(03-08-2012 09:38 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 09:33 AM)GaSouthern Wrote:  Personally, I WOULD take GaState but we all know how this story ends, the C-USA will swoop them up and the SunBelt will be left looking for another member, they are not competitive in football (see their game against ODU, a school who started football at the same time)

GaSouthern does have the advantage of a winning tradition and history against teams like WKU, Troy, MTSU, and FIU BUT we would NEVER be one of the first three schools chosen by the SBC. App State, LaTech, TxState and UTSA all make more obvious candidates.

With that said, I hope that we get a honest look and shot at making the jump.

Troy and Southern? what is the fan/rival situation for you guys? I know App State has played Troy/WKU/MTSU before in the last 15 years.

Troy WAS our third biggest rival after MTSU and Furman back in the 80's. They are also one of the only schools to have a winning record against us thanks to them dominating us in the 1930's. (Appy also has a 1 or 2 game lead against us as well)

(03-08-2012 09:47 AM)trojans664 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 09:38 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 09:33 AM)GaSouthern Wrote:  Personally, I WOULD take GaState but we all know how this story ends, the C-USA will swoop them up and the SunBelt will be left looking for another member, they are not competitive in football (see their game against ODU, a school who started football at the same time)

GaSouthern does have the advantage of a winning tradition and history against teams like WKU, Troy, MTSU, and FIU BUT we would NEVER be one of the first three schools chosen by the SBC. App State, LaTech, TxState and UTSA all make more obvious candidates.

With that said, I hope that we get a honest look and shot at making the jump.

Troy and Southern? what is the fan/rival situation for you guys? I know App State has played Troy/WKU/MTSU before in the last 15 years.

Troy is 10-3 all time against Ga Southern. It's been years since we last played though. http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div...onents.php

In our defense, we are 3-2 against Troy in our modern era of football.

I've been banging a drum for Tech and Appy for a long time. Tech's got a long tradition of quality football (similar to a USM). FIU's distance from that area and only having been a member with them for a couple of years may also allow for 'some' perspective here. Tech went to a WAC which was on the upswing with good football being played at Boise, Fresno, Hawai'i, etc. Unfortunately for them the WAC's been decimated by realignment and they burned a bunch of bridges on their way to the WAC [they had a choice to go to a strong WAC or stay and help build the Sun Belt's fledgling football program; what would your school do?].

I am no real fan of Tech nor do I begrudge them for moving to the WAC, they probably could have (and should have) been a bit more humble and appreciative of their time in the Sun Belt...but that goes to character and I'm not in the mood to judge; we've got bigger issues to deal with here.

If Tech does not move to the Alliance then both sides should swallow some pride for the benefit of the whole. I like the strength of Tech's football program and think they'll make this conference much stronger. Maybe this is why WW has moved on and perhaps taken some of this bad-blood baggage with him...let's hope so.

(03-08-2012 09:53 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I've been banging a drum for Tech and Appy for a long time. Tech's got a long tradition of quality football (similar to a USM). FIU's distance from that area and only having been a member with them for a couple of years may also allow for 'some' perspective here. Tech went to a WAC which was on the upswing with good football being played at Boise, Fresno, Hawai'i, etc. Unfortunately for them the WAC's been decimated by realignment and they burned a bunch of bridges on their way to the WAC [they had a choice to go to a strong WAC or stay and help build the Sun Belt's fledgling football program; what would your school do?].

I am no real fan of Tech nor do I begrudge them for moving to the WAC, they probably could have (and should have) been a bit more humble and appreciative of their time in the Sun Belt...but that goes to character and I'm not in the mood to judge; we've got bigger issues to deal with here.

If Tech does not move to the Alliance then both sides should swallow some pride for the benefit of the whole. I like the strength of Tech's football program and think they'll make this conference much stronger. Maybe this is why WW has moved on and perhaps taken some of this bad-blood baggage with him...let's hope so.

