(03-04-2012 12:42 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(03-04-2012 01:06 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-03-2012 10:43 PM)Doogie Wrote:  

(03-03-2012 07:02 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(03-03-2012 05:37 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  Some time ago I said the ACC should "consider" Temple if/when it expands again. I got slammed by everyone except the Temple fans. Now suddenly they are the saviors of the Big East??

Seriously, every single other Big East team, except maybe SMU, would be a better choice for the ACC than Temple.

Temple is a low ceiling choice for the Big East but the truth is that it has very few options available to it and it needs to fill football games next season so Temple it is.

Doc,
How many other schools in the country, nevermind the BE, can claim that their 3 revenue sports - fball, m bball and w bball - over the past 3 seasons(including this one) that they were bowl eligible and both bball teams made the tournament???
You can count them on less than 1 hand and Temple is one of them.

Where does Temple rank in total wins over the past 3 years for total wins in all 3 sports combined?
Again, Temple is in top 5.

Check the sagarins ratings for the last 2-3 years and what school is in the top half of both the old BE and the new BE?

Attendance for fball has increased 83% over the last 5 years and increasing year by year. A winning team in the BE conference can only help.

Bball avg attendance was 8300 this year while playing in the A10. ACC average as a conference in 10-11 was 9936. Avg BE bball was 11082. Again, Temple was close to the ACC avg and less than 3k from the BE average playing an a10 schedule.

And Temple lays right smack in the middle of the ACC footprint in the 4th largest market.

In the last 13 years, on campus students have increased from 3k to 12k with a goal of 16k within the next 2-3 years.

This isnt the Temple of the 90s!

^ Great post. ^

Can't argue with any of it!

Yep. He kicked it right through the uprights!

Wait! What? I'm not at all sure that he did.

First let me say that I have a soft spot for the city of Philadelphia in general and specifically for the Temple Owls. I am definitely not a TU hater. In fact I'm just the opposite. Also, as a fan of another urban school myself, I know all too well how difficult a climb it is for schools like ours to compete in this environment so we're basically on the same side here.

One of my closest friends is a Temple alum and I lived in Philly for two years and went to many Owls games while I lived and worked there (I never had to worry about parking or finding a seat). I even have an "Ill" t-shirt from the Phillies game I attended last year. Hell, I have been to four or five Mummers parades.



Finally, through a mutual friend, I have attended a few of John Chaney's legendary early morning practices and had the opportunity to get to know him a bit and I REALLY liked him a lot. You are probably not going to like this but I have also met Jay Wright a few times and he too is a REALLY good guy.

So I definitely like you batschitt crazy Philadelphians and I like Temple. And make no mistake about it, most Philadelphians are absolutely batschitt crazy - but in a really sweet and endearing way. Your entire culture is EXTRMELY misunderstood, IMHO.

...I still hate the Flyers though. Bobby Clarke was a gutless punk and a terrible human being but that is a debate for a different day.



On this very board I have long advocated the inclusion of Temple, Memphis and East Carolina rather than far flung choices like San Diego State and Boise State. I think geography is slightly overrated in this day and age but it is not a complete non-factor like the Big East is treating it and I firmly believe that in time all of the parties involved will come to regret the Big East's courting of Boise State and San Diego State. I also believe that SMU was a terrible choice for the Big East but they probably became necessary when TCU bailed for the B12. Still, I think SMU was a really poor choice - especially as an all-sports school.

To get back to the main point, if Doogie's point is that the new and improved Temple can FINALLY compete in this version of the Big East - against schools like SMU, Houston, UCF, etc. - then we are in total agreement. I definitely consider Temple to be a peer of schools like that.

However to then take it to the next level and imply that Temple would be a good fit for the ACC, well, that's just plain ridiculous. I'm sorry but that is the truth.

You can say that football attendance is up 83 percent and that sounds great but you are still only averaging about 20K fans per game. That number will likely improve in the Big East but only by a smidgeon. If you ever get to the point where you are consistently averaging 30K fans per game that would be an amazing achievement and you should build a statue of your AD. I can't imagine that ever happening - at least not in any of our lifetimes.



The Owls would be well down the list of ACC expansion candidates and frankly they're not even close to most of the other candidates including Connecticut, Rutgers, South Florida and Central Florida. However of that next tier of teams like Memphis, Houston, East Carolina and SMU, absolutely you are in those schools' class.

Who knows, maybe one day the ACC gets raided AND will decide to go to 20 or so teams. In that scenario perhaps Temple does begin to make some sense. However if we're talking about an intact ACC expanding by two more teams then there is no plausible scenario in which Temple would get the nod over a gaggle of other more qualified programs.

