All he's saying is that ULM's 2010 avg attendance is misleading because the Arkansas game grossly inflates that figure. there were not that many who attended ULM games in Monroe. He's not saying you can't actually average that in years to come.

(03-30-2012 05:01 PM)ncguitarplyr Wrote:  

(03-30-2012 04:45 PM)LFTCajun Wrote:  

(03-30-2012 04:36 PM)ncguitarplyr Wrote:  

(03-30-2012 04:04 PM)panama Wrote:  Wait..what...what? Boone is 101 miles frrom Charlotte and 86 miles from Wiston-Salem....

I'm not implying that because a school is technically located in a market that they CARRY that market (see UNCC, high schools there get more coverage, I know I'm from there). App St gets most of its coverage in Winston Salem, although most of the alumni live in Charlotte.

According to the website you provided, La Tech (in Lincoln Parish) is in the Monroe / El Dorado market.

http://dishuser.org/TVMarkets/Maps/louisiana.gif

Correct (they are barely in it) but wikipedia listed them in Shreveport/Texarkana and thats where I primarily got my numbers from since it was a lot easier. I used that other website if wikipedia didn't have an answer.

The reason is that anybody can put anything they want on wikipedia and make it sound official-----Tech is right up there with WW2 Germany with their propaganda and this just shows how ridiculous it can be----And this is the stuff they send to the NCAA and recruit with--and it is all false!!!!!

(04-01-2012 03:07 PM)featherhead Wrote:  As far as I am aware, the numbers were not false and no one pretended anything. It suggests nothing about what kind of draw ULM is, only what kind of draw ULM was in 2010 with the benefit of the Little Rock game (not a very good one, I would suggest, with only 20K after averaging in over 50K against Arkansas). I agree with your contention that the 2010 figure "is not an actual reflection of what type of attendance to expect from the Warhawks", but I believe that for a much different reason than you do. You argue on the premise that our average attendance is so completely dependent upon the Arkansas series that little if anything can be done now or in the future to sustain or improve the numbers when the series ends after this year. My belief is that kicking attendance up to approximately 20K (2010 with Ark.) from over 15K (2011 without Arkansas and only four wins) is not that unimaginable (it would certainly not top the conference anymore). With improvements in scheduling (Home and homes with Baylor and Tulane and another home game with Grambling), promotions, facilities and maybe even more wins per season, there is no reason to assume that our future draws at home are going to come crashing down when the Arkansas series ends. To suggest that our soon to be completed scheduling arrangement with Arkansas is somehow primary to future attendance figures simply ignores the many other controllable factors in the equation.

--featherhead

So if ULM doesn't need the Arkansas designated home games...why do they do them? Because...they need them.

(04-02-2012 12:12 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  

(04-01-2012 03:07 PM)featherhead Wrote:  As far as I am aware, the numbers were not false and no one pretended anything. It suggests nothing about what kind of draw ULM is, only what kind of draw ULM was in 2010 with the benefit of the Little Rock game (not a very good one, I would suggest, with only 20K after averaging in over 50K against Arkansas). I agree with your contention that the 2010 figure "is not an actual reflection of what type of attendance to expect from the Warhawks", but I believe that for a much different reason than you do. You argue on the premise that our average attendance is so completely dependent upon the Arkansas series that little if anything can be done now or in the future to sustain or improve the numbers when the series ends after this year. My belief is that kicking attendance up to approximately 20K (2010 with Ark.) from over 15K (2011 without Arkansas and only four wins) is not that unimaginable (it would certainly not top the conference anymore). With improvements in scheduling (Home and homes with Baylor and Tulane and another home game with Grambling), promotions, facilities and maybe even more wins per season, there is no reason to assume that our future draws at home are going to come crashing down when the Arkansas series ends. To suggest that our soon to be completed scheduling arrangement with Arkansas is somehow primary to future attendance figures simply ignores the many other controllable factors in the equation.

--featherhead

So if ULM doesn't need the Arkansas designated home games...why do they do them? Because...they need them.

Well, whether we need them or not, we will not have them after this season. Also, we apparently did not need them in 2011, so what is the relevance of your misstatement? Frankly, I am glad the series is ending because it will end some of the cheap shots toward our program. --featherhead

(04-01-2012 07:34 PM)exflash Wrote:  

(03-30-2012 05:01 PM)ncguitarplyr Wrote:  

(03-30-2012 04:45 PM)LFTCajun Wrote:  

(03-30-2012 04:36 PM)ncguitarplyr Wrote:  

(03-30-2012 04:04 PM)panama Wrote:  Wait..what...what? Boone is 101 miles frrom Charlotte and 86 miles from Wiston-Salem....