Let's not mince words here...saying La Tech and Southern Miss have similar quality football. That is incorrect. Since 2002 Southern Miss has not had a losing season. Since 2002...La Tech has had only 3 winning seasons. That is not a tradition of winning football. Any winning they did was at the 1-AA level. Southern Miss is a charter member of Division 1-A. Southern Miss and La Tech have played 44 games against each other...Southern Miss has won 31 of them. Please do not confuse La Tech's tradition with Southern Miss tradition. They could not be any less like each other.

It will be interesting to see how this goes, the Sun Belt can go west, and pick up a good school in Tx St, or east and pick up App St, or both by increasing the footprint. If the objective is to keep the footprint small, I'd think that moving east would be the best move. In the next 5-10 years, several east coast programs will be "coming of age." Ga State, and Charlotte, while not quite ready now, may be very attractive in time, along with Ga Southern who is moving ahead, but slowly, on its expansion. It would be hard to give up a Tx St though, so the Belt commish is in an interesting spot.

(03-08-2012 09:20 AM)johnnylightnin Wrote:  Not to get into y'all's business, but I always scratched my head when I read all the stuff about GaState. I only spent a short time in GA, but while I was there, it was clear that there were 3 teams with true statewide fan bases: Tech, UGA, and Southern.

The only true statewide fanbase is UGA, saying that Tech has a statewide fanbase is a huge stretch, saying that Southern has one is flatout laughable. Tech is behind several SEC schools as far as fan interest in Georgia goes, Southern is behind about half the SEC and several ACC schools. Mind you, I'm not claiming MT has a statewide fanbase in Tennessee either, but still Georgia Southern has a nice little FCS program 200 miles south of Atlanta. We could do a lot worse than adding Georgia Southern, but they aren't in our top 5, nor should they be.

(03-08-2012 10:20 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 09:53 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I've been banging a drum for Tech and Appy for a long time. Tech's got a long tradition of quality football (similar to a USM). FIU's distance from that area and only having been a member with them for a couple of years may also allow for 'some' perspective here. Tech went to a WAC which was on the upswing with good football being played at Boise, Fresno, Hawai'i, etc. Unfortunately for them the WAC's been decimated by realignment and they burned a bunch of bridges on their way to the WAC [they had a choice to go to a strong WAC or stay and help build the Sun Belt's fledgling football program; what would your school do?].

I am no real fan of Tech nor do I begrudge them for moving to the WAC, they probably could have (and should have) been a bit more humble and appreciative of their time in the Sun Belt...but that goes to character and I'm not in the mood to judge; we've got bigger issues to deal with here.

If Tech does not move to the Alliance then both sides should swallow some pride for the benefit of the whole. I like the strength of Tech's football program and think they'll make this conference much stronger. Maybe this is why WW has moved on and perhaps taken some of this bad-blood baggage with him...let's hope so.

Let's not mince words here...saying La Tech and Southern Miss have similar quality football. That is incorrect. Since 2002 Southern Miss has not had a losing season. Since 2002...La Tech has had only 3 winning seasons. That is not a tradition of winning football. Any winning they did was at the 1-AA level. Southern Miss is a charter member of Division 1-A. Southern Miss and La Tech have played 44 games against each other...Southern Miss has won 31 of them. Please do not confuse La Tech's tradition with Southern Miss tradition. They could not be any less like each other.

Actually, the FIU fan had it right. Since 1968, Tech is ranked #34 in the nation in winning percentage (.56295) and Southern Miss is ranked #29 (.58415).

Tech and Southern Miss have played each other 18 times since 1968 and USM leads 11-7 and the average score is 20-18. USM won the last 2 games in 2010 and 2011 by a combined score of 32-29.

Southern Miss has won 6 conference championships since 1968 and Tech has won 9. USM won the CUSA championship this year and Tech won the WAC championship this year. (USM beat Tech 19-17 in Hattiesburg this year).

