(03-31-2012 01:41 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  If Florida State and Clemson were really interested (and at this point, I don't believe that anymore, but it was possible), then I don't see an advantage to adding Louisville and BYU first. Florida State and Clemson might prefer a 14 or 16 team conference, but they would want the added teams to be teams they are used to playing to help them fit in better in the Big 12. In other words, if you have the Big 12 and those two schools seriously talking, the more likely combination in my opinion (if 14 or 16 were wanted) would be to expand the offer to more ACC schools. If the ACC was really close to losing both Florida State and Clemson, does anyone doubt that Georgia Tech and Miami (FL) would hesitate to follow? If not them, then maybe even Pitt and Maryland.

I think Louisville and BYU make a lot of sense for the Big 12 if it goes back to 12 (which it probably will eventually), but I just don't think it's fits in well together with a move into ACC territory.

Yeah we are of like mind. I don't think Louisville is a huge negative to Florida State or Clemson but I definitely think they think twice about jumping into a Big 12 that expanded to 12 with BYU. Taking BYU means one less spot that can be filled by a former ACC program. If FSU and Clemson do decide to move it isnt with the mentality that they are all that is going to move from the ACC to the Big 12 before this is all over.

They will realize that WVU is not to be left out on their own but why waste a spot on BYU when BYU is simply a last ditch effort should all other reasonable options be lost.

Louisville will just have to be patient.

I believe that BYU is still only toying with the Big 12. Potently FSU and Clemson may decide to make a move and that would make great since with WVU already there and could draw Pitt away from ACC before starting there. But I feel that when the smoke clears for the 12's eastern movement it will be Louisville, Cincinnati, Rutgers and South Florida with maybe Memphis and Uconn or Houston. This would Greatly strengthen the 12's Basketball side as well as adding strength to the football and Baseball sides as well as the Womens Basketball programs. It would strip the BE of it's Current top BB powers outside of the BB only programs. It would eliminate the BE as a Football power. Do I want that to happen, No, but it is a very strong possibility. I enjoy the Beast but I know with the BCS changes that Something and Someone will be broken up whether the BE or the ACC it will happen in the next few years.

(03-31-2012 12:05 PM)3rdandBlunder Wrote:  For ATHLETICS I don't think ANYONE would move. For the MONEY those athletics bring, especially in this economy, I can ABSOLUTELY see schools moving. That research costs money...

If it were just "all about money", then Carolina, Maryland, UVa, Duke/Ga. Tech would be having conversations with the B1G right now. The money to be made would be insane, much more than any supped up Big XII could ever hope to make and more than the SEC will ever see.

(03-31-2012 01:47 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 01:41 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  If Florida State and Clemson were really interested (and at this point, I don't believe that anymore, but it was possible), then I don't see an advantage to adding Louisville and BYU first. Florida State and Clemson might prefer a 14 or 16 team conference, but they would want the added teams to be teams they are used to playing to help them fit in better in the Big 12. In other words, if you have the Big 12 and those two schools seriously talking, the more likely combination in my opinion (if 14 or 16 were wanted) would be to expand the offer to more ACC schools. If the ACC was really close to losing both Florida State and Clemson to the Big 12, does anyone doubt that Georgia Tech and Miami (FL) would hesitate to follow? If not them, then maybe even Pitt and Maryland.

+1000 with the added caveat that was implied but I made explicit.

Cheers,
Neil

Georgia Tech and Miami to a southwestern academic wasteland? I doubt that either would ever consider a move to the Big XII.

(03-31-2012 02:57 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 12:05 PM)3rdandBlunder Wrote:  For ATHLETICS I don't think ANYONE would move. For the MONEY those athletics bring, especially in this economy, I can ABSOLUTELY see schools moving. That research costs money...

If it were just "all about money", then Carolina, Maryland, UVa, Duke/Ga. Tech would be having conversations with the B1G right now. The money to be made would be insane, much more than any supped up Big XII could ever hope to make and more than the SEC will ever see.

Conversations? Conversations happen all the time and go unreported. How do you know these institutions are not having such conversations so should the worst happen they know what options they may have?

I would find individuals negligent in their duties if they havn't had such conversations. Those conversations do not mean these moves will happen. They just mean people in charge are doing their jobs and preparing for any eventualities.

(03-31-2012 03:03 PM)XLance Wrote:  Georgia Tech and Miami to a southwestern academic wasteland? I doubt that either would ever consider a move to the Big XII.

It may not be what they would want to do right now but when domino's start to fall, opinions can change pretty quickly.

If it were all about the money, Carolina would be in the B1G now.

p.s. Mike Slive is not stupid.