(03-04-2012 05:41 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  To get back to the main point, if Doogie's point is that the new and improved Temple can FINALLY compete in this version of the Big East - against schools like SMU, Houston, UCF, etc. - then we are in total agreement. I definitely consider Temple to be a peer of schools like that.

However to then take it to the next level and imply that Temple would be a good fit for the ACC, well, that's just plain ridiculous. I'm sorry but that is the truth.

Pitt fan,

..."schools like that"?? lmao

That's an ignorant statement in 5,4,3,2,1...

1. #14 ranked Houston routed a ranked Penn State this year and finished 13-1.
2. SMU rolled Pitt in your bowl game.
3. UCF has won two conference championships in the last 4 years and defeated Georgia in the Liberty Bowl in '10.

4. The ACC is absolutely horrible in football... even moreso now with Pitt and Cuse to water down a watered down product.
5. You know nothing about Temple.

I don't know what planet you're living on but I'm sure it's shaped like this....


(See, I know how to post pictures too, baggadooch)

(03-04-2012 06:27 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Pitt fan,

..."schools like that"?? lmao

That's an ignorant statement in 5,4,3,2,1...

1. #14 ranked Houston routed a ranked Penn State this year and finished 13-1.
2. SMU rolled Pitt in your bowl game.
3. UCF has won two conference championships in the last 4 years and defeated Georgia in the Liberty Bowl in '10.

4. The ACC is absolutely horrible in football... even moreso now with Pitt and Cuse to water down a watered down product.
5. You know nothing about Temple.

I don't know what planet you're living on but I'm sure it's shaped like this....

(See, I know how to post pictures too, baggadooch)

You really need to get some thicker skin. Or admit to your trolling.

(03-04-2012 08:33 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  You really need to get some thicker skin. Or admit to your trolling.

(03-04-2012 08:41 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

Wrestling is stupid.

Seriously though, you need thicker skin. Or just admit that you like to push and poke people.

(03-04-2012 08:41 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-04-2012 08:33 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  You really need to get some thicker skin. Or admit to your trolling.

um ok :muttering:

(03-04-2012 08:46 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  um ok :muttering:

What's there to say, really?

What have I said about the ACC, Syracuse, and Pitt, that has not been said in the press?

Does that mean I don't have a thick skin for calling out a Pitt fan that thinks his conference doesn't stink?

I don't think so, chico.



Columnist: Adding Syracuse, Pitt shows ACC cares about basketball, not football

Published: Friday, September 23, 2011, 7:09 AM

The addition of Syracuse and Pittsburgh to the Atlantic Coast Conference hasn't been a hit with everyone.

Orlando Sentinel columnist Mike Bianchi is urging Florida State to do everything it can to jump to the SEC and leave the ACC behind. Why? He says that the additions of Pitt and Syracuse "bring no buzz or excitement to an already tediously mundane football league," and that the Seminoles' football program would be better served in the SEC.

Here's an excerpt:

Did somebody forget to tell the ACC that these were supposed to be football "super conferences" and not football "pooper scooper conferences"?

Pitt and Syracuse? That massive clicking sound you will hear soon is TV viewers across the country switching from the ACC Game of the Week between Syracuse and North Carolina State to a rerun of a PBS documentary on "The Plight of the Ring-billed Sandpiper."

Question: How long until the ACC TV package moves from ESPN to Comedy Central?

This guy has a thick skin, just saying whats the point of that gif.

chico...

(03-04-2012 06:27 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Pitt fan,

..."schools like that"?? lmao

That's an ignorant statement in 5,4,3,2,1...

1. #14 ranked Houston routed a ranked Penn State this year and finished 13-1.
2. SMU rolled Pitt in your bowl game.
3. UCF has won two conference championships in the last 4 years and defeated Georgia in the Liberty Bowl in '10.

4. The ACC is absolutely horrible in football... even moreso now with Pitt and Cuse to water down a watered down product.
5. You know nothing about Temple.

I don't know what planet you're living on but I'm sure it's shaped like this....

(See, I know how to post pictures too, baggadooch)

Yeah, you got me. All of the aforementioned schools are awesome and my school totally sucks. Also, economic realities play absolutely no role in any of these discussions. Therefore UCF > Georgia, Houston > Penn State and SMU > Pitt.

Good points. It all makes so much more sense when you put it that way.

However, for consistency's sake, using the same methodology, Florida International > UCF, Tulsa > Houston and of course Navy > SMU.