(03-08-2012 11:53 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:20 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 09:53 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I've been banging a drum for Tech and Appy for a long time. Tech's got a long tradition of quality football (similar to a USM). FIU's distance from that area and only having been a member with them for a couple of years may also allow for 'some' perspective here. Tech went to a WAC which was on the upswing with good football being played at Boise, Fresno, Hawai'i, etc. Unfortunately for them the WAC's been decimated by realignment and they burned a bunch of bridges on their way to the WAC [they had a choice to go to a strong WAC or stay and help build the Sun Belt's fledgling football program; what would your school do?].

I am no real fan of Tech nor do I begrudge them for moving to the WAC, they probably could have (and should have) been a bit more humble and appreciative of their time in the Sun Belt...but that goes to character and I'm not in the mood to judge; we've got bigger issues to deal with here.

If Tech does not move to the Alliance then both sides should swallow some pride for the benefit of the whole. I like the strength of Tech's football program and think they'll make this conference much stronger. Maybe this is why WW has moved on and perhaps taken some of this bad-blood baggage with him...let's hope so.

Let's not mince words here...saying La Tech and Southern Miss have similar quality football. That is incorrect. Since 2002 Southern Miss has not had a losing season. Since 2002...La Tech has had only 3 winning seasons. That is not a tradition of winning football. Any winning they did was at the 1-AA level. Southern Miss is a charter member of Division 1-A. Southern Miss and La Tech have played 44 games against each other...Southern Miss has won 31 of them. Please do not confuse La Tech's tradition with Southern Miss tradition. They could not be any less like each other.

Actually, the FIU fan had it right. Since 1968, Tech is ranked #34 in the nation in winning percentage (.56295) and Southern Miss is ranked #29 (.58415).

Tech and Southern Miss have played each other 18 times since 1968 and USM leads 11-7 and the average score is 20-18. USM won the last 2 games in 2010 and 2011 by a combined score of 32-29.

Southern Miss has won 6 conference championships since 1968 and Tech has won 9. USM won the CUSA championship this year and Tech won the WAC championship this year. (USM beat Tech 19-17 in Hattiesburg this year).

You're ability to pick and choose statistics is astounding. You're choices to focus on the very broad as well as the extremely recent tells a nice story, but it's not exactly reality.

If you wanna go broad let's go broad, all time Southern Miss leads the series 31-13. You wanna go recent, let's go recent, in the last ten games Southern Miss is 8-2. Southern Miss has 20 bowl appearances to Tech's 6.

Don't get me wrong, Tech is a fine program, with more football tradition than most of the Sun Belt, but Southern Miss has a markedly better program.

(03-08-2012 12:26 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 11:53 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:20 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 09:53 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I've been banging a drum for Tech and Appy for a long time. Tech's got a long tradition of quality football (similar to a USM). FIU's distance from that area and only having been a member with them for a couple of years may also allow for 'some' perspective here. Tech went to a WAC which was on the upswing with good football being played at Boise, Fresno, Hawai'i, etc. Unfortunately for them the WAC's been decimated by realignment and they burned a bunch of bridges on their way to the WAC [they had a choice to go to a strong WAC or stay and help build the Sun Belt's fledgling football program; what would your school do?].

I am no real fan of Tech nor do I begrudge them for moving to the WAC, they probably could have (and should have) been a bit more humble and appreciative of their time in the Sun Belt...but that goes to character and I'm not in the mood to judge; we've got bigger issues to deal with here.

If Tech does not move to the Alliance then both sides should swallow some pride for the benefit of the whole. I like the strength of Tech's football program and think they'll make this conference much stronger. Maybe this is why WW has moved on and perhaps taken some of this bad-blood baggage with him...let's hope so.

Let's not mince words here...saying La Tech and Southern Miss have similar quality football. That is incorrect. Since 2002 Southern Miss has not had a losing season. Since 2002...La Tech has had only 3 winning seasons. That is not a tradition of winning football. Any winning they did was at the 1-AA level. Southern Miss is a charter member of Division 1-A. Southern Miss and La Tech have played 44 games against each other...Southern Miss has won 31 of them. Please do not confuse La Tech's tradition with Southern Miss tradition. They could not be any less like each other.