I'm not implying that because a school is technically located in a market that they CARRY that market (see UNCC, high schools there get more coverage, I know I'm from there). App St gets most of its coverage in Winston Salem, although most of the alumni live in Charlotte.

According to the website you provided, La Tech (in Lincoln Parish) is in the Monroe / El Dorado market.

http://dishuser.org/TVMarkets/Maps/louisiana.gif

Correct (they are barely in it) but wikipedia listed them in Shreveport/Texarkana and thats where I primarily got my numbers from since it was a lot easier. I used that other website if wikipedia didn't have an answer.

The reason is that anybody can put anything they want on wikipedia and make it sound official-----Tech is right up there with WW2 Germany with their propaganda and this just shows how ridiculous it can be----And this is the stuff they send to the NCAA and recruit with--and it is all false!!!!!

Until you are able to properly use your own school's legal name in a sentence, I wouldn't talk about propaganda. Its easy if you try. U-L-L. You know, just like U-L-M. You people in Lafayette have spent the last 20 years trying to get the rest of us call you something that would infer you are the flagship of the University of Louisiana System. You are not, and the use of any name other than ULL is blatant propaganda on your part.

I agree with Transplant. Let's make this easy. For all the Louisiana schools, let's use ULM, ULL or ULR. It's less typing.

(04-02-2012 07:34 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  I agree with Transplant. Let's make this easy. For all the Louisiana schools, let's use ULM, ULL or ULR. It's less typing.

(04-02-2012 07:34 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  I agree with Transplant. Let's make this easy. For all the Louisiana schools, let's use ULM, ULL or ULR. It's less typing.

I think it's gonna be LSU-R very soon...Poor Tech...they tried a power grab in the LSU system and now will be absorbed by the LSU System like it was Akira.

(04-02-2012 08:03 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  

(04-02-2012 07:34 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  I agree with Transplant. Let's make this easy. For all the Louisiana schools, let's use ULM, ULL or ULR. It's less typing.

I think it's gonna be LSU-R very soon...Poor Tech...they tried a power grab in the LSU system and now will be absorbed by the LSU System like it was Akira.

Not only that, we all know that LSU-BR will not tolerate another D-1 football program in the LSU system. Tech might soon be in the GSC with Delta State and Arkansas-Monticello.

(04-02-2012 06:01 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(04-01-2012 07:34 PM)exflash Wrote:  

(03-30-2012 05:01 PM)ncguitarplyr Wrote:  

(03-30-2012 04:45 PM)LFTCajun Wrote:  

(03-30-2012 04:36 PM)ncguitarplyr Wrote:  I'm not implying that because a school is technically located in a market that they CARRY that market (see UNCC, high schools there get more coverage, I know I'm from there). App St gets most of its coverage in Winston Salem, although most of the alumni live in Charlotte.

According to the website you provided, La Tech (in Lincoln Parish) is in the Monroe / El Dorado market.

http://dishuser.org/TVMarkets/Maps/louisiana.gif

Correct (they are barely in it) but wikipedia listed them in Shreveport/Texarkana and thats where I primarily got my numbers from since it was a lot easier. I used that other website if wikipedia didn't have an answer.

The reason is that anybody can put anything they want on wikipedia and make it sound official-----Tech is right up there with WW2 Germany with their propaganda and this just shows how ridiculous it can be----And this is the stuff they send to the NCAA and recruit with--and it is all false!!!!!

Until you are able to properly use your own school's legal name in a sentence, I wouldn't talk about propaganda. Its easy if you try. U-L-L. You know, just like U-L-M. You people in Lafayette have spent the last 20 years trying to get the rest of us call you something that would infer you are the flagship of the University of Louisiana System. You are not, and the use of any name other than ULL is blatant propaganda on your part.

Poly....technical.

(04-01-2012 03:29 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 05:48 PM)featherhead Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 02:24 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 12:43 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  I'm probably just missing your point.

Yes, yes you are.

In 2010, the season for which there attendance of 20,000 was listed, the season in which they had the top attendance in the conference, they played a "home game" in Little Rock against the University of Arkansas. Their season average for the rest of the season was something like 13,000.

Again, I don't have a problem with it from the perspective of meeting NCAA attendance requirements, but it's a false pretense when discussing attendance for the purposes of realignment candidates.

