(03-12-2012 05:06 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-12-2012 05:01 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  If they go 16 I hope they scrap the byes and just make it a mini-NCAA with 2 mini 8 team tournaments at 2 sites, like one is in Greensboro and the other plays in Charlotte and the final can be rotated between the two on a yearly basis, or for something more radical a 6 day tourney with half in NYC and the other half in Atlanta with a final in Greensboro/Charlotte with a day off for travel.

This is also what I proposed when it was first announced that the ACC was expanding with SU and Pitt, although I thought just alternate the champ game between the two sites (Greensboro and NYC) rather than work in another site.

Not sure how the logistics of it all would work out though with fanbases having to make travel plans. Could be a nightmare.

If something like this isn't feasible, the ACC tournament will never be in NYC.

Cheers,
Neil

A mini tourney is appealing. I like the idea of having a group of 7 in DC and another group of 7 in or around Tobacco Road.

(03-09-2012 06:06 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 05:36 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 12:51 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:21 PM)Orange Eagles Wrote:  The Big East board is reporting that the BE and MSG are close to finalizing a 10-year extension for the tournament through 2026. That obviously derails plans for the ACC to cycle NYC into the rotation.

Will there still be ACC tournaments up north? And if so, where? Brooklyn? Newark? Philly? DC?

I have a feeling that the ACC tourney won't be north of D.C. until MSG has an opening. I don't see the ACC brass being willing to take second billing to the BE tourney in New York.

^^^ This ^^^
Big East has to either fold or become irrelevant for ACC to move into MSG.

Or pick up UConn. MSG said they'd go with whatever split had Syracuse and Uconn in it if the BE had split 10 years ago because those 2 schools brought all the fans. I'd think if the ACC had both that playing the ACC tourney in MSG would be a no brainer for both MSG and the ACC. [I'm assuming UConn only comes aboard if ND is #15]

At the risk of reopening the proverbial can of ####, where did that tidbit come from? There has much debate about the NYC market. From what you say, it sounds like MSG is casting its vote for Syracuse and Uconn.

(03-12-2012 12:48 PM)esayem Wrote:  How about we keep it in Greensboro. The weather's much nicer there this time of year.

I'm pretty sure they will continue to play indoors. Weather shouldn't be an issue.

(03-12-2012 07:04 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 06:06 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 05:36 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 12:51 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:21 PM)Orange Eagles Wrote:  The Big East board is reporting that the BE and MSG are close to finalizing a 10-year extension for the tournament through 2026. That obviously derails plans for the ACC to cycle NYC into the rotation.

Will there still be ACC tournaments up north? And if so, where? Brooklyn? Newark? Philly? DC?

I have a feeling that the ACC tourney won't be north of D.C. until MSG has an opening. I don't see the ACC brass being willing to take second billing to the BE tourney in New York.

^^^ This ^^^
Big East has to either fold or become irrelevant for ACC to move into MSG.

Or pick up UConn. MSG said they'd go with whatever split had Syracuse and Uconn in it if the BE had split 10 years ago because those 2 schools brought all the fans. I'd think if the ACC had both that playing the ACC tourney in MSG would be a no brainer for both MSG and the ACC. [I'm assuming UConn only comes aboard if ND is #15]

At the risk of reopening the proverbial can of ####, where did that tidbit come from? There has much debate about the NYC market. From what you say, it sounds like MSG is casting its vote for Syracuse and Uconn.

From the realignment message board over a year ago. When things like a BE split were still being discussed.

(03-08-2012 10:21 PM)Orange Eagles Wrote:  The Big East board is reporting that the BE and MSG are close to finalizing a 10-year extension for the tournament through 2026. That obviously derails plans for the ACC to cycle NYC into the rotation.

Will there still be ACC tournaments up north? And if so, where? Brooklyn? Newark? Philly? DC?

I never thought that the ACC would be able to get MSG. The ACC comish only ever said in New York and in an arena like MSG. At the time it seemed that cuse posters took that to be IN the Garden, disregarding the reality of the BE's long term contract. BE posters from other schools took the comments to mean that the ACC would take a chance on the Barclays in Brooklyn.

(03-12-2012 09:24 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:21 PM)Orange Eagles Wrote:  The Big East board is reporting that the BE and MSG are close to finalizing a 10-year extension for the tournament through 2026. That obviously derails plans for the ACC to cycle NYC into the rotation.

Will there still be ACC tournaments up north? And if so, where? Brooklyn? Newark? Philly? DC?

I never thought that the ACC would be able to get MSG. The ACC comish only ever said in New York and in an arena like MSG. At the time it seemed that cuse posters took that to be IN the Garden, disregarding the reality of the BE's long term contract. BE posters from other schools took the comments to mean that the ACC would take a chance on the Barclays in Brooklyn.

Most ACC posters want it in Greensboro.

Some fans of schools soon to be in the ACC thought NYC would be an option once in a while (they were split between whether that would be MSG or Barclays).

Other fans of schools soon to be in the ACC (like myself) believe MSG would only be in play if the ACC expands in the future with ND and UConn. At that point the scales tip in favor to the ACC over the Big East from MSG's perspective but that still wouldn't mean the ACC conference would do it.