Actually, the FIU fan had it right. Since 1968, Tech is ranked #34 in the nation in winning percentage (.56295) and Southern Miss is ranked #29 (.58415).

Tech and Southern Miss have played each other 18 times since 1968 and USM leads 11-7 and the average score is 20-18. USM won the last 2 games in 2010 and 2011 by a combined score of 32-29.

Southern Miss has won 6 conference championships since 1968 and Tech has won 9. USM won the CUSA championship this year and Tech won the WAC championship this year. (USM beat Tech 19-17 in Hattiesburg this year).

You're ability to pick and choose statistics is astounding. You're choices to focus on the very broad as well as the extremely recent tells a nice story, but it's not exactly reality.

If you wanna go broad let's go broad, all time Southern Miss leads the series 31-13. You wanna go recent, let's go recent, in the last ten games Southern Miss is 8-2. Southern Miss has 20 bowl appearances to Tech's 6.

Don't get me wrong, Tech is a fine program, with more football tradition than most of the Sun Belt, but Southern Miss has a markedly better program.

Come on, MTSUPikappa...if you're going to jump on him for his opinion...

I could say CUSA had 6 BOWL games from which to select...the WAC never had more than 3 or 4. Southern had more OPPORTUNITY to go.

Or do I say, well CUSA had 12 teams and the WAC had 10 so it's really a wash?

Or do I say was ANYBODY in CUSA the calibre of Boise State, and to a lesser extent Hawaii and Fresno during the early to mid 2000's?

The point is, this is actually pretty simple. To accurately compare USM and La Tech, we would have to be in the same conference, playing the same competition and have the same opportunity to go to the same bowls. I'm all for that, actually.

In all seriousness though, I personally think (and most Tech folk think) USM has a superior program to Tech's. I have complete, total respect for what they've done against overwhelming odds. They don't whine. They don't make excuses. They roll up their "small market" sleeves and take care of business. It is the type of program I want Louisiana Tech to emulate.

wait...Tech has only been to 6 bowl games in their history? Troy has been to 5 in 10 seasons.

(03-08-2012 12:26 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 11:53 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:20 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 09:53 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I've been banging a drum for Tech and Appy for a long time. Tech's got a long tradition of quality football (similar to a USM). FIU's distance from that area and only having been a member with them for a couple of years may also allow for 'some' perspective here. Tech went to a WAC which was on the upswing with good football being played at Boise, Fresno, Hawai'i, etc. Unfortunately for them the WAC's been decimated by realignment and they burned a bunch of bridges on their way to the WAC [they had a choice to go to a strong WAC or stay and help build the Sun Belt's fledgling football program; what would your school do?].

I am no real fan of Tech nor do I begrudge them for moving to the WAC, they probably could have (and should have) been a bit more humble and appreciative of their time in the Sun Belt...but that goes to character and I'm not in the mood to judge; we've got bigger issues to deal with here.

If Tech does not move to the Alliance then both sides should swallow some pride for the benefit of the whole. I like the strength of Tech's football program and think they'll make this conference much stronger. Maybe this is why WW has moved on and perhaps taken some of this bad-blood baggage with him...let's hope so.

Let's not mince words here...saying La Tech and Southern Miss have similar quality football. That is incorrect. Since 2002 Southern Miss has not had a losing season. Since 2002...La Tech has had only 3 winning seasons. That is not a tradition of winning football. Any winning they did was at the 1-AA level. Southern Miss is a charter member of Division 1-A. Southern Miss and La Tech have played 44 games against each other...Southern Miss has won 31 of them. Please do not confuse La Tech's tradition with Southern Miss tradition. They could not be any less like each other.

Actually, the FIU fan had it right. Since 1968, Tech is ranked #34 in the nation in winning percentage (.56295) and Southern Miss is ranked #29 (.58415).

