NDSU would likely contend for the MAC title immediately. They remind me of App in many ways and, while I think FCS has been watered down dramatically in the past 15 years, their track record is undeniable. Strong, traditional fanbase, state flagship, they’d be a great add for the MAC.

I wonder if they brought a rival with them (like South Dakota State), it would make it more appealing? That was a big selling point for App & Ga Southern to the Sunbelt. We kept our rival and knew they would elevate the belt with us. And for NDSU, SDSU would make the geography much less isolated.

(01-07-2020 02:51 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  

(09-24-2012 11:16 AM)EA3 Wrote:  

(09-24-2012 10:48 AM)westernwilly Wrote:  

(09-24-2012 10:44 AM)lakesbison Wrote:  NDSU = FARGO = 200,000pop plus Minnesota exposure.

Every ticket for NDSU's 20,000 Fargodome was SOLD OUT in 3 hours, the entire season

Oil Money, $1.6 BILLION dollar surplus in the state.

NDSU = Great Football, Would raise MAC's level of play.

Um.....Nope!

What state is North Dakota in anyway?:sly:

Toledo has beaten Michigan
Ohio has beaten Penn St
WMU has beaten Iowa
Ball St has beaten Indiana
NIU has beaten Minnesota
CMU has beaten Michigan St
BGSU has beaten Minnesota
Miami, OH has beaten Northwestern


Those are just the MAC victories over the Big 10 in the last 10 or so years.

Do you see any of our fans thinking that we can raise the Big Ten level of football?

No.

It's called perspective. At best NDSU would be at the middle of the pack in the MAC....most likely one of the bottom 3.

quite possibly the dumbest take on message board history..wow.
NDSU would dominate the MAC day 1, probably why you won't invite them.

You realize how long ago that post was?

NDSU had only 1 title at the time...and the Romney/Obama election hadn't even happened!

...which makes the point that once the program was not a powerhouse and one day eventually, they’ll stop being the powerhouse they are today. It doesn’t make sense to add schools just because they are at the top today. You have to think long term. Would the school improve the conference if the revenue sports were just average? Because that’s what they will be over the long haul, just like every other school.

MAC outsider here, but what would you all think of NDSU as football only, rather than all sports? Maybe JMU as a full time member so that hoops would have 13?

I think you'll find your answer in this thread.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-561282.html

If NDSU wants to move up, they should just go independent like Liberty. I'm not sure why people keep trying to force them on the MAC. They're too far away and would just be another mouth to feed. Besides if they went independent they could keep playing their games on Saturdays instead of midweek.

I would add them on the condition they pay the travel costs of the other MAC teams in all sports to ND. Same offer to UNI and JMU.

The MWC literally did nothing on the field and didn't expand.

The result was a new TV contract with CBS/FOX for $45 mill a year in rights fees. This comes out to 3.75 million per school.

https://themw.com/documents/2020/1/9//MW..._Sheet.pdf

The only thing the MAC has done is upgraded its bowl games for the 2020 cycle to match up with the MWC. What would it take for the MAC to match that TV deal or at least get in the ballpark next time around?

Adding schools doesn't seem required.

(01-10-2020 11:18 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  The MWC literally did nothing on the field and didn't expand.

The result was a new TV contract with CBS/FOX for $45 mill a year in rights fees. This comes out to 3.75 million per school.

https://themw.com/documents/2020/1/9//MW..._Sheet.pdf

The only thing the MAC has done is upgraded its bowl games for the 2020 cycle to match up with the MWC. What would it take for the MAC to match that TV deal or at least get in the ballpark next time around?

Adding schools doesn't seem required.

The MWC has 6 flagship schools and that's not even including Army or Boise State. The MAC has 1. The MWC also is just better at basketball and football as well. Not to mention given their location they provide some nice TV filler for late night TV slots. Realistically the MAC will never catch the MWC.

(01-10-2020 12:37 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(01-10-2020 11:18 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  The MWC literally did nothing on the field and didn't expand.

The result was a new TV contract with CBS/FOX for $45 mill a year in rights fees. This comes out to 3.75 million per school.

https://themw.com/documents/2020/1/9//MW..._Sheet.pdf

The only thing the MAC has done is upgraded its bowl games for the 2020 cycle to match up with the MWC. What would it take for the MAC to match that TV deal or at least get in the ballpark next time around?

Adding schools doesn't seem required.

The MWC has 6 flagship schools and that's not even including Army or Boise State. The MAC has 1. The MWC also is just better at basketball and football as well. Not to mention given their location they provide some nice TV filler for late night TV slots. Realistically the MAC will never catch the MWC.

Agree. They have some really nice football schools.

BTW, NDSU and James Madison play tomorrow in the FCS championship game.

Just saying.

Like one really nice FB school in Boise St.

Ohio has beaten the other top tier MWC in bowls (Utah St, SDSU, Nevada) over the past decade. Ohio is definitely not as good as Boise at any point in time so the Broncos have a big gap over the other 11 members of the MWC.

(05-14-2012 08:12 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 07:56 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  You know what that tells me? That tells me that your university is content with being small. If you were actually growing you would tell me that you accepted large numbers of students, that your on-campus population was exploding. That you weren't half the size of the smallest MAC school.

Don't give me an excuse of some "city enrollment cap". A strong university can influence the city to help them grow, not be at odds with them. If you brought real value to your city, they would want you to grow, not to limit you. It tells me that your university is weak and has no local influence.

They aren't small-time. They are opening a very expensive medical school and they are planning a 50% increase in enrollment over the next 4-5 years. Their website also claims they are the largest and fastest growing Christian University in the world. And yes, their 60,000 online students will have a slight, passive interest in following them and they have the chance to considering their TV network reaches nationally. Nobody spends 2-4 years associated with anything and not develop some sort of attachment.

Their TV Network is larger than CBS Sports Network and as large as NBC Sports Network. Add radio to that. ESPN is covering their games on ESPN3 because somebody wants to see them. (was JMU or UDel?)

- Here is an article from the Mountain West Conference bragging that CBS Sports has 30 million households subscribed (Flames have close to 50 million) http://www.themwc.com/genrel/030209aaa.html

(05-14-2012 07:56 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  It tells me that your university is weak and has no local influence.

No influence? They get a lot of high profile people there. Mitt Romney just gave the commencement speech there last Saturday.

I don't know if Liberty would fit in the MAC, but to say they don't have potential is crazy. They are like the FCS version of Notre Dame or BYU.

Keep in mind Liberty has done all this only since they were founded in 1971 where as most MAC schools had 150 year head start. I wouldn't be surprised that if Liberty found a FBS home that over the next 10 years they would blow right past most MAC schools.

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This is kinda happenin' BTW... And Liberty will out-spend its way right past the CUSA members now with NIL. They could surely pay each player a $50,000 NIL per year like Texas just announced for their lineman. $50k x 85 scholarships is just north of $4 million which is what they pay Hugh Freeze. They can throw that money around all day where the rest of CUSA will not be able to.

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