(03-31-2012 03:03 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 01:47 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 01:41 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  If Florida State and Clemson were really interested (and at this point, I don't believe that anymore, but it was possible), then I don't see an advantage to adding Louisville and BYU first. Florida State and Clemson might prefer a 14 or 16 team conference, but they would want the added teams to be teams they are used to playing to help them fit in better in the Big 12. In other words, if you have the Big 12 and those two schools seriously talking, the more likely combination in my opinion (if 14 or 16 were wanted) would be to expand the offer to more ACC schools. If the ACC was really close to losing both Florida State and Clemson to the Big 12, does anyone doubt that Georgia Tech and Miami (FL) would hesitate to follow? If not them, then maybe even Pitt and Maryland.

+1000 with the added caveat that was implied but I made explicit.

Cheers,
Neil

Georgia Tech and Miami to a southwestern academic wasteland? I doubt that either would ever consider a move to the Big XII.

In case you missed the overall point, it was that FSU and Clemson wouldn't be considering a move to the Big 12 without taking along the likes of a Miami and GT with them. So the fact that the rumor is either UL and BYU then FSU and Clemson or vice versa, the rumor isn't likely to be true because we aren't hearing FSU, Clemson, Miami, and GT.

Cheers,
Neil

Swaim has been pushing FSU and Clemson hard for months. He's a tool who's riding the obvious conclusion of WVU out of the BE within the year to being some sort of prognosticator. I will give him this, though: he's been steadfast in FSU, Clemson, UL and BYU being added to the Big XII since signing day, and has been pretty adamant that those are the only four.

I just don't buy that they are THAT unhappy with the ACC.

I mean, Clemson had such a huge opportunity this year (thanks to the ACC) but then choked in their BCS Bowl. That was their fault, not the ACC's lack of commitment to FB that some rant about.

The ACC still has Clemson, FSU, Virginia Tech and Miami. All it needs is for a few of them to finally get back to their winning ways and tear up somebody in a BCS bowl or in the MNC game and the conference will be back on track.

Sometimes this board is like the "Twilight Zone." Very little of what is discussed on here is remotely plausible.

(03-31-2012 03:29 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Sometimes this board is like the "Twilight Zone." Very little of what is discussed on here is remotely plausible.

So sayeth God.

(03-31-2012 03:29 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Sometimes this board is like the "Twilight Zone." Very little of what is discussed on here is remotely plausible.

Sad but true.

(03-31-2012 03:37 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 03:29 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Sometimes this board is like the "Twilight Zone." Very little of what is discussed on here is remotely plausible.

Sad but true.

So you old timers here have deigned yourselves the ones to state what conversation is worthy and what isnt? Conversation is conversation and traffic is traffic.

I find it amusing that guys like you and the doc think that a Florida State move is not even remotely plausible.

No one is saying that it is a sure thing but it is certainly "remotely plausible". It is like you guys dont even think about your wording. You just hate these ideas so much and are so full of yourselves that you use wording that is absolute to try and shut down conversation.

If you do not like the way the conversation is going then why post? To try and shut it down? Piss off.

There are all kinds of conversations that go on here that I find silly and pedantic. Conversations that I dont care at all to take part in. I do not make it my business to regularly jump into them and insult everyone that takes part in them like the doctor does as well as you.

(03-31-2012 03:41 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 03:37 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 03:29 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Sometimes this board is like the "Twilight Zone." Very little of what is discussed on here is remotely plausible.

Sad but true.

So you old timers here have deigned yourselves the ones to state what conversation is worthy and what isnt? Conversation is conversation and traffic is traffic.

I find it amusing that guys like you and the doc think that a Florida State move is not even remotely plausible.

No one is saying that it is a sure thing but it is certainly "remotely plausible". It is like you guys dont even think about your wording. You just hate these ideas so much and are so full of yourselves that you use wording that is absolute to try and shut down conversation.

If you do not like the way the conversation is going then why post? To try and shut it down? Piss off.

LOL what... The SEC would swoop up FSU and Clemson before the B12 would even have a chance.

The fact that we're on Page 6 of a thread based partly on a Greg Swaim tweet proves to me how gullible some of y'all are. But hey, have fun in this cesspool. There's a reason why I hardly post here. I just wished people would actually use a bit of common sense on this board.

(03-31-2012 03:46 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 03:41 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 03:37 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 03:29 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Sometimes this board is like the "Twilight Zone." Very little of what is discussed on here is remotely plausible.

Sad but true.

So you old timers here have deigned yourselves the ones to state what conversation is worthy and what isnt? Conversation is conversation and traffic is traffic.