Tech and Southern Miss have played each other 18 times since 1968 and USM leads 11-7 and the average score is 20-18. USM won the last 2 games in 2010 and 2011 by a combined score of 32-29.

Southern Miss has won 6 conference championships since 1968 and Tech has won 9. USM won the CUSA championship this year and Tech won the WAC championship this year. (USM beat Tech 19-17 in Hattiesburg this year).

You're ability to pick and choose statistics is astounding. You're choices to focus on the very broad as well as the extremely recent tells a nice story, but it's not exactly reality.

If you wanna go broad let's go broad, all time Southern Miss leads the series 31-13. You wanna go recent, let's go recent, in the last ten games Southern Miss is 8-2. Southern Miss has 20 bowl appearances to Tech's 6.

Don't get me wrong, Tech is a fine program, with more football tradition than most of the Sun Belt, but Southern Miss has a markedly better program.

I was simply showing the modern era. I don't put a lot of stock in the games played before the helmet or the forward pass was invented. Southern Miss has been more consistent than Tech as far as winning records go, but over the past 40 years, they are very similar... both in total wins and games against each other.

I have no beef with Tech, and as a neutral observer I always considered USM's program superior to Tech's. They may be "similar" in that they have more in common than Tech does with Alabama or Auburn but USM is a better program.

(03-08-2012 12:41 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 12:26 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 11:53 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:20 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 09:53 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I've been banging a drum for Tech and Appy for a long time. Tech's got a long tradition of quality football (similar to a USM). FIU's distance from that area and only having been a member with them for a couple of years may also allow for 'some' perspective here. Tech went to a WAC which was on the upswing with good football being played at Boise, Fresno, Hawai'i, etc. Unfortunately for them the WAC's been decimated by realignment and they burned a bunch of bridges on their way to the WAC [they had a choice to go to a strong WAC or stay and help build the Sun Belt's fledgling football program; what would your school do?].

I am no real fan of Tech nor do I begrudge them for moving to the WAC, they probably could have (and should have) been a bit more humble and appreciative of their time in the Sun Belt...but that goes to character and I'm not in the mood to judge; we've got bigger issues to deal with here.

If Tech does not move to the Alliance then both sides should swallow some pride for the benefit of the whole. I like the strength of Tech's football program and think they'll make this conference much stronger. Maybe this is why WW has moved on and perhaps taken some of this bad-blood baggage with him...let's hope so.

Let's not mince words here...saying La Tech and Southern Miss have similar quality football. That is incorrect. Since 2002 Southern Miss has not had a losing season. Since 2002...La Tech has had only 3 winning seasons. That is not a tradition of winning football. Any winning they did was at the 1-AA level. Southern Miss is a charter member of Division 1-A. Southern Miss and La Tech have played 44 games against each other...Southern Miss has won 31 of them. Please do not confuse La Tech's tradition with Southern Miss tradition. They could not be any less like each other.

Actually, the FIU fan had it right. Since 1968, Tech is ranked #34 in the nation in winning percentage (.56295) and Southern Miss is ranked #29 (.58415).

Tech and Southern Miss have played each other 18 times since 1968 and USM leads 11-7 and the average score is 20-18. USM won the last 2 games in 2010 and 2011 by a combined score of 32-29.

Southern Miss has won 6 conference championships since 1968 and Tech has won 9. USM won the CUSA championship this year and Tech won the WAC championship this year. (USM beat Tech 19-17 in Hattiesburg this year).

You're ability to pick and choose statistics is astounding. You're choices to focus on the very broad as well as the extremely recent tells a nice story, but it's not exactly reality.

If you wanna go broad let's go broad, all time Southern Miss leads the series 31-13. You wanna go recent, let's go recent, in the last ten games Southern Miss is 8-2. Southern Miss has 20 bowl appearances to Tech's 6.

Don't get me wrong, Tech is a fine program, with more football tradition than most of the Sun Belt, but Southern Miss has a markedly better program.

