 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  2. The Founders envisioned a "wall of separation between Church and State," to keep religious influence out of government
I believe it was envisioned to go both ways. I don't think that they would support a Theocracy if it ever got to that point
3. The Mexican and Spanish-American Wars were imperialist efforts drummed up by "corporate interests"
How far did you reach to find someone who talks about those two wars?
4. John F. Kennedy was killed by LBJ and a secret team to prevent him from getting us out of Vietnam
That's more than a liberal assumption, that's a conspiracy theory
9. No terrorists, al-Qaeda leaders, or weapons of mass destruction were hiding in Iraq
Were there WMDs
10. Women had no rights in early America
There's a habit of living in terms of today when judging the past with more liberal people. There's also a habit of thinking of the past when judging today amongst a lot of conservatives. Women had tons of rights compared to the rest of the world back then.
11. Restrictions on the right to vote were meant to keep voter participation low
Not entirely untrue.
16. Columbus was responsible for killing millions of Indians
Never heard it about Columbus. Heard it about the Pilgrims though.
19. Abraham Lincoln only freed the slaves to beef up his troop strength
I don't think it was his only reason
21. The 1950s were dull and boring and created a generation of conformists in the workplace and home
I wasn't there. I know I would've hated it though.
24. Bill Clinton was impeached over sex
That is a lie.
26. Muslim terrorists are poor and uneducated and hate us because we support Israel
I think the majority are poor and uneducated and are told to hate us because we support Israel amongst other things. If they were rich and educated, a lot of them wouldn't have gone into that field of work.
27. The news media is objective, fair and balanced -- and always has been
I've been told that by libs and conservatives. Hell the conservative posters here used to stand firmly by fox or certain fox personalities.
31. Federal regulators have protected the public's health by identifying harmful products
At some point, somewhere I think they've done the right thing
32. Global warming is a fact -- and it's a man-made, American- driven problem
A chance it is and a chance it isn't
33. The Constitution was the creation of powerful elites protecting their financial interests
Never heard this
36. The "Robber Barons" were only assuaging their guilt with their philanthropy
What makes you think that they weren't.[/b]

I just skipped the things that I never heard of.

Regarding 17:

The very early colonies were basically based off of the British system. Class was still everything over race. Indentured servitude involved blacks and whites who worked and lived together as equals and could become free after their purchase prices were met and paid off. That is until they went to French/Spanish style slavery. In fact, slavery was illegal until 22 years after the first Africans came in and that was just one colony. The first legally recognized slave wasn't taken for another 13 years. He was kept over his indentured servitude's legal limit and declared a slave for life by his owner and then the courts. BTW, his owner was a hugely respected member of society and a very rich man. He was also a BLACK man. IRONIC! If the courts had let him keep his right to leave after his contract was up and if a case right after that one hadn't made it so a slave's status would pass to her children, there's a very strong possibility that we would've never crossed the line between being a society with slaves and being a slave society.

As far as tolerance amongst the people, the working class was pretty tight back then as you lived very close to work. As a result, families hung together and children played together. At one point in the late 1600's early 1700's 50% of all French-American colonist marriages were interracial. According to a very good genealogical writer named Paul Heinegg wrote that it was once common for interracial relations to be accepted amongst the lower classes and it was so until the British decided to make the plantation and separation a real part of the culture.

(04-04-2012 11:41 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Regarding 17:

The very early colonies were basically based off of the British system. Class was still everything over race. Indentured servitude involved blacks and whites who worked and lived together as equals and could become free after their purchase prices were met and paid off. That is until they went to French/Spanish style slavery. In fact, slavery was illegal until 22 years after the first Africans came in and that was just one colony. The first legally recognized slave wasn't taken for another 13 years. He was kept over his indentured servitude's legal limit and declared a slave for life by his owner and then the courts. BTW, his owner was a hugely respected member of society and a very rich man. He was also a BLACK man. IRONIC!

America's history with slavery (and the world's for that matter) is so overly simplified. In America its simplified into white people owned black people, white people owe black people. How nice it is to ignore the fact that pretty much every society in history has had some form of slavery, and that race had nothing to do with the vast majority of it.

(04-04-2012 09:19 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Obama wants to help them rebuild it. And hopes they will include us as a satellite this time.

Israel and you righties are the only ones that I know of that want to build walls.

