(03-24-2012 10:05 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  This thread went as expected.

Yeah what other direction could this have possibly gone? It is funny though to hear message board posters calling a member of the BCS Presidential Oversight Committee butt hurt and an idiot. Normally I don't make those types of comments about a person I know is smarter and more well connected than I am, but maybe that's just me.

The guy made a comment that the Big East isn't a power conference- right in the middle of March Madness when the Big East has done extremely well for itself-once again. That's an idotic comment.

(03-24-2012 11:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The guy made a comment that the Big East isn't a power conference- right in the middle of March Madness when the Big East has done extremely well for itself-once again. That's an idotic comment.

No it isn't. Football wise, the BE isn't a power conference and hasn't been since Miami and Va Tech left. Don't compare apples to oranges.

(03-24-2012 11:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The guy made a comment that the Big East isn't a power conference- right in the middle of March Madness when the Big East has done extremely well for itself-once again. That's an idotic comment.

What the guy said:

The President of Tulane University Wrote:If you look at the Big East now, the Big East is no more than the old Conference USA.

Every school in the Big East with the exception of Rutgers and UConn will have come from Conference USA and the Mountain West.

From that statement, he's pretty obviously not talking about basketball.

Quote: My view is that the Big East is not a power conference, and anyone who thinks they are doesn’t know athletics.

Since he's talking about football, what is wrong with his statement?

he NEVER said just talking about football...... Show me the quote where he said just football. He was trying to slam the ENTIRE big east- not just football..

(03-24-2012 10:05 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  This thread went as expected.

You are obviously "butt-hurt".

(03-25-2012 01:01 AM)stever20 Wrote:  he NEVER said just talking about football...... Show me the quote where he said just football. He was trying to slam the ENTIRE big east- not just football..

He was asked "does Tulane belong in a power conference like the Big East..." in a follow up question to a statement about how disappointed he is with football. He is talking about football. It is ludicrous to say that the Big East is not one of the best basketball conferences in the nation.

(03-25-2012 01:01 AM)stever20 Wrote:  he NEVER said just talking about football...... Show me the quote where he said just football. He was trying to slam the ENTIRE big east- not just football..

Tulanes University President Wrote:Every school in the Big East with the exception of Rutgers and UConn will have come from Conference USA and the Mountain West.

So your theory is he doesn't know about Georgetown, Villanova etc.?

(03-25-2012 06:37 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(03-25-2012 01:01 AM)stever20 Wrote:  he NEVER said just talking about football...... Show me the quote where he said just football. He was trying to slam the ENTIRE big east- not just football..

He was asked "does Tulane belong in a power conference like the Big East..." in a follow up question to a statement about how disappointed he is with football. He is talking about football. It is ludicrous to say that the Big East is not one of the best basketball conferences in the nation.

the question before was about the sports department in general.

(03-25-2012 06:45 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-25-2012 01:01 AM)stever20 Wrote:  he NEVER said just talking about football...... Show me the quote where he said just football. He was trying to slam the ENTIRE big east- not just football..

Tulanes University President Wrote:Every school in the Big East with the exception of Rutgers and UConn will have come from Conference USA and the Mountain West.

So your theory is he doesn't know about Georgetown, Villanova etc.?

My theory is that he's trying to selectivly trying to ignore things- to say that the entire Big East isn't a power conference and not just the football part. To say that it's just the football would say that the Big East is superior to the alliance in every other sport. It's obvious that he's trying like heck to not say that.

(03-25-2012 07:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-25-2012 06:45 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-25-2012 01:01 AM)stever20 Wrote:  he NEVER said just talking about football...... Show me the quote where he said just football. He was trying to slam the ENTIRE big east- not just football..

Tulanes University President Wrote:Every school in the Big East with the exception of Rutgers and UConn will have come from Conference USA and the Mountain West.

So your theory is he doesn't know about Georgetown, Villanova etc.?

My theory is that he's trying to selectivly trying to ignore things- to say that the entire Big East isn't a power conference and not just the football part. To say that it's just the football would say that the Big East is superior to the alliance in every other sport. It's obvious that he's trying like heck to not say that.

Your theory????? It's not that deep dude. Like most of you realignment (supposed) gurus keep saying, "realignment is about football!" It doesn't take a rocket science to figure out Tulane's President was talking about football. He even makes mention about TCU and Utah moving into a "power conference".

Take a break from the realignment board. You've earned it.

The Big East is not a power conference in football. Got it.

And the ACC is what? Alliance propaganda machine back at work. For someone on the BCS oversight committee, his argument sure holds no backbone. He bases his notion on the fact that so many programs were "once upon a time" in CUSA or MWC. Well smart guy, what about programs like Utah, Oregon, Texas Tech, Arizona, Arizona State who were "once upon a time" in lesser conferences like the Border and WAC? Where are your criticisms of the Pac-10 and Big-12 for selecting these programs? Louisville has been a force, Cincinnati as well, and USF is on the upswing. The fact that they were "once upon a time" in a certain conference doesn't change that any bit. The Big East wasn't crying a river about BC, Miami, and VT after they left and clamouring about how those programs "once upon a time" were in the Big East. You live and let go! But it is what it is, and this guy is butt-hurt that no one wants his sorry athletics program ruining their conference.