It all makes perfect sense now.

What are you, in third grade?



Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, there's a reason why Pitt and Syracuse were invited into the ACC and WVU was subsequently invited to join the B12 while the rest of the teams mentioned are positively over the moon about being included in C-USA 3.0.

Believe me when I tell you that I don't mean to be disrespectful but I will insist that at some point reality has to become a part of the discussion.

Also, please cease with the professional wrestling garbage? That makes this whole thing seem so much dorkier than it needs to seem. Why don't we turn down the dorkiness factor a notch or two and instead talk about something like Dungeons & Dragons, Harry Potter or My Little Pony, okay Mean Gene?

(03-04-2012 09:34 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  What's there to say, really?

What have I said about the ACC, Syracuse, and Pitt, that has not been said in the press?

Does that mean I don't have a thick skin for calling out a Pitt fan that thinks his conference doesn't stink?

I don't think so, chico.



Columnist: Adding Syracuse, Pitt shows ACC cares about basketball, not football

Published: Friday, September 23, 2011, 7:09 AM

The addition of Syracuse and Pittsburgh to the Atlantic Coast Conference hasn't been a hit with everyone.

Orlando Sentinel columnist Mike Bianchi is urging Florida State to do everything it can to jump to the SEC and leave the ACC behind. Why? He says that the additions of Pitt and Syracuse "bring no buzz or excitement to an already tediously mundane football league," and that the Seminoles' football program would be better served in the SEC.

Here's an excerpt:

Did somebody forget to tell the ACC that these were supposed to be football "super conferences" and not football "pooper scooper conferences"?

Pitt and Syracuse? That massive clicking sound you will hear soon is TV viewers across the country switching from the ACC Game of the Week between Syracuse and North Carolina State to a rerun of a PBS documentary on "The Plight of the Ring-billed Sandpiper."

Question: How long until the ACC TV package moves from ESPN to Comedy Central?

Even UCF fans don't take Bianchi seriously.

Anyway, every conference gets ripped in the media. This isn't the first time the ACC has been ripped, it won't be the last. Even the mighty SEC gets called out. Times change and shift happens.

(03-04-2012 05:41 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(03-04-2012 12:42 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(03-04-2012 01:06 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-03-2012 10:43 PM)Doogie Wrote:  

(03-03-2012 07:02 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Seriously, every single other Big East team, except maybe SMU, would be a better choice for the ACC than Temple.

Temple is a low ceiling choice for the Big East but the truth is that it has very few options available to it and it needs to fill football games next season so Temple it is.

Doc,
How many other schools in the country, nevermind the BE, can claim that their 3 revenue sports - fball, m bball and w bball - over the past 3 seasons(including this one) that they were bowl eligible and both bball teams made the tournament???
You can count them on less than 1 hand and Temple is one of them.

Where does Temple rank in total wins over the past 3 years for total wins in all 3 sports combined?
Again, Temple is in top 5.

Check the sagarins ratings for the last 2-3 years and what school is in the top half of both the old BE and the new BE?

Attendance for fball has increased 83% over the last 5 years and increasing year by year. A winning team in the BE conference can only help.

Bball avg attendance was 8300 this year while playing in the A10. ACC average as a conference in 10-11 was 9936. Avg BE bball was 11082. Again, Temple was close to the ACC avg and less than 3k from the BE average playing an a10 schedule.

And Temple lays right smack in the middle of the ACC footprint in the 4th largest market.

In the last 13 years, on campus students have increased from 3k to 12k with a goal of 16k within the next 2-3 years.

This isnt the Temple of the 90s!

^ Great post. ^

Can't argue with any of it!

Yep. He kicked it right through the uprights!

Wait! What? I'm not at all sure that he did.

First let me say that I have a soft spot for the city of Philadelphia in general and specifically for the Temple Owls. I am definitely not a TU hater. In fact I'm just the opposite. Also, as a fan of another urban school myself, I know all too well how difficult a climb it is for schools like ours to compete in this environment so we're basically on the same side here.

One of my closest friends is a Temple alum and I lived in Philly for two years and went to many Owls games while I lived and worked there (I never had to worry about parking or finding a seat). I even have an "Ill" t-shirt from the Phillies game I attended last year. Hell, I have been to four or five Mummers parades.



Finally, through a mutual friend, I have attended a few of John Chaney's legendary early morning practices and had the opportunity to get to know him a bit and I REALLY liked him a lot. You are probably not going to like this but I have also met Jay Wright a few times and he too is a REALLY good guy.