(04-04-2012 11:55 PM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  

(04-04-2012 11:41 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Regarding 17:

The very early colonies were basically based off of the British system. Class was still everything over race. Indentured servitude involved blacks and whites who worked and lived together as equals and could become free after their purchase prices were met and paid off. That is until they went to French/Spanish style slavery. In fact, slavery was illegal until 22 years after the first Africans came in and that was just one colony. The first legally recognized slave wasn't taken for another 13 years. He was kept over his indentured servitude's legal limit and declared a slave for life by his owner and then the courts. BTW, his owner was a hugely respected member of society and a very rich man. He was also a BLACK man. IRONIC!

America's history with slavery (and the world's for that matter) is so overly simplified. In America its simplified into white people owned black people, white people owe black people. How nice it is to ignore the fact that pretty much every society in history has had some form of slavery, and that race had nothing to do with the vast majority of it.

With indentured servitude it was very common for whites to own blacks, natives, and other whites. It was also common for blacks to own blacks, whites, and natives. The Brits needed their money's worth out of the new world and gave land to anyone who could afford to have servants transported. Sometimes a black owner would end up sponsoring a European who volunteered their servitude in order to come to America.

Now it did end up in a way that whites owned the majority of slaves but there were black slave owners. In 1860, of the over 10,000 free black people in New Orleans over a quarter owned slaves. Race did have something to do with it in this country in the latter 1600's when Africans were stripped of everything and they were the only people that could be slaves for more than 30 years.

(04-04-2012 11:19 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-04-2012 12:43 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  2. The Founders envisioned a "wall of separation between Church and State," to keep religious influence out of government
I believe it was envisioned to go both ways. I don't think that they would support a Theocracy if it ever got to that point
3. The Mexican and Spanish-American Wars were imperialist efforts drummed up by "corporate interests"
How far did you reach to find someone who talks about those two wars?
4. John F. Kennedy was killed by LBJ and a secret team to prevent him from getting us out of Vietnam
That's more than a liberal assumption, that's a conspiracy theory
9. No terrorists, al-Qaeda leaders, or weapons of mass destruction were hiding in Iraq
Were there WMDs
10. Women had no rights in early America
There's a habit of living in terms of today when judging the past with more liberal people. There's also a habit of thinking of the past when judging today amongst a lot of conservatives. Women had tons of rights compared to the rest of the world back then.
11. Restrictions on the right to vote were meant to keep voter participation low
Not entirely untrue.
16. Columbus was responsible for killing millions of Indians
Never heard it about Columbus. Heard it about the Pilgrims though.
19. Abraham Lincoln only freed the slaves to beef up his troop strength
I don't think it was his only reason
21. The 1950s were dull and boring and created a generation of conformists in the workplace and home
I wasn't there. I know I would've hated it though.
24. Bill Clinton was impeached over sex
That is a lie.
26. Muslim terrorists are poor and uneducated and hate us because we support Israel
I think the majority are poor and uneducated and are told to hate us because we support Israel amongst other things. If they were rich and educated, a lot of them wouldn't have gone into that field of work.
27. The news media is objective, fair and balanced -- and always has been
I've been told that by libs and conservatives. Hell the conservative posters here used to stand firmly by fox or certain fox personalities.
31. Federal regulators have protected the public's health by identifying harmful products
At some point, somewhere I think they've done the right thing
32. Global warming is a fact -- and it's a man-made, American- driven problem
A chance it is and a chance it isn't
33. The Constitution was the creation of powerful elites protecting their financial interests
Never heard this
36. The "Robber Barons" were only assuaging their guilt with their philanthropy
What makes you think that they weren't.[/b]

I just skipped the things that I never heard of.

I didn't compile this list. The guy named in the quote at the bottom did and he wrote a book about it. I've never heard of most of these...

This list is a gas. Some of it is true, and a lot I've just never heard before. Has this guy ever even met a liberal?

Quote:1. Mikhail Gorbachev, not Ronald Reagan, was responsible for ending the Cold War
Saying it's just Ronald Reagan is just as stupid as saying it's just Gorbachev, who yes did open up markets and personal freedoms which allowed the quick and peaceful eastern bloc revolutions to take place. And it was Carter who drew the Soviets into Afghanistan and laid the groundwork to keep them bogged down for a decade fighting bin Laden (gee sounds familiar).

2. The Founders envisioned a "wall of separation between Church and State," to keep religious influence out of government

"Father of the Constitution" James Madison wrote his great Memorial and Remonstrance that a true religion did not need the support of law; that no person, either believer or non-believer, should be taxed to support a religious institution of any kind; that the best interest of a society required that the minds of men always be wholly free; and that cruel persecutions were the inevitable result of government-established religions. II Writings of James Madison, 183.