I find it amusing that guys like you and the doc think that a Florida State move is not even remotely plausible.

No one is saying that it is a sure thing but it is certainly "remotely plausible". It is like you guys dont even think about your wording. You just hate these ideas so much and are so full of yourselves that you use wording that is absolute to try and shut down conversation.

If you do not like the way the conversation is going then why post? To try and shut it down? Piss off.

LOL what... The SEC would swoop up FSU and Clemson before the B12 would even have a chance.

The fact that we're on Page 6 of a thread based partly on a Greg Swaim tweet proves to me how gullible some of y'all are. But hey, have fun in this cesspool. There's a reason why I hardly post here. I just wished people would actually use a bit of common sense on this board.

You have reading comprehension issues obviously. I started off MY posting by stating how his line up is way out of wack. Oh but I am posting in a thread started by a posting of what Greg Swaim said so I MUST be a Swaimaholic! Once again you use inflammatory accusations and insults. The tweet simply started a conversation, a conversation that has happened many times but gradually changes as new persons begin to input their thoughts into the brew. I guess you just hate that people are talking about ideas you disagree with. Can't say I will miss you. You havnt added a single thing to this conversation that isnt disrespectful and insulting.

And no it is not set in stone that the SEC would swoop in and take up FSU to stop the Big 12. There have been plenty of quality arguments made as to why the SEC might not do that but anyone that disagrees with you is foolish right?

Why dont you old timers that cant stand anyone disagreeing with you go make your own small circle jerk board if you cant handle a larger population with varying opinions? This is no longer your Big East board yada yada yada, yeah we know. It is not advertised as such either. THIS forum is for conference realignment not Big East realignment.

People are using plenty of common sense, they are actually looking at the whole situation and realizing just how fluid it can actually be. That is something you old timers do not seem to understand.

(03-31-2012 03:46 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 03:41 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 03:37 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 03:29 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Sometimes this board is like the "Twilight Zone." Very little of what is discussed on here is remotely plausible.

Sad but true.

So you old timers here have deigned yourselves the ones to state what conversation is worthy and what isnt? Conversation is conversation and traffic is traffic.

I find it amusing that guys like you and the doc think that a Florida State move is not even remotely plausible.

No one is saying that it is a sure thing but it is certainly "remotely plausible". It is like you guys dont even think about your wording. You just hate these ideas so much and are so full of yourselves that you use wording that is absolute to try and shut down conversation.

If you do not like the way the conversation is going then why post? To try and shut it down? Piss off.

LOL what... The SEC would swoop up FSU and Clemson before the B12 would even have a chance.

The fact that we're on Page 6 of a thread based partly on a Greg Swaim tweet proves to me how gullible some of y'all are. But hey, have fun in this cesspool. There's a reason why I hardly post here. I just wished people would actually use a bit of common sense on this board.

CP, I don't think anyone is saying that Swaim is the best source for all things expansion. I know it seems that he throws "stuff" against the wall to see what sticks. But as the guilty party who originally posted a Swaim tweet, we need to remember that this is just a discussion board.



Between his info and the Luck comments which I included in the OP,
I think there is enough to merit some discussion. No one is saying that all 4 are packing their bags as we speak. But if schools are not having regular conversations about realignment then they should fire their administrators, given the landscape. Clemson, FSU, Louisville, and BYU would all be irresponsible to not have "conversations". Same with any school.

(03-31-2012 03:46 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 03:41 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 03:37 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 03:29 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Sometimes this board is like the "Twilight Zone." Very little of what is discussed on here is remotely plausible.

Sad but true.

So you old timers here have deigned yourselves the ones to state what conversation is worthy and what isnt? Conversation is conversation and traffic is traffic.

I find it amusing that guys like you and the doc think that a Florida State move is not even remotely plausible.

No one is saying that it is a sure thing but it is certainly "remotely plausible". It is like you guys dont even think about your wording. You just hate these ideas so much and are so full of yourselves that you use wording that is absolute to try and shut down conversation.

If you do not like the way the conversation is going then why post? To try and shut it down? Piss off.

LOL what... The SEC would swoop up FSU and Clemson before the B12 would even have a chance.

The fact that we're on Page 6 of a thread based partly on a Greg Swaim tweet proves to me how gullible some of y'all are. But hey, have fun in this cesspool. There's a reason why I hardly post here. I just wished people would actually use a bit of common sense on this board.

Joey, that assumes Florida and South Carolina want FSU and Clemson on board. But that ain't the case...