So I definitely like you batschitt crazy Philadelphians and I like Temple. And make no mistake about it, most Philadelphians are absolutely batschitt crazy - but in a really sweet and endearing way. Your entire culture is EXTRMELY misunderstood, IMHO.

...I still hate the Flyers though. Bobby Clarke was a gutless punk and a terrible human being but that is a debate for a different day.



On this very board I have long advocated the inclusion of Temple, Memphis and East Carolina rather than far flung choices like San Diego State and Boise State. I think geography is slightly overrated in this day and age but it is not a complete non-factor like the Big East is treating it and I firmly believe that in time all of the parties involved will come to regret the Big East's courting of Boise State and San Diego State. I also believe that SMU was a terrible choice for the Big East but they probably became necessary when TCU bailed for the B12. Still, I think SMU was a really poor choice - especially as an all-sports school.

To get back to the main point, if Doogie's point is that the new and improved Temple can FINALLY compete in this version of the Big East - against schools like SMU, Houston, UCF, etc. - then we are in total agreement. I definitely consider Temple to be a peer of schools like that.

However to then take it to the next level and imply that Temple would be a good fit for the ACC, well, that's just plain ridiculous. I'm sorry but that is the truth.

You can say that football attendance is up 83 percent and that sounds great but you are still only averaging about 20K fans per game. That number will likely improve in the Big East but only by a smidgeon. If you ever get to the point where you are consistently averaging 30K fans per game that would be an amazing achievement and you should build a statue of your AD. I can't imagine that ever happening - at least not in any of our lifetimes.



The Owls would be well down the list of ACC expansion candidates and frankly they're not even close to most of the other candidates including Connecticut, Rutgers, South Florida and Central Florida. However of that next tier of teams like Memphis, Houston, East Carolina and SMU, absolutely you are in those schools' class.

Who knows, maybe one day the ACC gets raided AND will decide to go to 20 or so teams. In that scenario perhaps Temple does begin to make some sense. However if we're talking about an intact ACC expanding by two more teams then there is no plausible scenario in which Temple would get the nod over a gaggle of other more qualified programs.

WTF... Hey doc, are you okay??? I like Temple and I hope they become a good football program, but to compare them to Houston is absurd.

(03-04-2012 09:52 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I don't mean to be disrespectful.

You just completely discredited yourself right there. Your earlier post was completely an attempt to be disrespectful. It was meant to put Pitt on this pedestal, while making the claim that Temple is still in the gutter.

All I said is that recent quantitative evidence (W's and L's) contradicts your thesis. All of your sarcastic rhetoric amounts to nothing. Boise and Houston would have abused Pitt worse than SMU did.

But here's the kicker. As you pointed out, ALL THREE PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN OUTPERFORMING YOURS ON SMALLER BUDGETS. And, that disparity is just about to be addressed with their new conference affiliation. Perhaps it still wont be equal, but the fact that your mediocrity comes at a greater price is no reason to turn up your nose at the nBe, unless you are lifting your nose to avoid smelling the garbage your University marches out to the football field every Saturday.

(03-04-2012 09:52 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Also, please cease with the professional wrestling garbage? That makes this whole thing seem so much dorkier than it needs to seem. Why don't we turn down the dorkiness factor a notch or two and instead talk about something like Dungeons & Dragons, Harry Potter or My Little Pony, okay Mean Gene?

I'll tell you what. I will cease with the Professional wrestling garbage when you remove the "Dr." from your username. You are a joke.

Whatever, Nacho Libro. The Big East rulz and the ACC droolz! Just whatever you do, please, please, please don't put me in one of your dreaded figure four leg locks!

(03-04-2012 10:24 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Whatever, Nacho Libro. The Big East rulz and the ACC droolz! Just whatever you do, please, please, please don't put me in one of your dreaded figure four leg locks!

LMAO! I can stoop to your level..

Doc, Doc, Doc,
from 'Pitt'.

At least you can say that you came from a pitt. And, ever since that day, you haven't had 'it'.

OHHHHH...

(03-04-2012 05:41 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(03-04-2012 12:42 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(03-04-2012 01:06 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-03-2012 10:43 PM)Doogie Wrote:  

(03-03-2012 07:02 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Seriously, every single other Big East team, except maybe SMU, would be a better choice for the ACC than Temple.

Temple is a low ceiling choice for the Big East but the truth is that it has very few options available to it and it needs to fill football games next season so Temple it is.

Doc,
How many other schools in the country, nevermind the BE, can claim that their 3 revenue sports - fball, m bball and w bball - over the past 3 seasons(including this one) that they were bowl eligible and both bball teams made the tournament???
You can count them on less than 1 hand and Temple is one of them.