Cheers,
Neil

It will be difficult for the ACC to get into Madison Square Gardens given the Big East is already contracted until 2016. The real benefit to holding the ACC tournament in Madison Square Gardens is the extra media attention you can garner. It would be especially good if the ACC has other products that it can monetize such as a ACC TV network on cable or something on the internet or some other service it could get free publicity for. If the ACC does not try and get any extra money for its member schools by having additional products then the benefit of having a tournament at MSG is not as great. Like it or not, New York is the media center for the country, every major network is there and getting press would be relatively easy.

(03-13-2012 12:37 AM)tj_2009 Wrote:  It will be difficult for the ACC to get into Madison Square Gardens given the Big East is already contracted until 2016. The real benefit to holding the ACC tournament in Madison Square Gardens is the extra media attention you can garner. It would be especially good if the ACC has other products that it can monetize such as a ACC TV network on cable or something on the internet or some other service it could get free publicity for. If the ACC does not try and get any extra money for its member schools by having additional products then the benefit of having a tournament at MSG is not as great. Like it or not, New York is the media center for the country, every major network is there and getting press would be relatively easy.

Again, none of the above matters. The ACC will not play second fiddle to the Big East in NYC. Therefore, imho, they will avoid it until such time that the ACC is the "big dog" there. Which isn't likely to occur until such time (if ever) that they get ND and/or UConn.

I think Orange fans in particular need to realize that could be a long, long ways away, if ever. DC may be the closest we'll get for a while.

Cheers,
Neil

(03-12-2012 09:09 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-12-2012 07:04 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 06:06 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 05:36 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 12:51 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  I have a feeling that the ACC tourney won't be north of D.C. until MSG has an opening. I don't see the ACC brass being willing to take second billing to the BE tourney in New York.

^^^ This ^^^
Big East has to either fold or become irrelevant for ACC to move into MSG.

Or pick up UConn. MSG said they'd go with whatever split had Syracuse and Uconn in it if the BE had split 10 years ago because those 2 schools brought all the fans. I'd think if the ACC had both that playing the ACC tourney in MSG would be a no brainer for both MSG and the ACC. [I'm assuming UConn only comes aboard if ND is #15]

At the risk of reopening the proverbial can of ####, where did that tidbit come from? There has much debate about the NYC market. From what you say, it sounds like MSG is casting its vote for Syracuse and Uconn.

From the realignment message board over a year ago. When things like a BE split were still being discussed.

Thanks!

MSG and the Big East will reach a new agreement soon. According to the New York Post both sides want this, and with session attendances over 20,000 (that is in excess of capacity) even with two Ohio Valley schools being so successful in the Tourney this year. I don't foresee any reason why either side would back out, its the biggest event in the city that week, every year!

Go ahead and split into 4 pods. 2 pods will be short a team for a while. The winner of each pod hosts a mini (pod) tournament. The winner of each pod moves on to the ACC tournament in a neutral city . Pod tourney would be 1 weekend, ACC tourney the next. You must have a decent size venue to host. Something in the mid-teens. Schools with a smaller building could use a different site (like Greensboro, the Garden...)

Assuming pods are geographically based, ticket sales should go up. Shorter travel, bigger rivals, etc. Instead of having 2-game sessions with tickets divided between 14 schools you have 1-game sessions with tickets divided between 2 schools. No more being stuck in the upper deck. That should mean more butts in the seats.

Based on some WAGs I made, this years tourney with Pitt and SU could have had twice as many tickets available. Double the revenue is always good. (I think?)

(03-12-2012 06:28 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  A mini tourney is appealing. I like the idea of having a group of 7 in DC and another group of 7 in or around Tobacco Road.

This may actually be one of the best ideas I've ever seen posted on this website! (OK, this is not the first post to mention it).

Many long-timers have yearned for "the good old days" (before expansion began) when there were only 7 teams in the ACC tournament... This is a chance to recapture the excitement of those days!

Imagine 2 sites, 1 in Charlote (or Atlanta), the other in Washington (or Baltimore, etc.), each with 7 teams. The top seeds would be having a 1st round bye, while the other 6 at each site play on day 1. So you'd have 6 games for TV, and you'd have 2 venues to sell out (7 teams at each venue) instead of dividing tix by 12 or 14.

After playing 2 rounds at those sites, take a day off, move to Greensboro, and play the "ACC Final 4". How hyped up is that? If the ACC does not do this, Swofford really does deserve to be fired!

(03-12-2012 04:07 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-12-2012 12:48 PM)esayem Wrote:  How about we keep it in Greensboro. The weather's much nicer there this time of year.

You are missing the big picture.

No, you are missing the big picture. The ACC exists for two purposes:

1. To cater to UNC's every whim

and

2. To provide as much of an economic boost as possible to the state of NC, even if it costs the ACC money.

The sooner you come to understand this the sooner you'll get these silly thoughts like equitable distribution of postseason tournaments to benefit every state in the ACC.

(03-12-2012 05:09 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-12-2012 04:07 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-12-2012 12:48 PM)esayem Wrote:  How about we keep it in Greensboro. The weather's much nicer there this time of year.

You are missing the big picture.

You are still thinking like a Big East fan. That's OK, we will give you time to adjust.

See?