(03-31-2012 01:10 PM)3rdandBlunder Wrote:  Bit, I don't think you fully heard what I had to say. I think Clemson and FSU will come...as 13 and 14. I do NOT think they'd be 11 and 12. Like I said, they don't NEED to move. They may not be fully happy where they're at, but they're comfortable for now. I think it's going to take the BigXII add Louisville and BYU (or Rutgers, or Cincy, ect), to do the job. Not necessarily because Clemson and FSU are going to rush out the door to play in a conference with Louisville...but making THAT move first does a number of things that will sweeten the pot for Clemson and FSU:

1) It brings The BigXII back up to snuff. The rest of the conference world is at 12+ including, at the moment, the new Big East. Sitting at 10 and throwing darts at the wall does NOT put the BigXII in a position of strength over the 14 school ACC.

2) It brings in the extra revenue with a CCG. People may talk hogwash about how a CCG is or isn't bad for the BigXII, but the truth of the matter is, it's money in the bank from the TV networks.

3) It'll show precisely how much more money they can make going to the BigXII under the BigXII's new TV deal, which is structured to bring in money if schools come on board. The numbers will become clearer once the BigXII is at 12 and with a CCG than they are right now.

4) BYU notwithstanding, Louisville bridges the gap. While I understand the somewhat national appeal is alluring for BYU, quite frankly I wouldn't be surprised if ALL expansion was eastward. As or right now, Clemson and FSU would equally be on an island and isolated from the rest of the BigXII....they'd just be on that island with WVU. Certainly it eases the pains of travel having neighbors close by, but there are still travel pains. The more schools you can put in the east, the happier everyone (in the east) is going to be.

From all accounts, the BigXII has Louisville and BYU in the bag. Making the move to bring us on first will prove to the ACC duo that they are, in fact, taking steps toward stability. That alone is a big deal.

3rd, if the Big XII is planning to go to 14, and FSU and Clemson are part of the mix, they'll probably invite all 4 at once. So I doubt the order will matter all that much...

But I'm going to wait for the official announcement on it before I believe it's going to happen...

Where did I say this was a BE board? And I hardly post on the BEboard and could really care less about BE realignment. And this thread involves future Pitt opponents, which is why I'm here in this thread. I know plenty of FSU folk and they laugh they asses off at this dumb rumor as well.

Unsure exactly where I "insulted" anyone. Maybe you should lighten up and have a sense of humor.

(03-31-2012 03:10 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 03:03 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 01:47 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 01:41 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  If Florida State and Clemson were really interested (and at this point, I don't believe that anymore, but it was possible), then I don't see an advantage to adding Louisville and BYU first. Florida State and Clemson might prefer a 14 or 16 team conference, but they would want the added teams to be teams they are used to playing to help them fit in better in the Big 12. In other words, if you have the Big 12 and those two schools seriously talking, the more likely combination in my opinion (if 14 or 16 were wanted) would be to expand the offer to more ACC schools. If the ACC was really close to losing both Florida State and Clemson to the Big 12, does anyone doubt that Georgia Tech and Miami (FL) would hesitate to follow? If not them, then maybe even Pitt and Maryland.

+1000 with the added caveat that was implied but I made explicit.

Cheers,
Neil

Georgia Tech and Miami to a southwestern academic wasteland? I doubt that either would ever consider a move to the Big XII.

In case you missed the overall point, it was that FSU and Clemson wouldn't be considering a move to the Big 12 without taking along the likes of a Miami and GT with them. So the fact that the rumor is either UL and BYU then FSU and Clemson or vice versa, the rumor isn't likely to be true because we aren't hearing FSU, Clemson, Miami, and GT.

Cheers,
Neil

Thanks on the clarification Neil.
I was just answering the question (does anybody really doubt that Georgia Tech and Miami (Fl) would hesitate to follow?).

(03-31-2012 03:57 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Where did I say this was a BE board? And I hardly post on the BEboard and could really care less about BE realignment. And this thread involves future Pitt opponents, which is why I'm here in this thread. I know plenty of FSU folk and they laugh they asses off at this dumb rumor as well.

Unsure exactly where I "insulted" anyone. Maybe you should lighten up and have a sense of humor.

Plenty of FSU folks who laugh their asses off at this "dumb" rumor have absolutely zero power in whether or not FSU moves in the future. There would be plenty of other FSU folks that would be happy to be in a stronger football conference making more money and receiving more respect around the country.

See, I can make random comments about what people would want too. It doesn't count for jack squat.

Maybe you should lighten up and realize that boards like this are meant for discussion and discussing possibilities falls under what boards like this are meant for.

I have quite a good sense of humor, you dont know me at all but that seriously isnt going to stop you from making more ignorant remarks about me will it?