Tulane's president wins the "trolling through the media" award.

BE FB has never gotten the respect its deserved even when Miami and Tech were still members. Its likely that many will never find BE FB worthy no matter who is (realistically) part of the membership

Quote:The other thing I’ve seen is that the parity is getting much better even between the power conferences and all the rest. When I was fighting the fight back in 2003 around the BCS, the Boise States, the TCUs, the Utahs were never thought of in the same breath as the power conferences. Now, they’re all joining the power conferences because they’ve proved their way in football.

This shows he really has no idea what he's talking about. The sentences prior, he blasts the Big East for not being a power conference, and here he mentions Boise "joining a power conference."

It's also contradictory to state that parity is getting better between AQ and non-AQ because the better teams are joining the power conferences. That doesn't make for more parity - it increases disparity. Now the non-AQs will have a more difficult time because their former stronger programs have left. The gap between the haves and have-nots is increasing. It's tantamount to saying that giving more first round picks to the playoff teams in the NFL and leaving more 7th-round picks to the 2-14 teams increases parity. That is just patently false.

Unless Tulane is truly in line for a spot in the Big XII as rumored, this whole interview is pandering to the locals. What crap.

(03-24-2012 10:48 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I don't get this conference USA agenda to push that the Big East is not part of the Big Six anymore. West Virginia was a big loss but Syracuse and Pit.....For Boise, Temple, UCF, Houston, SMU, SDSU, and Memphis? Boise matches up with what West Virginia has done, Temple is better than Syracuse, and anyone who watched last years bowl game can say SMU will wipe the floor with Pitt.

Because the BE wasn't a power league BEFORE the recent changes, despite its arbitrary inclusion in the BCS. If AQ goes away, as it should, they have to compete on their own. If the can, they can.

I understand the agenda of the sunbelt here...it's to its benefit to pull C-USA/Alliance into its space instead of the Alliance trying to invade the BE's space. The problem is that the Alliance has far higher profile universities than the sunbelt, and that's been the sunbelt's challenge since day 1 and will continue to be.
The BE, on the other hand, has better teams than the Alliance right now, but does not have higher profile Universities. Nor does the BE have any institutions left with a long history of great football. The Alliance is certainly behind the BE right now, but, given a level playing field, heck yes they can compete and should try to compete.

But basketball does matter. Louisville is a MUCH higher profile university than ANY school in the alliance. UConn same thing. And a LARGE part of that is basketball.

And like was said- love how the ACC is put up on this pedastal like they're special. They are a bunch of crap and everyone knows it. As many bcs losses than all of the non aq's, Big East and Pac 12..... COMBINED!!!

(03-25-2012 04:04 AM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(03-24-2012 10:05 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  This thread went as expected.

You are obviously "butt-hurt".

Yeah I guess I must be too. All these BE fans here have to be smarter than Cowen. What would that guy know about anything?

(03-25-2012 11:04 AM)stever20 Wrote:  But basketball does matter.

Not to Tulane. Not to the lower half of FBS, where they barely have the resources to try to compete in one sport, so they specialize in either football (usually) or basketball. Or just stay mediocre in both.

Quote:Louisville is a MUCH profile university than ANY school in the alliance. UConn same thing. And a LARGE part of that is basketball.

And like was said- love how the ACC is put up on this pedastal like they're special. They are a bunch of crap and everyone knows it. As many bcs losses than all of the non aq's, Big East and Pac 12..... COMBINED!!!

Is there some non-football reason that the ACC might get love and respect, any reason at all? Maybe they're really good in some other sport.
:domokun:

My daughters like emoticons.

(03-25-2012 11:04 AM)stever20 Wrote:  But basketball does matter. Louisville is a MUCH higher profile university than ANY school in the alliance. UConn same thing. And a LARGE part of that is basketball.

And like was said- love how the ACC is put up on this pedastal like they're special. They are a bunch of crap and everyone knows it. As many bcs losses than all of the non aq's, Big East and Pac 12..... COMBINED!!!

How many national titles have the members of the current and future BE won in football? Now how many have the current and future ACC members won? I know you'll try to say that current on the field performance doesn't dictate they are superior, and then I'll ask when current on the field performance actually mattered in all this? This is all about brand names, perception, markets, and actual performance means little to nothing. You are the one sounding butt hurt. Feel free to show me your credentials that make you more qualified and well connected than a member of the BCS Presidential Oversight Committee. I'll be waiting. The butt hurt is strong with you.