I was simply showing the modern era. I don't put a lot of stock in the games played before the helmet or the forward pass was invented. Southern Miss has been more consistent than Tech as far as winning records go, but over the past 40 years, they are very similar... both in total wins and games against each other.

I don't see why you don't put stock in games 60 years ago, but you do games 40 years ago. Today's game has about as much in common with the game of the 70's as it does the game of the 50's. Realistically I'd say going back more than 20 years is probably a stretch.

(03-08-2012 12:56 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 12:41 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 12:26 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 11:53 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:20 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  Let's not mince words here...saying La Tech and Southern Miss have similar quality football. That is incorrect. Since 2002 Southern Miss has not had a losing season. Since 2002...La Tech has had only 3 winning seasons. That is not a tradition of winning football. Any winning they did was at the 1-AA level. Southern Miss is a charter member of Division 1-A. Southern Miss and La Tech have played 44 games against each other...Southern Miss has won 31 of them. Please do not confuse La Tech's tradition with Southern Miss tradition. They could not be any less like each other.

Actually, the FIU fan had it right. Since 1968, Tech is ranked #34 in the nation in winning percentage (.56295) and Southern Miss is ranked #29 (.58415).

Tech and Southern Miss have played each other 18 times since 1968 and USM leads 11-7 and the average score is 20-18. USM won the last 2 games in 2010 and 2011 by a combined score of 32-29.

Southern Miss has won 6 conference championships since 1968 and Tech has won 9. USM won the CUSA championship this year and Tech won the WAC championship this year. (USM beat Tech 19-17 in Hattiesburg this year).

You're ability to pick and choose statistics is astounding. You're choices to focus on the very broad as well as the extremely recent tells a nice story, but it's not exactly reality.

If you wanna go broad let's go broad, all time Southern Miss leads the series 31-13. You wanna go recent, let's go recent, in the last ten games Southern Miss is 8-2. Southern Miss has 20 bowl appearances to Tech's 6.

Don't get me wrong, Tech is a fine program, with more football tradition than most of the Sun Belt, but Southern Miss has a markedly better program.

I was simply showing the modern era. I don't put a lot of stock in the games played before the helmet or the forward pass was invented. Southern Miss has been more consistent than Tech as far as winning records go, but over the past 40 years, they are very similar... both in total wins and games against each other.

I don't see why you don't put stock in games 60 years ago, but you do games 40 years ago. Today's game has about as much in common with the game of the 70's as it does the game of the 50's. Realistically I'd say going back more than 20 years is probably a stretch.

I was just looking at that. Tech and USM have both been playing at the same level since Tech went FBS in 1989. USM has out-performed Tech slightly in that time:

Tech vs

AQ: 10-54-2
Non-AQ: 105-79-1
FCS: 14-1

USM vs

AQ: 18-53
Non-AQ: 137-61-1
FCS: 11-0

Head to Head:
USM won 3 out of 4:

14-30 in Ruston
16-13 in Hattiesburg
13-12 in Ruston
19-17 in Hattiesburg

(03-08-2012 01:08 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 12:56 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 12:41 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 12:26 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 11:53 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Actually, the FIU fan had it right. Since 1968, Tech is ranked #34 in the nation in winning percentage (.56295) and Southern Miss is ranked #29 (.58415).

Tech and Southern Miss have played each other 18 times since 1968 and USM leads 11-7 and the average score is 20-18. USM won the last 2 games in 2010 and 2011 by a combined score of 32-29.

Southern Miss has won 6 conference championships since 1968 and Tech has won 9. USM won the CUSA championship this year and Tech won the WAC championship this year. (USM beat Tech 19-17 in Hattiesburg this year).

You're ability to pick and choose statistics is astounding. You're choices to focus on the very broad as well as the extremely recent tells a nice story, but it's not exactly reality.

If you wanna go broad let's go broad, all time Southern Miss leads the series 31-13. You wanna go recent, let's go recent, in the last ten games Southern Miss is 8-2. Southern Miss has 20 bowl appearances to Tech's 6.