Author of the Declaration of Independence Thomas Jefferson wrote, ‘Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments, or burthens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are *13 a departure from the plan of the Holy author of our religion who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either . . .; that to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves, is sinful and tyrannical; that even the forcing him to support this or that teacher of his own religious persuasion, is depriving him of the comfortable liberty of giving his contributions to the particular pastor, whose morals he would make his pattern.'

The ‘establishment of religion’ clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining*16 or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to **512 teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect ‘a wall of separation between Church and State.’ Everson v. Board of Ed. of Ewing Tp., 330 U.S. 1, U.S. 1947, citing Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. 164.

3. The Mexican and Spanish-American Wars were imperialist efforts drummed up by "corporate interests"

Spanish American yes, in fact it's pretty widely accepted Pulitzer and Hearst beat the war drums against Spain to sell newspapers by passing along rumors as facts ("You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war"--Hearst), and business interests were lobbying Congress because the Cuban revolt. I've never heard that complaint about the Mexican American War though.

New York World--forerunner to Fox News:



4. John F. Kennedy was killed by LBJ and a secret team to prevent him from getting us out of Vietnam

This sounds completely made up. And if sounds like anyone, it's Dale Gribble



5. Richard Nixon expanded the Vietnam War

He didn't, good for him.

6. The "Peace Movement" activists were not dupes of the KGB

LOL

7. Ronald Reagan knew "Star Wars" wouldn't work, but wanted to provoke a war with the USSR

I don't think many liberals thought Reagan was trying to provoke a war

8. September 11 was not the work of terrorists -- it was a government conspiracy

A lot of those people are Ron Paul supporters on the far right

9. No terrorists, al-Qaeda leaders, or weapons of mass destruction were hiding in Iraq

This is ridiculous, I'm stopping

10. Women had no rights in early America

11. Restrictions on the right to vote were meant to keep voter participation low

12. Sacco and Vanzetti were innocent -- and wrongly executed

13. Sen. Joseph McCarthy concocted the "Red Scare," and there was nothing to fear from Communist subversives

14. The Rosenbergs were not spies, and were wrongfully executed

15. Lee Harvey Osward shot JFK because he was a deranged maniac -- not because he was a Communist

16. Columbus was responsible for killing millions of Indians

17. The early colonies were intolerant and racist

18. Early America was home to few guns or gun owners

19. Abraham Lincoln only freed the slaves to beef up his troop strength

20. The Scopes Trial proved Darwin was correct -- and that Christians were backward

21. The 1950s were dull and boring and created a generation of conformists in the workplace and home

22. Richard Nixon sent burglars into the Watergate office complex

23. Neither Ronald Reagan's election nor the "Contract with America" proved the triumph of conservative ideas

24. Bill Clinton was impeached over sex

25. George W. Bush was "selected, not elected" in 2000, and votes were stolen on his behalf

26. Muslim terrorists are poor and uneducated and hate us because we support Israel

27. The news media is objective, fair and balanced -- and always has been

28. Native Americans were great environmentalists -- while white settlers destroyed the buffalo

29. The first Thanksgiving took place because the Indians saved the Puritans from their own ineptitude

30. The "Robber Barons" pillaged the land and destroyed the environment

31. Federal regulators have protected the public's health by identifying harmful products

32. Global warming is a fact -- and it's a man-made, American- driven problem

33. The Constitution was the creation of powerful elites protecting their financial interests

34. The Sherman Anti-Trust Act protected the "little guy" and reigned in abuses by "Big Business"

35. The transcontinental railroads would never have been built without government

36. The "Robber Barons" were only assuaging their guilt with their philanthropy

37. The income tax was created to make the rich pay their fair share, and tax cuts only benefit upper income Americans

38. Business failures and tax cuts combined to cause the Great Depression

39. LBJ's Great Society had a positive impact on the poor

40. The decline of the American auto and steel industries was caused by insufficient government support for them

41. The Reagan tax cuts caused massive deficits and national debt

42. History textbooks used in schools are unbiased and not politically correct

"One reality is certain," writes Schweikart. "If those who read history are grounded in truth, bias will reveal itself in no time. And once that happens, the market for politically correct, agenda-driven textbooks will dry up and blow away like the marijuana leaves at Woodstock."