I respect your opinion, but disagree that there is any "false pretense" in being credited with a home game we actually played under a contractual agreement between ourselves and Arkansas. In any case, the point will be moot after this coming season which I understand to be the last in our series under the current arrangement. As another poster has already noted, ULM did make its numbers for the 2011 season without benefit of the Little Rock game, and for 2012 we have Baylor coming to Monroe and some home conference games which should draw well. Also, I was pleased to note we had over 3,000 for our Spring game which might not compare favorably with what your school draws, but seemed to be a pretty good omen for us. --featherhead

It is false pretenses. It's suggesting that ULM is a better draw than they are. It's not an actual reflection of what type of attendance to expect from the Warhawks.

It's a moot point anyway, ULM is nowhere on anyone's radar for addition to C-USA or the mered C-USA/MWC, they aren't leaving the Sunbelt anytime soon.

(04-02-2012 10:37 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  

(04-02-2012 06:01 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(04-01-2012 07:34 PM)exflash Wrote:  

(03-30-2012 05:01 PM)ncguitarplyr Wrote:  

(03-30-2012 04:45 PM)LFTCajun Wrote:  According to the website you provided, La Tech (in Lincoln Parish) is in the Monroe / El Dorado market.

http://dishuser.org/TVMarkets/Maps/louisiana.gif

Correct (they are barely in it) but wikipedia listed them in Shreveport/Texarkana and thats where I primarily got my numbers from since it was a lot easier. I used that other website if wikipedia didn't have an answer.

The reason is that anybody can put anything they want on wikipedia and make it sound official-----Tech is right up there with WW2 Germany with their propaganda and this just shows how ridiculous it can be----And this is the stuff they send to the NCAA and recruit with--and it is all false!!!!!

Until you are able to properly use your own school's legal name in a sentence, I wouldn't talk about propaganda. Its easy if you try. U-L-L. You know, just like U-L-M. You people in Lafayette have spent the last 20 years trying to get the rest of us call you something that would infer you are the flagship of the University of Louisiana System. You are not, and the use of any name other than ULL is blatant propaganda on your part.

Poly....technical.

South...western.

Oh look... another thread devolved into the Louisiana name game...

(03-31-2012 06:56 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-30-2012 09:15 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-30-2012 04:04 PM)panama Wrote:  Wait..what...what? Boone is 101 miles frrom Charlotte and 86 miles from Wiston-Salem....

Well if you want to be really technical they do fall in the Charlotte DMA.

Really? That's shocking. Atlanta is much much larger and I am pretty sure that there is no town 100 miles away in any direction that is part of our DMA.

Yeah, it is strange. Mobile and Pensacola are only 45 miles away but are considered seperate metropolitan areas.

Mobile MSA - 600,000
Pensacola MSA - 455,000

On top of that the local CBS affiliate WKRG broadcast from Mobile while the local ABC affiliate WEAR broadcast from Pensacola.
The local news coverage is from Gulfport, MS to Ft. Walton Beach, Florida. The distance from Gulfport to Gulf Breeze is 138 miles with Mobile sitting in the Middle.

If you add the Gulfport-Biloxi Metropolitan Statistical Area (246,00) to Mobile and Pensacola you have a minimum population of 1.3 million without adding in the adjacent counties which would push it to 1.5 million excluding the Louisiana parishes which would be in the New Orleans MSA.

Mobile, Alabama is in the center of 1.5 million people living within a 60 miles radius.

So I really do not get the debate about Charlotte or Atlanta markets being viable. What the SBC is looking for is about 40,000 average attendance for every game. I do not see any problem with 40,000 attendance being a problem within 5 years at Ga State or Charlotte. App State would already have that attendance with games against Charlotter and MT.

The only school that I see with a problem is ULM.

(04-02-2012 12:37 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  So I really do not get the debate about Charlotte or Atlanta markets being viable. What the SBC is looking for is about 40,000 average attendance for every game. I do not see any problem with 40,000 attendance being a problem within 5 years at Ga State or Charlotte. App State would already have that attendance with games against Charlotter and MT.

The only school that I see with a problem is ULM.

Now that this thread has been moved to the smack board I'll add a bit more sauce to my comments.

App wouldn't average 40,000 unless they played Chapel Hill and NC State every single home game. App was averaging 16,000 or less in the years before their first National Championship. I doubt the current 25,000 average attendance will improve once they start losing home games to FBS caliber schools. It takes a bit of effort for current App fans to make the trip up the mountain to watch them win every home game. I think they'd be doing well to maintain 25,000 through their first losing seasons in FBS.