Don't get me wrong, Tech is a fine program, with more football tradition than most of the Sun Belt, but Southern Miss has a markedly better program.

I was simply showing the modern era. I don't put a lot of stock in the games played before the helmet or the forward pass was invented. Southern Miss has been more consistent than Tech as far as winning records go, but over the past 40 years, they are very similar... both in total wins and games against each other.

I don't see why you don't put stock in games 60 years ago, but you do games 40 years ago. Today's game has about as much in common with the game of the 70's as it does the game of the 50's. Realistically I'd say going back more than 20 years is probably a stretch.

I was just looking at that. Tech and USM have both been playing at the same level since Tech went FBS in 1989. USM has out-performed Tech slightly in that time:

Tech vs

AQ: 10-54-2
Non-AQ: 105-79-1
FCS: 14-1

USM vs

AQ: 18-53
Non-AQ: 137-61-1
FCS: 11-0

Head to Head:
USM won 3 out of 4:

14-30 in Ruston
16-13 in Hattiesburg
13-12 in Ruston
19-17 in Hattiesburg

Winning seasons:
Tech-9
USM-20

Bowl games:
Tech-4
USM-15

(03-08-2012 01:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:08 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 12:56 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 12:41 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 12:26 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  You're ability to pick and choose statistics is astounding. You're choices to focus on the very broad as well as the extremely recent tells a nice story, but it's not exactly reality.

If you wanna go broad let's go broad, all time Southern Miss leads the series 31-13. You wanna go recent, let's go recent, in the last ten games Southern Miss is 8-2. Southern Miss has 20 bowl appearances to Tech's 6.

Don't get me wrong, Tech is a fine program, with more football tradition than most of the Sun Belt, but Southern Miss has a markedly better program.

I was simply showing the modern era. I don't put a lot of stock in the games played before the helmet or the forward pass was invented. Southern Miss has been more consistent than Tech as far as winning records go, but over the past 40 years, they are very similar... both in total wins and games against each other.

I don't see why you don't put stock in games 60 years ago, but you do games 40 years ago. Today's game has about as much in common with the game of the 70's as it does the game of the 50's. Realistically I'd say going back more than 20 years is probably a stretch.

I was just looking at that. Tech and USM have both been playing at the same level since Tech went FBS in 1989. USM has out-performed Tech slightly in that time:

Tech vs

AQ: 10-54-2
Non-AQ: 105-79-1
FCS: 14-1

USM vs

AQ: 18-53
Non-AQ: 137-61-1
FCS: 11-0

Head to Head:
USM won 3 out of 4:

14-30 in Ruston
16-13 in Hattiesburg
13-12 in Ruston
19-17 in Hattiesburg

Winning seasons:
Tech-9
USM-20

Bowl games:
Tech-4
USM-15

Avg record per season:
Tech: 6-6
USM: 7.5 - 5

(03-08-2012 01:16 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:08 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 12:56 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 12:41 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  I was simply showing the modern era. I don't put a lot of stock in the games played before the helmet or the forward pass was invented. Southern Miss has been more consistent than Tech as far as winning records go, but over the past 40 years, they are very similar... both in total wins and games against each other.

I don't see why you don't put stock in games 60 years ago, but you do games 40 years ago. Today's game has about as much in common with the game of the 70's as it does the game of the 50's. Realistically I'd say going back more than 20 years is probably a stretch.

I was just looking at that. Tech and USM have both been playing at the same level since Tech went FBS in 1989. USM has out-performed Tech slightly in that time:

Tech vs

AQ: 10-54-2
Non-AQ: 105-79-1
FCS: 14-1

USM vs

AQ: 18-53
Non-AQ: 137-61-1
FCS: 11-0

Head to Head:
USM won 3 out of 4:

14-30 in Ruston
16-13 in Hattiesburg
13-12 in Ruston
19-17 in Hattiesburg

Winning seasons:
Tech-9
USM-20

Bowl games:
Tech-4
USM-15

Avg record per season:
Tech: 6-6
USM: 7.5 - 5

Fair enough and when you put it like that, the perception is that things are closer than they actually are, the reality is winning that extra game(and a half?) over a 24 year period is a big difference. That's one program consistently getting it done, 20 winning seasons out of a possible 24, and the other consistently coming up just short 9 winning seasons out of a possible 24.