Where does Temple rank in total wins over the past 3 years for total wins in all 3 sports combined?
Again, Temple is in top 5.

Check the sagarins ratings for the last 2-3 years and what school is in the top half of both the old BE and the new BE?

Attendance for fball has increased 83% over the last 5 years and increasing year by year. A winning team in the BE conference can only help.

Bball avg attendance was 8300 this year while playing in the A10. ACC average as a conference in 10-11 was 9936. Avg BE bball was 11082. Again, Temple was close to the ACC avg and less than 3k from the BE average playing an a10 schedule.

And Temple lays right smack in the middle of the ACC footprint in the 4th largest market.

In the last 13 years, on campus students have increased from 3k to 12k with a goal of 16k within the next 2-3 years.

This isnt the Temple of the 90s!

^ Great post. ^

Can't argue with any of it!

Yep. He kicked it right through the uprights!

Wait! What? I'm not at all sure that he did.

First let me say that I have a soft spot for the city of Philadelphia in general and specifically for the Temple Owls. I am definitely not a TU hater. In fact I'm just the opposite. Also, as a fan of another urban school myself, I know all too well how difficult a climb it is for schools like ours to compete in this environment so we're basically on the same side here.

One of my closest friends is a Temple alum and I lived in Philly for two years and went to many Owls games while I lived and worked there (I never had to worry about parking or finding a seat). I even have an "Ill" t-shirt from the Phillies game I attended last year. Hell, I have been to four or five Mummers parades.



Finally, through a mutual friend, I have attended a few of John Chaney's legendary early morning practices and had the opportunity to get to know him a bit and I REALLY liked him a lot. You are probably not going to like this but I have also met Jay Wright a few times and he too is a REALLY good guy.

So I definitely like you batschitt crazy Philadelphians and I like Temple. And make no mistake about it, most Philadelphians are absolutely batschitt crazy - but in a really sweet and endearing way. Your entire culture is EXTRMELY misunderstood, IMHO.

...I still hate the Flyers though. Bobby Clarke was a gutless punk and a terrible human being but that is a debate for a different day.



On this very board I have long advocated the inclusion of Temple, Memphis and East Carolina rather than far flung choices like San Diego State and Boise State. I think geography is slightly overrated in this day and age but it is not a complete non-factor like the Big East is treating it and I firmly believe that in time all of the parties involved will come to regret the Big East's courting of Boise State and San Diego State. I also believe that SMU was a terrible choice for the Big East but they probably became necessary when TCU bailed for the B12. Still, I think SMU was a really poor choice - especially as an all-sports school.

To get back to the main point, if Doogie's point is that the new and improved Temple can FINALLY compete in this version of the Big East - against schools like SMU, Houston, UCF, etc. - then we are in total agreement. I definitely consider Temple to be a peer of schools like that.

However to then take it to the next level and imply that Temple would be a good fit for the ACC, well, that's just plain ridiculous. I'm sorry but that is the truth.

You can say that football attendance is up 83 percent and that sounds great but you are still only averaging about 20K fans per game. That number will likely improve in the Big East but only by a smidgeon. If you ever get to the point where you are consistently averaging 30K fans per game that would be an amazing achievement and you should build a statue of your AD. I can't imagine that ever happening - at least not in any of our lifetimes.



The Owls would be well down the list of ACC expansion candidates and frankly they're not even close to most of the other candidates including Connecticut, Rutgers, South Florida and Central Florida. However of that next tier of teams like Memphis, Houston, East Carolina and SMU, absolutely you are in those schools' class.

Who knows, maybe one day the ACC gets raided AND will decide to go to 20 or so teams. In that scenario perhaps Temple does begin to make some sense. However if we're talking about an intact ACC expanding by two more teams then there is no plausible scenario in which Temple would get the nod over a gaggle of other more qualified programs.

Doc,
No where in my post did I say we should be in the ACC. All I am trying to say is that Temple is a lot more attractive than you think. To say every other BE school is a better candidate is false. I think I present a pretty good case that we would be right there with others - if not better.

While some of this is funny an a lil disturbing at times, I had to split it...

One more thing DOC,
Why dont you post a pic of the stands after the game while youre at it!! The pic you posted was before the game was even started!!!!! the teams werent even on the field warming up!!

Pathetic!!

(03-03-2012 01:31 PM)templefan1 Wrote:  Villanova is scared, and they should be...

It's been about seven years. I still don't think Villanova is scared of Temple. How about you?