(03-08-2012 01:33 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:16 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:08 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 12:56 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I don't see why you don't put stock in games 60 years ago, but you do games 40 years ago. Today's game has about as much in common with the game of the 70's as it does the game of the 50's. Realistically I'd say going back more than 20 years is probably a stretch.

I was just looking at that. Tech and USM have both been playing at the same level since Tech went FBS in 1989. USM has out-performed Tech slightly in that time:

Tech vs

AQ: 10-54-2
Non-AQ: 105-79-1
FCS: 14-1

USM vs

AQ: 18-53
Non-AQ: 137-61-1
FCS: 11-0

Head to Head:
USM won 3 out of 4:

14-30 in Ruston
16-13 in Hattiesburg
13-12 in Ruston
19-17 in Hattiesburg

Winning seasons:
Tech-9
USM-20

Bowl games:
Tech-4
USM-15

Avg record per season:
Tech: 6-6
USM: 7.5 - 5

Fair enough and when you put it like that, the perception is that things are closer than they actually are, the reality is winning that extra game(and a half?) over a 24 year period is a big difference. That's one program consistently getting it done, 20 winning seasons out of a possible 24, and the other consistently coming up just short 9 winning seasons out of a possible 24.

The "reality" is that it is close. The "perception" is that is not. But what hurts Tech is that we will win 3 or 4 games sometimes. Southern Miss NEVER does that. They consistently win 7 games.

(03-08-2012 11:53 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:20 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 09:53 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I've been banging a drum for Tech and Appy for a long time. Tech's got a long tradition of quality football (similar to a USM). FIU's distance from that area and only having been a member with them for a couple of years may also allow for 'some' perspective here. Tech went to a WAC which was on the upswing with good football being played at Boise, Fresno, Hawai'i, etc. Unfortunately for them the WAC's been decimated by realignment and they burned a bunch of bridges on their way to the WAC [they had a choice to go to a strong WAC or stay and help build the Sun Belt's fledgling football program; what would your school do?].

I am no real fan of Tech nor do I begrudge them for moving to the WAC, they probably could have (and should have) been a bit more humble and appreciative of their time in the Sun Belt...but that goes to character and I'm not in the mood to judge; we've got bigger issues to deal with here.

If Tech does not move to the Alliance then both sides should swallow some pride for the benefit of the whole. I like the strength of Tech's football program and think they'll make this conference much stronger. Maybe this is why WW has moved on and perhaps taken some of this bad-blood baggage with him...let's hope so.

Let's not mince words here...saying La Tech and Southern Miss have similar quality football. That is incorrect. Since 2002 Southern Miss has not had a losing season. Since 2002...La Tech has had only 3 winning seasons. That is not a tradition of winning football. Any winning they did was at the 1-AA level. Southern Miss is a charter member of Division 1-A. Southern Miss and La Tech have played 44 games against each other...Southern Miss has won 31 of them. Please do not confuse La Tech's tradition with Southern Miss tradition. They could not be any less like each other.

Actually, the FIU fan had it right. Since 1968, Tech is ranked #34 in the nation in winning percentage (.56295) and Southern Miss is ranked #29 (.58415).

Tech and Southern Miss have played each other 18 times since 1968 and USM leads 11-7 and the average score is 20-18. USM won the last 2 games in 2010 and 2011 by a combined score of 32-29.

Southern Miss has won 6 conference championships since 1968 and Tech has won 9. USM won the CUSA championship this year and Tech won the WAC championship this year. (USM beat Tech 19-17 in Hattiesburg this year).

Tech is only 174-174 playing at the highest level of college football. .500 on the dot, mediocre, on the dot.

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